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1 Peter chapter 1:11 says the Spirit of Christ was in the prophets. The Spirit of Christ could not have been in the prophets had He not pre-existed His birth.
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"The Spirit OF Messiah"
The Spirit that was in Yahshua and the prophets was Father Yahweh's Spirit. Yahshua clearly taught that Father Yahweh and His Spirit was IN him.
The Holy Spirit Is An It
Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
"Jesus IS God!"?
In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God.
And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. That's Jesus!!
Jesus is God.
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Frank,
If I said that the spirit of Frank was in the prophets, you wouldn't say that it was the spirit of the Father. You would say, it's Frank's spirit. In the same way, the spirit of Christ, the spirit of Yeshua the Messiah, was in them.
The Messiah also has authority over the Holy Spirit. So, if this does not suggest His preexistance, then it at least says that He has authority over the Holy Spirit. It would be odd to say that this Spirit is the Father, yet that's all that's left for you to say. Otherwise, the Spirit truly is a person (which is true).
Grace and Love
Yahshua is the SON of FATHER Yahweh
There is one body and one Spirit--just as you were called to one hope when you were CALLED--ONE Master [Yahshua], one faith, ONE Yahweh the FATHER OF ALL, WHO IS OVER ALL and through all AND IN ALL [those who are of that one body] (Ephesians 4:4-6).
Yes, FATHER Yahweh is even over His SON Yahshua, since Yahshua clearly said:
"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I"(Yahchanan [John] 14:28).
Yahshua is the prophesied HUMBLE SERVANT of his and our FATHER Yahweh. Yahshua clearly taught that a student is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master (Mattithyah [Matthew] 10:24).
Yahshua clearly said that the FATHER was IN him:
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves (Yahchanan [John] 14:11).
Yahshua LEARNED OBEDIENCE through suffering:
Though he were a SON, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being MADE PERFECT, he BECAME the author of eternal redemption unto all them that obey him; CALLED of Yahweh an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing you are dull of hearing (Hebrews 5:8-11).
Yahshua is the Chief Apostle:
Therefore, set apart brothers, who SHARE in the heavenly CALLING, fix your thoughts on Yahshua, the Apostle and HIGH priest whom we confess (Hebrews 3:1).
The word 'apostle' means one who is 'sent forth' or 'called out'. Yahshua the SON of FATHER Yahweh most definately is the one whom FATHER Yahweh 'sent forth' and who was 'called out'.
Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
"Jesus IS God!"?
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I observe Father Yahweh's instruction (torah, law) following in the foot steps (WAY) of the so-called "Great Exemplar" Yahshua. No, I do not observe the "Jewish" feast, since I am not a "Jew","Jewish", nor I am I associated with any "Messianic Judaism" organization. I am also not a "Trinitarian", since I do not believe Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word (Scripture) teaches the so-called "Holy Trinity" doctrine. I believe that we are instructed in the so-called "New Testament" to receive our doctrine for reproof and correction and instruction in righteousness from Scripture (FATHER Yahweh's inspired prophetic word). I am non-denominational and believe that we are to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of FATHER Yahweh and believe that Yahshua (FATHER Yahweh's SON) is the spokesman of his and our FATHER Yahweh's word in this last time period as Hebrews 1:1-2 makes perfectly clear.
FATHER Yahweh's Instruction (Torah, Law)
I do take the time out to defend what it is that I believe and this is what I am doing now and have been doing for MANY years now since I came to the knowledge of FATHER Yahweh's truth. MY WEB SITES AND PAGES are ample evidence of the work that I have been doing for MANY years in defending what it is that I believe. "Defending the deity of [the] Lord and [the] God Jesus Christ is [not] priority to me", since I do not believe that Scripture instructs me to "[defend] the deity of [the] Lord and [the] God Jesus Christ".
Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
"Jesus IS God!"?
The so-called "Holy Trinity" is not monotheistic, but is in fact polytheistic, since the word itself conveys the meaning "three", not "one" and nowhere in Scripture from where we are to receive our doctrine for reproof and correction and instruction in righteousness is there such a doctrine taught.
Yahchanan 1:1 does not say "... and the word was Jesus." Father Yahweh's word was made flesh and dwelt [tabernacled] among us THROUGH (BY WAY OF) FATHER Yahweh's SON Yahshua, since Yahshua is the spokesman of his and our Father Yahweh's word in this last time period as Hebrews 1:1-2 makes perfectly clear.
WHO IS THE WORD?
Certainly sounds like and the illustration that jimmydiggs presented certainly conveys "Three Gods" to me!
Yahchanan may not say it, but the gospel of John does.
The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.
The Word is God.
God was made flesh and dwelt among us. Who would that be? Never mind, I already know. It's Jesus!!
Jesus is God
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
No, the glad tidings ["gospel"] of Yahchanan [John] does not say "...and the word was Jesus." The word "God" in your translation is in reference to FATHER Yahweh ["God"] and His word, not to His SON Yahshua. Also, nowhere in Scripture is it ever SAID "Jesus is God" as you have erroneously SAID. You will not find such a QUOTE as this anywhere in Scripture.
In Yahchanan [John] 1:14 when it says "the word", this is also still in reference to FATHER Yahweh's ["God's"] word and not to FATHER Yahweh's ["God's"] SON Yahshua ["Jesus"]. Then it goes on to say that FATHER Yahweh's word "was made flesh". The word "flesh" is in reference to FATHER Yahweh's ["God's"] SON Yahshua. It is quite clear that Yahshua is not FATHER Yahweh's word or Yahchanan [John] would have clearly said in verse 1 "...the word was Yahshua.", but he did not. He clearly said that the word was Yahweh and was giving reference to FATHER Yahweh and His word being with Him in the beginning. Father Yahweh's word was not a pre-existent being that was separate from Him in the beginning. Father Yahweh's word is simply that, His word.
