Judas Iscariot will sit in throne and judge Israel?

[User46952]

Matthew 19:28: And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

So, Judas Iscariot is going to be one of them?

 

[Subhumanoidal]

Matthew 19:28: And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

So, Judas Iscariot is going to be one of them?

Wouldn't it be Thomas, not Judas?

 

[Dino246]

Matthias. Acts 1:21-26.

 

[Magenta]

No. To consider Judas a follower of Christ is to deny the words of Jesus, Who called Judas “son of perdition.”

Judas was not saved, but was an unbelieving, unclean devil who betrayed Jesus. (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11)

 

[posthuman]

Matthew 19:28: And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

So, Judas Iscariot is going to be one of them?

is Judas one who followed Him?

 

[JeremiahsCup]

Matthew 19:28: And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

So, Judas Iscariot is going to be one of them?

Matthias. Acts 1:21-26.

This is the correct answer. Judas because he fell by transgression his seat was given by the Lord when the eleven inquired of the Lord and the lot fell upon Matthias. Matthias and also Joseph aka Barsabas, it is noted also were among the followers of Jesus during Jesus' ministry and life which is recorded in the Gospels, and so Matthias is also applicable to the twelve thrones as he followed Jesus during the events of the Gospels.

 

[Magenta]

This is the correct answer. Judas because he fell by transgression his seat was given by the Lord when the eleven inquired of the Lord and the lot fell upon Matthias. Matthias and also Joseph aka Barsabas, it is noted also were among the followers of Jesus during Jesus' ministry and life which is recorded in the Gospels, and so Matthias is also applicable to the twelve thrones as he followed Jesus during the events of the Gospels.

My Bible says Jesus told them to wait. I see nothing about Jesus instructing them to choose someone else.

 

[User46952]

This is the correct answer. Judas because he fell by transgression his seat was given by the Lord when the eleven inquired of the Lord and the lot fell upon Matthias. Matthias and also Joseph aka Barsabas, it is noted also were among the followers of Jesus during Jesus' ministry and life which is recorded in the Gospels, and so Matthias is also applicable to the twelve thrones as he followed Jesus during the events of the Gospels.

Luke 22:
Jesus told that to twelve apostles including Judas.
"Luke 22:14: And when the hour had come He reclined [at the table,] and the apostles with Him."
even He declard that Judas would betray Him.
"Luke 22:21: " But behold, the hand of the one betraying Me is with Me on the table."
after that Jesus told about judging
"Luke 22:30: that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
so it looks like Judas would be one of them?

 

[JeremiahsCup]

My Bible says Jesus told them to wait. I see nothing about Jesus instructing them to choose someone else.

The passage from Acts 1 that Dino cited explains how Matthias was chosen to replace Judas Iscariot.

Luke 22:
Jesus told that to twelve apostles including Judas.
"Luke 22:14: And when the hour had come He reclined [at the table,] and the apostles with Him."
even He declard that Judas would betray Him.
"Luke 22:21: " But behold, the hand of the one betraying Me is with Me on the table."
after that Jesus told about judging
"Luke 22:30: that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
so it looks like Judas would be one of them?

No, Judas Iscariot was a traitor and because he fell away from the Lord the Eleven inquired of the Lord about who should fill his place among the twelve. The Eleven picked out two candidates that had journeyed with them and Jesus in the Gospels. They drew lots and the lot fell upon Matthias. This is recorded in Acts 1 (the verses Dino cites specifically.)

 

[Magenta]

The passage from Acts 1 that Dino cited explains how Matthias was chosen to replace Judas Iscariot.

No, Judas Iscariot was a traitor and because he fell away from the Lord the Eleven inquired of the Lord about who should fill his place among the twelve. The Eleven picked out two candidates that had journeyed with them and Jesus in the Gospels. They drew lots and the lot fell upon Matthias. This is recorded in Acts 1 (the verses Dino cites specifically.)

So? Jesus instructed them to wait, NOT to choose someone to replace Judas.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

So? Jesus instructed them to wait, NOT to choose someone to replace Judas.

Judas Iscariot was always going to be replaced. I guess it will just be easier to post the episode.

Acts: 1:15-26

15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)

16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

 

[Magenta]

Judas Iscariot was always going to be replaced. I guess it will just be easier to post the episode.

Acts: 1:15-26

15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)

16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Jesus chose the original 12, and also chose who replaced the one who betrayed Him. Reiterating what the 11 did in not following Jesus' instruction to them does not change this fact.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

Jesus chose the original 12, and also chose who replaced the one who betrayed Him. Reiterating what the 11 did in not following Jesus' instruction to them does not change this fact.

No, the Eleven did prudently, fulfilling the scriptures and so Lord God, whom they prayed to, chose Matthias to fill the room of Judas Iscariot whom fell away because of his betrayal.

 

[Nehemiah6]

So, Judas Iscariot is going to be one of them?

Obviously not. Why start a provocative thread for no reason?

 

[Magenta]

No, the Eleven did prudently, fulfilling the scriptures and so Lord God, whom they prayed to, chose Matthias to fill the room of Judas Iscariot whom fell away because of his betrayal.

I leave the choosing of the 12th to Jesus, not Peter who three times denied Him and was addressed as Satan. Scripture was fulfilled in God's time, as it always has been.

 

[CS1]

Matthew 19:28: And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

So, Judas Iscariot is going to be one of them?

If that was true then they would not have needed to pick a replacement for Judas

 

[JeremiahsCup]

I leave the choosing of the 12th to Jesus, not Peter who three times denied Him and was addressed as Satan. Scripture was fulfilled in God's time, as it always has been.

Okay, well the Lord chose Matthias to take the room of the traitor and to fill the number of the Twelve in fulfillment of the scriptures as recorded in Acts 1.

 

[Diakonos]

Matthias was chosen by men. Paul was chosen by God.



The fact that he wrote 1/3 of the N.T. should be compelling enough.

 

[tourist]

This is the correct answer. Judas because he fell by transgression his seat was given by the Lord when the eleven inquired of the Lord and the lot fell upon Matthias. Matthias and also Joseph aka Barsabas, it is noted also were among the followers of Jesus during Jesus' ministry and life which is recorded in the Gospels, and so Matthias is also applicable to the twelve thrones as he followed Jesus during the events of the Gospels.

Interestingly, Judas is the only apostle that Jesus called friend. By contrast, Jesus called Peter Satan.

 

[Diakonos]

Interestingly, Judas is the only apostle that Jesus called friend. By contrast, Jesus called Peter Satan.

all the apostles were called Jesus's friends.
“No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you" -John 15:15