Jesus Preached The Good News of the kingdom of Heaven
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so not jesus though right ? Paul preached his own different gospel from the gospel Jesus preached ? And Paul’s saves souls that’s what you’re saying right ?
The gospel of the grace of God has gone out to all the world, been preached to every creature under heaven, and gone to all nations. Question: Is the gospel of the kingdom the same message as the gospel of the grace of God that Paul preached?
Colossians 1:
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
Verse 23 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Romans 16:
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
All the world...
Preached to every creature under heaven...
Made known to all nations...
repeatedly so it is written and taught and expounded upon but johns take is that Jesus preached one gospel only for Jews , and then Paul alone preached a new “ gospel of grace “ that saves us unconditionally because we say Jesus died and rose . That’s the entire and whole gospel to John because Paul said in a letter
“ the first thing I preached to you is that Jesus died for your sins and rose for your justification and you must continue believe this to be saved “ he believes gentiles are saved by this “ grace , that means you don’t have to do anything God said to do to be saved your already saved and can’t ever do anything to “lose your salvstion “ works don’t apply now his message is Paul’s different gospel not Jesus gospel
which is not a gospel at all
He's there. And one day, every knee there shall bow.
John, of course it is not false, but has another meaning to the one you are thinking. Another member once asked this question about this verse and and i replied to it. please see the link below;
https://christianchat.com/threads/post-a-verse.210954/post-5078098
Blessings.
Can you post where Jesus was going around preaching that he died for their sins, was buried, and rose again the third day? That is the gospel unto salvation, yes?
The third heaven...
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.You make it allegory...why? I take it literal...literal force...literal violence.
Like I have done the last two times and you ignored ?
John your arguments go in Circles quoting Joseph prince and you never have y acknowledgement when your shown scripture salvstion can only come through Jesus Christ and the only gospel that can save anyone jesus preached it first the. His apostles preached it and God wotnessed it by the many miracles they all did you aren’t willing or able to acknowledge it watch I’ll show you
“how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, ( Jesus ) and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; ( apostles )
God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?”
Hebrews 2:3-4 KJV
Paul is a part of that he’s a witness of it to e world like all the apostles are but you are t able to acknolwedge anything your argument will be “Paul’s gospel is the true gospel that saved “
This is salvation that saved Paul’s soul and that he preached and shared with others
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:16 KJV
“And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment, ….Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
Luke 7:37, 47-48, 50 KJV
“The gospel of grace “that Paul talks about
“And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
John 1:16-17
a woman saved from her sin of death by grace and truth
“they say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? ….When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.”
John 8:4-5, 10-13 KJV
The only reason Paul was saved is because he first believed the gospel Jesus revealed to him and then shared it with everyone else it’s just astounding to read your positions on salvation
anyways John I’m pretty exhausted by the modern grace distortion of the gospel and we have done this source for two years and it never changes anything I don’t think we share the same faith always just drains my spirit and causes controversy when we discuss the Bible
Rom_1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Rom_10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world
Col 1:4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
Col 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
Col 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
Will believers dwell with Him there for eternity?The third heaven...
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
The third heaven...
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
He knew him well
“After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.”
Revelation 4:1-2 KJV
Amen
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16
this one gospel sent by Jesus from Jerusalem would determine the fate of all humanity paul was a servant witness and apostle of it
“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, (which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: by whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:”
Romans 1:1-5
“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
Acts 28:30-31
Joseph Prince? Don't listen to him or know who he is. Not one verse you shared presented the gospel. Not one. The gospel unto salvation is specifically how Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day.