Judas

[rmcgu]

Judas was with Jesus for 3+ years. he witnesses Jesus' ministry, had communion, had personal relationship with Jesus. Given authority to cast out demons, heal the sick.
Stole money and who knows what else. No one suspected him.
Despite knowing that Judas will betray Him, Jesus still washed his feet, called him friend.
What lessons can we learn from all this?
Did Jesus love Judas?
Can’t God not forgive Judas? Did Judas really have a choice? Where is Judas' own place? Why was Judas given the seat of honor during the banquet meal? Satan waited for the 1st bread to be given to Judas before entering him. Was Judas chosen because he was the devil? Why did Judas wanted to sell the oil? Jesus called Judas the Son of Perdition. The Anti Christ is revealed as the Son of Perdition. Does that mean Judas is the Anti Christ?

 

[Deuteronomy]

Can’t God not forgive Judas?

Hello rmcgu, I'm sure that God could and would have forgiven Judas if he had truly repented and sought to be redeemed, forgiven and saved by the Lord Jesus, but he did not.

Did Judas really have a choice?

Sadly (for him), yes, because he made a REALLY BAD one

Where is Judas' own place?

Go "to his own place" (Acts 1:25b), stated less euphemistically, but in a way that is also easier to understand, would be, "to the place of his own choosing" (Pothill, John B. Acts, New American Commentary). Or, as the NIV/NLT both basically put it, "to the place where he belongs".

Judas is referred to as, "the man of sin", "the son of perdition" and "a devil". He is a man who chose to walk the road to perdition, so perdition, then, ~is~ his own place, the place of his own choosing, the place where he belongs! Therefore, his own place is the place of perdition or destruction, the place of eternal damnation, IOW, the Lake of Fire (e.g. Revelation 20:10).

Was Judas chosen because he was the devil?

No, I believe he was chosen because God knew that he would betray His Son. BTW, the Lord called him "a" devil, not "the" devil in John 6:70, just FYI, though interestingly, the HCSB* translation does use "the Devil" instead, as if to say that Judas was Satan himself, even though it's clear that he was not

Why did Judas wanted to sell the oil?[/QUOTE]

Scripture tells us.

John 12​

1 Six days before the Passover Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead. ​

2 So they made Him supper there, and Martha was serving; and Lazarus was one of those reclining at the table with Him. ​

3 Mary then took a pound of very costly perfume of pure nard, anointed the feet of Jesus with it and wiped His feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. ​

4 But Judas Iscariot, one of His disciples, who was intending to betray Him, said, ​

5 “Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?” ​

6 Now he said this, not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief, and as he had the money box, he used to pilfer what was put into it. ​

Jesus called Judas the Son of Perdition. The Anti Christ is revealed as the Son of Perdition. Does that mean Judas is the Anti Christ?

Judas, the son of perdition, betrayed the Lord to the Scribes and Pharisees, then he hung himself and died. The Antichrist, the man of lawlessness and son of destruction (a man who will enter the Temple sometime in the future and declare himself to be "God"), has yet to be revealed, so no, I do not believe that Judas and the Antichrist can be the same person.

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy


*Holman Publishers replaced their HCSB translation with the CSB, and the CSB corrects the HSCB's error in John 6:70 by using "a devil" instead of "the Devil".

 

[Deuteronomy]

Hmm, I'm not sure what happened to the formatting toward to bottom of my last post (where I quoted your question, "Why did Judas want to sell the oil?"), but if you click on "Click to expand..." at the bottom it will open up the rest of my post so that you can read it.

Sorry about that!

~Deuteronomy

 

[GWH]

Judas was with Jesus for 3+ years. he witnesses Jesus' ministry, had communion, had personal relationship with Jesus. Given authority to cast out demons, heal the sick.
Stole money and who knows what else. No one suspected him.
Despite knowing that Judas will betray Him, Jesus still washed his feet, called him friend.
What lessons can we learn from all this?
Did Jesus love Judas?
Can’t God not forgive Judas? Did Judas really have a choice? Where is Judas' own place? Why was Judas given the seat of honor during the banquet meal? Satan waited for the 1st bread to be given to Judas before entering him. Was Judas chosen because he was the devil? Why did Judas wanted to sell the oil? Jesus called Judas the Son of Perdition. The Anti Christ is revealed as the Son of Perdition. Does that mean Judas is the Anti Christ?

Lyrics to the song "Judas":

1. O there’s a bit of Judas in every living man;
Listen to my story, and you will understand.
Chosen by the Master to walk close by His side,
Judas kept his distance until the day He died.

