Judging Salvation by "Faith" or "Fruits"

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Pilgrimshope

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Only the elect are even born-again.
“Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:34-35‬ ‭

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:19-20‬ ‭


“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him:

he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:1‬ ‭

“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, and the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him,

and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:21-22‬ ‭

“Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: “

“Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, and the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him,

Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”


“as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. ….for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Born again is a concept based on the doctrine of Jesus dying for our sins and us dying with him and being raised up again to a new life sins remitted and well pleasing to God his children in Christ who is the elect person of God . Those who believe the gospel become the elect in him which is what Paul’s talking about regarding predestination and how God has foreknowledge, he’s speaking about those who receive Christ and the gospel and those who will in the future. Not individual people who are chosen that distinction is Jesus alone the elect of God the only way a person becomes “ elect “ is to accept Christ the elect and find out what it means to be “ in Christ “ then they are “born again “ in Christ as Abraham’s blessed seed of promise when the gospel was first preached to Abraham regarding the nations.
 

homwardbound

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#22
“We Love, because God first loved us”

amen look what John was teaching just before saying that in 1 John ….

This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters.

If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but does nothing to help them, how can the love of God be in that person?

Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth. This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence:”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:16-19‬ ‭NIV‬‬
Best, to make sure it is you called to do, or not yet as led by God in Father's Spirit and Truth. There is a time to do and. a time not to do, (Ecclesiastes) still in effect. I see this to not get in Daddy's, PaPa's, Father way, looking great in front of others for rewards from people.
I see that rich man and Lazareth the story in his not giving, not seeing lazareth was placed at his gate to help and feed and he did not selfishly, having more than enough to help, He was called to help.
There is now today, a time this happens today, one, many, a few placed at your gate. Time to be wise as a serpent and know truth, who placed those, them or him at your gate. God sometimes! I have heard, let it be, I, God got this, and that person will learn new, and needs to go through adversities for now, even as you have, that you learned to trust in me, from those troubles that have happened, you think?
Very important to me, to know who planted whatever is put in front of me. Then do as led in love that might even seem as not love to others, God knows each persons motive, even in the good they appear to do, Love to you from Father and Son as Won for you too, Brother\Matthew 10:16-20, Luke 21:14-15
 

Pilgrimshope

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#23
Best, to make sure it is you called to do, or not yet as led by God in Father's Spirit and Truth. There is a time to do and. a time not to do, (Ecclesiastes) still in effect. I see this to not get in Daddy's, PaPa's, Father way, looking great in front of others for rewards from people.
I see that rich man and Lazareth the story in his not giving, not seeing lazareth was placed at his gate to help and feed and he did not selfishly, having more than enough to help, He was called to help.
There is now today, a time this happens today, one, many, a few placed at your gate. Time to be wise as a serpent and know truth, who placed those, them or him at your gate. God sometimes! I have heard, let it be, I, God got this, and that person will learn new, and needs to go through adversities for now, even as you have, that you learned to trust in me, from those troubles that have happened, you think?
Very important to me, to know who planted whatever is put in front of me. Then do as led in love that might even seem as not love to others, God knows each persons motive, even in the good they appear to do, Love to you from Father and Son as Won for you too, Brother\Matthew 10:16-20, Luke 21:14-15
“Best, to make sure it is you called to do, or not yet as led by God in Father's Spirit and Truth. “

every Christian is called to do the things Jesus taught in the gospel bro. That’s what Gods love looks like and sounds like. if we hear the gospel that’s in our bibles we’ll hear his call….and learn his ways and find out where fruit really comes from and what grace really is

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

homwardbound

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“Best, to make sure it is you called to do, or not yet as led by God in Father's Spirit and Truth. “

every Christian is called to do the things Jesus taught in the gospel bro. That’s what Gods love looks like and sounds like. if we hear the gospel that’s in our bibles we’ll hear his call….and learn his ways and find out where fruit really comes from and what grace really is

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Remembering, not my will Father, your will, thank you and then one goes through things, one does not understand, yet continues too praise God anyways. EX: You do right, you know to and you do it, yet troubles happen anyways.
Does one let go, I think not.
And those homeless I did not help as well as those I did help, wha tis up, am I lost. I know I can't feed a hundred, yet at least one gets fed and the Angels rejoice, Wow! woe is me
Thanks a time to do and a time to not do, Ecclesiastes to discern truth over error
 

Pilgrimshope

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Remembering, not my will Father, your will, thank you and then one goes through things, one does not understand, yet continues too praise God anyways. EX: You do right, you know to and you do it, yet troubles happen anyways.
Does one let go, I think not.
And those homeless I did not help as well as those I did help, wha tis up, am I lost. I know I can't feed a hundred, yet at least one gets fed and the Angels rejoice, Wow! woe is me
Thanks a time to do and a time to not do, Ecclesiastes to discern truth over error
“Remembering, not my will Father, your will, “

It’s the things Jesus taught brother that’s gods will

“Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.”
‭‭John‬ ‭7:16-17‬ ‭NIV‬‬
 
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#26
“Remembering, not my will Father, your will, “

It’s the things Jesus taught brother that’s gods will

“Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.”
‭‭John‬ ‭7:16-17‬ ‭NIV‬‬
And that be love, God's love 1 Cor 13:4-7 that only God can do, and for anyone else to do that too. One needs 1 Cor 13:4-7 imputed in them by God. I know I used to do 1 Cor 13:1-3, and I was barren, not having God's born again imputation of 1 Cor 13:4-7
There is no Law against God's Love for us all, thanks as Daddy, PaPa, Father leads in risen Son where freedom is at as talked about in Col 2
Love to you and all