Jesus The Jews' Messiah?

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Webers.Home

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Our primary sources for this explanation are "Things To Come" by J. Dwight
Pentecost and "The Coming Prince" by Sir Robert Anderson.

Our point of reference is Daniel 9:25-26 where it's said:

"So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore
and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and
sixty-two weeks. After the sixty-two weeks Messiah will be cut off."

Now; a technicality to be aware of is that those sixty-nine weeks are not
heptads of days, rather, of years; which when added up come to 483.

A further technicality to be aware of is that those 483 years aren't normal
years, rather, they're prophetic years, which are only 360 days apiece
compared to normal years which are roughly 364¼ days apiece.

So, in normal years, the sixty-nine weeks add up to only 477.

Turning to Neh 1:1-2:18, we find our hero depressed and upset because his
home town, the very city where his relatives are buried, was in ruins; its
wall broken down, and its gates ashes. So, with a goodly amount of
butterflies in his stomach, Nehemiah petitioned his boss for a leave of
absence to go and rebuild Jerusalem.

Artaxerxes gave him permission, supported by official memorandums, in the
month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of his reign. So it is in Neh 2 that we
find the only actual Bible record of a royal permit to rebuild the city of
Jerusalem. This, then, is our choice for the beginning of Daniel's prediction.

Fortunately, the date of Artaxerxes reign can be easily and definitely
ascertained-- not from the elaborate investigative treatises of biblical
commentators and prophetic writers; but from ordinary history books.
Artaxerxes-- a.k.a. Artaxerxes 1 --reigned from 465-425 BCE.

According to Nehemiah, the Persian edict, which gave him permission to
rebuild Jerusalem, was issued during the Jewish month of Nisan in the
twentieth year of Artaxerxes. Unfortunately the exact day is not given. It is
very possible the decree was dated the 1st of Nisan; but that's not really
important as long as we come close enough for practical consideration. The
sixty-nine weeks then, within reason, and close enough for our purposes,
will therefore be calculated from the 1st of Nisan 445 BCE.

Counting 477 normal years forward from 445 BC drops us off at 32 CE
which, if correct, becomes the year that Daniel predicted Messiah would be
cut off. That figure appears to be in the ball park; and here's why:

According to Luke 3:1-3, Tiberius was the emperor in Rome when John the
Baptist began his public ministry.

Tiberius' reign spanned 14 CE to 37 CE and according to Luke, John's
ministry began sometime in 29 CE. Precisely on what day Jesus was
baptized by John we don't know for sure, but we do know that he was about
thirty years old at the time. (Luke 3:21-23)

Jesus' own ministry ran about three years before he was cut off. So if we
add 3 to 29 we get 32 CE.

* We're not trying to prove that Jesus was the Messiah predicted by Daniel
9:25-26. We're only explaining why we believe he's a reasonable candidate
due to the fact that his life and times coincide remarkably well with Daniel's
time element.
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Yes, Jesus is Jewish because was born from the family line of David and was raised as a Jewish person. I don't' think that Jewish people and Christians were meant to be separated from each other like they are now.
 

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A Word Of Caution:

If perchance someone out there feels like computing Messiah's first visit on
their own, just be sure to begin your dating with the commission to rebuild
the city of Jerusalem rather than the Temple because those two tasks
weren't taken up simultaneously.
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Yes, Jesus is Jewish because was born from the family line of David and was raised as a Jewish person. I don't' think that Jewish people and Christians were meant to be separated from each other like they are now.
Amen , Of course not. He who was born in Isreal is savior of all Men and made Jew and gentile one kingdom unto God.

“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭49:6-7‬ ‭

he came first to israel preaching the kingdom

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then he sent the same gospel out to all
People after israel rejected and crucified him by his apostles and disciples. One lord and one shepherd for all People beginning at Jerusalem and spread into the world
 

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Unfortunately important genealogies archived in the Temple were lost when
Titus sacked Jerusalem; so that now any man claiming to be Messiah will
have a difficult time establishing his relation to David and the tribe of Judah.

NOTE: Messiah's association with the tribe of Judah was predicted as far
back as Genesis 49:10 which states:

"The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his
feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be."
(cf. Sanhedrin 98b)
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Apparently quite a few people back then were expecting Messiah to show
up; even a Samaritan woman who I would never have guessed would be
familiar with prophecy.

John 4:25 . .The woman said: I know that Messiah (called Christ) is
coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.

* Samaria represented the northern half of David's kingdom. It was
sometimes called Israel whilst the southern half was called Judah.

It was to the Samarians-- a.k.a. Israel --that God said: "You are not my
people, and I will not be your God. (Hosea 1:8-11)
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