(Refrain) Judas, (Judas,) Judas, You betrayed the Son of Man!
Judas, (Judas,) Judas, //You betrayed the Son of Man!//

2. He robbed Christ of His blessing, pretended to be His friend;
But when the hour of trial came, he turned his back on Him.
The plan was very simple; he merely took a kiss.
What shame on earth could drive a man to do a thing like this?
(Refrain)

3. My friend, if you wonder; my friend, if you don’t know,
Just turn your eyes upon your heart, and the tears will start to flow.
Yes, we need forgiveness, every single man,
Because we’re just like Judas—we’ve betrayed the Son of Man.
(Refrain)

 

[homwardbound]

Judas was with Jesus for 3+ years. he witnesses Jesus' ministry, had communion, had personal relationship with Jesus. Given authority to cast out demons, heal the sick.
Stole money and who knows what else. No one suspected him.
Despite knowing that Judas will betray Him, Jesus still washed his feet, called him friend.
What lessons can we learn from all this?
Did Jesus love Judas?
Can’t God not forgive Judas? Did Judas really have a choice? Where is Judas' own place? Why was Judas given the seat of honor during the banquet meal? Satan waited for the 1st bread to be given to Judas before entering him. Was Judas chosen because he was the devil? Why did Judas wanted to sell the oil? Jesus called Judas the Son of Perdition. The Anti Christ is revealed as the Son of Perdition. Does that mean Judas is the Anti Christ?

I think, Judas did Judas's Job. Jesus per scripture was predicted to be betrayed, Noting when he handed Judas the sop, he said go and do what you must do.

Okay, whether it was to be Judas or someone else, it was Judas! It had to be done, so it was done. Can God forgive Judas, has God forgiven Judas and us all in the shed blood or not? Even Peter who denied God three times, Was, is forgiven by God. Jesus said at the cross when was about to be crucified "Forgive them Father, They know not what they do."

Now we read further and see Judas repented, became sorrowful, tried to undo what he had done, tried to give the money back to the religious leaders
Then hung himself
Where did Judas go? To Hell with Ha Satan or to Spirit prison? In other words, was Judas there in Spirit prison when Jesus arrived as dead in flesh as all mothers there were as well? You know there are to be two witnesses right at least.
So Judas I see there with Jesus in Spirit Prison of Ha Satan. Those, there that have waited for their coming Messiah to come and release them, ( never understood how when or even who, then). Jesus, now there for three days preaching to the Spirits in Prison and Judas there backing up Jesus. Jesus one witness, Judas second, only preaching Father as leader.
God is love and in God there is no darkness, so turn to Father and Son for you to be new by the done work of Son for you too, if have not yet done that, time to do it and stand in. it Col 1:21-23 thank you

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Also if Judas can so easily live among Jesus and the apostles with all the godly power and benefits as @rmcgu has pointed out, then other people like Judas can live among us Christians too.

We live in the very last days, so we have be more aware of them and be on our guard against their betrayal.

 

[rewriter]

Could God have forgiven Judas, of course it was possible. Even on the cross Jesus asked God to forgive those who had put him there because they did not know what they were doing. It is even possible that Judas did not know what he was actually doing. He betrayed Jesus to the temple authorities, people who could do a lot to Jesus, but who could not kill him. If his intention was to get Jesus restrained, away from the crowds that might riot against Rome and get Jesus in trouble as an instigator, he would likely have been devasted that his plan backfired and Jesus was killed anyway. We do not know exactly what Judas was thinking, only what his eventual actions were.

 

[studentoftheword]

Those, there that have waited for their coming Messiah to come and release them, ( never understood how when or even who, then). Jesus, now there for three days preaching to the Spirits in Prison and Judas there backing up Jesus. Jesus one witness, Judas second, only preaching Father as leader.

Folks ---where this person gets what he is saying here from ---I do not know but this is so misinterpreted and so False -----

God used Judas --Judas-had a Purpose -----Judas already was under Satan's rule and God allowed Judas to stay under that rule for His Purpose ----Judas was never meant to repent ----Judas felt guilt and shame for the grievous sin he acted in ---and in his dispair he hung himself ----

Judas NEVER HAD JESUS" BACK -- as homwadrbound has said he did in the post he presented ----

AI
Remorse vs. Repentance: While Judas felt severe regret and "remorse" (Greek: metamelētheis), this did not lead to repentance, which involves turning back to God. Instead, he focused on his own guilt.

Despair: Instead of seeking forgiveness, Judas was consumed by shame, leading to his suicide.


This tells us that Jesus descended into the lower parts of the earth

Ephesians 4:9 AMPC

9 [But He ascended?] Now what can this, He ascended, mean but that He had previously descended from [the heights of] heaven into [the depths], the lower parts of the earth?


So if you do your Research ---you will see that there were 2 regions of Sheol --Hades ----one region was a place of torment and the other was a place of Blessings -----the souls of unbelievers in the Old Testament went to the place of torment ----the Souls of believers went to the place of Blessings -----so the Old Testament Saints Souls went to the Blessed side of Sheol ----- Judas went to the torment side -----not the Blessed side ---

Jesus went to the Blessed side to preach the Gospel of Salvation to the the Old Testament Saints so He could take them to Heaven with them when He ascent to His Father ------Jesus never went to the torment side of Sheol ------

the Blessed side was called Abraham's Bosom --and is now known as Paradise ---as Jesus said to the repented thief on the cross ---You will be with me in Paradise -----

From Bible Hub
Paradise as the Present Abode of the Righteous

Luke 23:43 demonstrates that the souls of those who die in faith are ushered immediately into Paradise, where Christ reigns. There is no hint of purgatorial delay; instead, Jesus’ “today” grounds the doctrine of conscious, blessed fellowship with the Savior after death (Philippians 1:23; 2 Corinthians 5:8).