Now, going back to the word "flesh" in verse 14 being Yahshua, it is quite clear that when it says in parenthesis "(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) that this "flesh" is in reference to His SON Yahshua and not to FATHER Yahweh's word, since Yahshua is the only begotten of the FATHER who came in the flesh. Note the following verse in comparison to this:
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Yahshua Messiah as coming IN THE FLESH, have gone out into the world. Any such a person is a deceiver and the anti-Messiah (2 Yahchanan [John] 1:7).
No, this does not say "God was made flesh and dwelt among us." as you have erroneously said. Nowhere in Scripture will you find such a QUOTE as to what you have SAID. This is simply ADDING to the text of Scripture something that is not SAID in the text of Scripture. Note the warning given in Revelation 22:18 about ADDING to the text of FATHER Yahweh's inspired prophetic word:
I WARN EVERYONE who hears the WORDS of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds ANYTHING [ANY OTHER WORDS] to them, Yahweh will add to him the plagues described in this book (Revelation 22:18).
You have clearly ADDED to "the words of the prophecy of this book" by ADDING the words "God was made flesh and dwelt among us." which is never found anywhere in Scripture text as a whole. No one MADE or CREATED Father Yahweh to be flesh! Scripture does not teach that FATHER Yahweh was MADE or came in the flesh, but that His SON Yahshua was MADE or came in the flesh. I would strongly suggest that you heed this warning in not ADDING the words "God was made flesh and dwelt among us." when you clearly know that such a QUOTE is nowhere found in Scripture as a whole. The reason this waring of ADDING A WORD or WORDS to FATHER Yahweh's word is that because when one ADDS A WORD OR WORDS to Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word, they are in turn changing the meaning of the text to correspond with THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING and PRIVATE INTERPRETATION of Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word.
Trust in Yahweh with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight (Proverbs 3:5-6).
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of one's own interpretation (2 Kepha [Peter] 1:20).
You should also take into consideration something else that Yahshua said that shows clearly that he is not his and our FATHER Yahweh's word, but he is in fact the spokesman of his and our FATHER Yahweh's word AND IS HIS SON in this last time period as Hebrews 1:1-2 makes perfectly clear:
"As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to redeem it. There is a Judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him in the last time period. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me COMMANDED ME WHAT TO SAY and how to say it. I know that His command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say" (Yahchanan [John] 12:47-50).
It is quite clear from what Yahshua says here that he is not the word of his and our FATHER Yahweh, but that he is the spokesman of His word in this last time period as Hebrews 1:1-2 makes perfectly clear. FATHER Yahweh did not send (or come) Himself into the world, but sent His SON into the world. Note also that he says "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world ... There is a Judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words ..." Yahshua was clearly saying here that he is not the judge "for the person who hears my words but does not keep them", but that it is his and our FATHER Yahweh Who is the Supreme Judge. The words that Yahshua spoke were not his own, but were in fact the words of his and our FATHER Yahweh and his and our FATHER Yahweh will be the Supreme Judge of those who do not keep Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word.
WHO IS THE WORD? - (John 1:1)
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Jesus is the Word made flesh. Jesus is God. God was made flesh and dwelt among us.
John 1:1-14
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The word was with God and the Word was God.
John absolutely does say Jesus is God.
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Jesus is the Word made flesh. Jesus is God. God was made flesh and dwelt among us.
John 1:1-14
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The word was with God and the Word was God.
John absolutely does say Jesus is God.
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I praise You Jesus, my Lord and my God! To the glory of God the Father - come, my God and my Saviour Jesus with all your holy angels! Come quickly. Amen.
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Here's a question for all: Do you honor the Son just as you honor the Father?
That includes worshiping Him just as you worship God the Father. No less.
I look forward to the day when I can worship the Lamb forever and ever! (Revelation 5)
Don't listen to those who would say that we cannot worship Jesus as we worship the Father. Worship Jesus now with all your heart, love Him with all of your mind, soul, heart, and strength - for you will be doing it forever.
That includes worshiping Him just as you worship God the Father. No less.
I look forward to the day when I can worship the Lamb forever and ever! (Revelation 5)
Don't listen to those who would say that we cannot worship Jesus as we worship the Father. Worship Jesus now with all your heart, love Him with all of your mind, soul, heart, and strength - for you will be doing it forever.
In John 8 Jesus told the Jewish leaders, before Abraham was, I Am. in reference to the fact that God had tolld Moses to tell the people I Am sent you, in Exodus 3.
So Jesus Christ Himself said He is God and they took up stones to kill Him for saying He is God.
John 8:58-59
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Exodus 3:13-14
13 Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”
14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
In John 8 Jesus told the Jewish leaders, before Abraham was, I Am. in reference to the fact that God had tolld Moses to tell the people I Am sent you, in Exodus 3.
So Jesus Christ Himself said He is God and they took up stones to kill Him for saying He is God.
John 8:58-59
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Exodus 3:13-14
13 Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”
14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
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XD You say you have no time to defend your beliefs here, yet you can write this much in response to another?
You do not worship Jesus as He deserves to be worshiped. You've come to the right conclusion though, Frank - if Jesus is not God, then He is an idol, a created being and not the Creator, contrary to what texts such as Hebrews 1:10 says.
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Answer me this: Zechariah 2: 9 (and 2:15 in the Masoretic text) presents the Lord as having sent the Lord. What do you say to this?