Today ---we die and are Judged ------according to scripture --




Excellent read here on the aspects of Hell -----Worth the Read Folks

https://bereanbiblesociety.org/hell-sheol-hades-paradise-and-the-grave/

 

[Deuteronomy]

Also if Judas can so easily live among Jesus and the apostles with all the godly power and benefits as @rmcgu has pointed out, then other people like Judas can live among us Christians too.

Hello 2ndTImeIsTheCharm, I agree with you, as I think that knowing that a person like Judas existed does make it easier to believe that there are others like him (to one degree or another) living among us now as believers in the visible church (many of whom sadly, but in all likelihood, believing themselves to be true Christians, instead of what they really are, CINO, Christians In Name Only ).

The folks standing before the Lord at the Great White Throne, in Matthew 7:22-23, come quickly to mind, people who I suspect were considered to be true Christians, even by those who knew them well, their pastors and/or fellow congregants in the local church that they attended, IOW.

The Apostle Paul tells us to examine and test ourselves to make sure that we are truly in the faith .. e.g. 2 Corinthians 13:5 (however "test" and "examine" are present, imperative verbs, which makes these commands more than the one and done kind).

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Hello 2ndTImeIsTheCharm, I agree with you, as I think that knowing that a person like Judas existed does make it easier to believe that there are others like him (to one degree or another) living among us now as believers in the visible church (many of whom sadly, but in all likelihood, believing themselves to be true Christians, instead of what they really are, CINO, Christians In Name Only ).

The folks standing before the Lord at the Great White Throne, in Matthew 7:22-23, come quickly to mind, people who I suspect were considered to be true Christians, even by those who knew them well, their pastors and/or fellow congregants in the local church that they attended, IOW.

The Apostle Paul tells us to examine and test ourselves to make sure that we are truly in the faith .. e.g. 2 Corinthians 13:5 (however "test" and "examine" are present, imperative verbs, which makes these commands more than the one and done kind).

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy

Yeah! That scares me that I might be one of the Judases! That was one of his problems - he never checked himself to see if he was following Jesus for the right or wrong reasons or if he was following Jesus the way Jesus wanted him to.

So there are times when the Lord had to refocus me back to Him, or had me check "the oil in my lamp" and refill it!

 

[Just_A__Follower]

 

[homwardbound]

Folks ---where this person gets what he is saying here from ---I do not know but this is so misinterpreted and so False -----

God used Judas --Judas-had a Purpose -----Judas already was under Satan's rule and God allowed Judas to stay under that rule for His Purpose ----Judas was never meant to repent ----Judas felt guilt and shame for the grievous sin he acted in ---and in his dispair he hung himself ----

Judas NEVER HAD JESUS" BACK -- as homwadrbound has said he did in the post he presented ----

AI
Remorse vs. Repentance: While Judas felt severe regret and "remorse" (Greek: metamelētheis), this did not lead to repentance, which involves turning back to God. Instead, he focused on his own guilt.

Despair: Instead of seeking forgiveness, Judas was consumed by shame, leading to his suicide.


This tells us that Jesus descended into the lower parts of the earth

Ephesians 4:9 AMPC

9 [But He ascended?] Now what can this, He ascended, mean but that He had previously descended from [the heights of] heaven into [the depths], the lower parts of the earth?


So if you do your Research ---you will see that there were 2 regions of Sheol --Hades ----one region was a place of torment and the other was a place of Blessings -----the souls of unbelievers in the Old Testament went to the place of torment ----the Souls of believers went to the place of Blessings -----so the Old Testament Saints Souls went to the Blessed side of Sheol ----- Judas went to the torment side -----not the Blessed side ---

Jesus went to the Blessed side to preach the Gospel of Salvation to the the Old Testament Saints so He could take them to Heaven with them when He ascent to His Father ------Jesus never went to the torment side of Sheol ------

the Blessed side was called Abraham's Bosom --and is now known as Paradise ---as Jesus said to the repented thief on the cross ---You will be with me in Paradise -----

From Bible Hub
Paradise as the Present Abode of the Righteous

Luke 23:43 demonstrates that the souls of those who die in faith are ushered immediately into Paradise, where Christ reigns. There is no hint of purgatorial delay; instead, Jesus’ “today” grounds the doctrine of conscious, blessed fellowship with the Savior after death (Philippians 1:23; 2 Corinthians 5:8).


Today ---we die and are Judged ------according to scripture --

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Excellent read here on the aspects of Hell -----Worth the Read Folks

https://bereanbiblesociety.org/hell-sheol-hades-paradise-and-the-grave/

Thank you, blessed be Father and Son for everyone, Thank you however it all turns out Father, I trust your love for us all through Son to us all
Thank you, Student of the word, bless you.we al have much to learn about the love of God for us all, mostly how to respond d to all
Father forgive them, they know not what they do!