jesus is not God

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blue_ladybug said:

1.) Jesus most certainly IS God!!

2.) While using capitals for Jesus and God is respectable, it is not required. It's not a law.

3.) I'm pretty sure God doesn't care about capitalization. He'd rather be worshipped. :)
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Good! Worshiped, believed and served (if I could add anything more)
 
kaylagrl said:
Jesus is God my friend.Read a little closer and you will see this truth. :)
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Thank you, Kay! I used to believe in the Catholic trinity I heard but, if you don't mind this simple idea I will leave: At the cross I see two things happening. GOD, who dwelt in Jesus' body-TEMPLE left Him alone in that cross that now saves us. That was the moment Our Lord and Savior Jesus quoted Psal 22.

So, to my dull understanding, GOD "died" leaving Jesus body alone in His cross. Later on, few moments, the very Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ died, leaving His own body; because dying is leaving the earthly body (and those cells die the medical way we probably know, from lack of oxygen, etc).

On the other hand, no one would die for misunderstanding the theory of the trinity (same way those who believe in the theory of the evolution, a thing i desbelive). I have believed GOD dwelt in Jesus body and, several times GOD spoke using Jesus' mouth and, if Jesus was God, our Father, how come would the devil have dared to test Him in the dessert?

Thank you again! I have spent years believing that way and, when i die, I hope this possible sin be forgiven too, because I'm tired of believing things "heard" and big truths, like these, GOD could help His people understand or believe, but no one will die for being dull... Just and example -the apostle Thomas- He had to see the resurrected LORD to believe He was alive and resurrected so, that one who spent more than 3 years with the Lord, who saw His miracles (and God's too) disbelieved the Good News (His Gospel) and this secular hermit rejects following things heard -and taught- by human traditions and Catholic lecturers.

Thank you for that kindness!
 
secularhermit said:
Thank you, Kay! I used to believe in the Catholic trinity I heard but, if you don't mind this simple idea I will leave: At the cross I see two things happening. GOD, who dwelt in Jesus' body-TEMPLE left Him alone in that cross that now saves us. That was the moment Our Lord and Savior Jesus quoted Psal 22.

So, to my dull understanding, GOD "died" leaving Jesus body alone in His cross. Later on, few moments, the very Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ died, leaving His own body; because dying is leaving the earthly body (and those cells die the medical way we probably know, from lack of oxygen, etc).

On the other hand, no one would die for misunderstanding the theory of the trinity (same way those who believe in the theory of the evolution, a thing i desbelive). I have believed GOD dwelt in Jesus body and, several times GOD spoke using Jesus' mouth and, if Jesus was God, our Father, how come would the devil have dared to test Him in the dessert?

Thank you again! I have spent years believing that way and, when i die, I hope this possible sin be forgiven too, because I'm tired of believing things "heard" and big truths, like these, GOD could help His people understand or believe, but no one will die for being dull... Just and example -the apostle Thomas- He had to see the resurrected LORD to believe He was alive and resurrected so, that one who spent more than 3 years with the Lord, who saw His miracles (and God's too) disbelieved the Good News (His Gospel) and this secular hermit rejects following things heard -and taught- by human traditions and Catholic lecturers.

Thank you for that kindness!
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Would you be willing to entertain the possibility that you may be wrong?
 
oldhermit said:
Would you be willing to entertain the possibility that you may be wrong?
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Absolutely, my brother! I dared to be wrong (and wronged) and I hope God (or Jesus) see the struggle I have largely inside (and I'm not the only one). And John's gospel tells more on those things, but that is a second hand "experience" I want Jesus would sort out because each time I read the 1st martyr (Stephen's witness) he said He saw "two", because he said Jesus was somewhere at God's hand (I forgot that place of Acts) and I hope it wasn't another Jews way to say things NOT ACTUALLY seen.
 
secularhermit said:
Absolutely, my brother! I dared to be wrong (and wronged) and I hope God (or Jesus) see the struggle I have largely inside (and I'm not the only one). And John's gospel tells more on those things, but that is a second hand "experience" I want Jesus would sort out because each time I read the 1st martyr (Stephen's witness) he said He saw "two", because he said Jesus was somewhere at God's hand (I forgot that place of Acts) and I hope it wasn't another Jews way to say things NOT ACTUALLY seen.
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So, what would it take to convince you?
 
oldhermit said:
So, what would it take to convince you?
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God's (or Jesus') self revelation but, Jesus clearly told his believers to believe in God and ALSO in Him, not only by the works He mentioned on John's. So, I think salvation doesn't not depend on believing in the theory of the trinity, but in Jesus, for he said: "Whomever who does not believe in me, dishonors my Father..." So, by being dull (and limited) I do not dishonor Him, neither His Father.
 
secularhermit said:
God's (or Jesus') self revelation but, Jesus clearly told his believers to believe in God and ALSO in Him, not only by the works He mentioned on John's. So, I think salvation doesn't not depend on believing in the theory of the trinity, but in Jesus, for he said: "Whomever who does not believe in me, dishonors my Father..." So, by being dull (and limited) I do not dishonor Him, neither His Father.
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If you do not believe he is who he says he is, is that not dishonoring him? This is what he accused the Jews of doing throughout the gospel of John.
 
peterT said:
This might help

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.
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Ditto ^ Jesus is the word was, and is in the beginning and end
 
Veritably, for if there is one fact the Bible makes 100% clear about, it is that Jesus is God. In fact, not that anyone who denies Christ's deity will look at it, but here are 160 reasons that says Jesus is God...

160 Reasons Jesus Christ is Almighty God

Many pre-incarnate appearances, hundreds of fulfilled Messianic prophecies, typifications of Christ, and the New Testament itself all bear witness to the fact that Jesus Christ is God Almighty in the flesh. This truth is so obvious, it is like giant neon sign hitting one's house (Unless of course one wants to ignore the truth or be untruthful).
 
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oldhermit said:
If you do not believe he is who he says he is, is that not dishonoring him? This is what he accused the Jews of doing throughout the gospel of John.
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According to that way you see it, Yes! Count me in the long list where Thomas was (and He kindly convinced an apostle He is ONE, instead of two or three).
 
kaylagrl said:
I dont understand how people miss this concept of Jesus being God.Especially Christians. Scriptures clearly show this simple truth.
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Yes it does and unfortunately, most Christians are illiterate when it comes to the Scriptures. The Father called His Son Jesus 'God' several times in the OT.
 
Saul_Durian said:
I too have had a problem with this through my studies. It just doesn't make sense. God made a virgin pregnant, with himself...so he could die so that our sins would be forgiven by him.

I know the scripture doesn't agree with that, but that has always been a big red flag for me. It is one area where I think the Mormons might have a better explanation.

*ducks head*
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2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
 
God is plural (Genesis 1:26, 27)

How else can you be WITH God and BE God? (John 1:1)

God the Father calls Jesus 'God' (Hebrews 1:9)

John was sharply corrected in Revelation for bowing down to worship and angel (Revelation 19:10) because he said you can only worship God. Yet when the disciples bowed to worship Jesus in Matthew 28:17, Jesus did not correct them, why? Because they were not wrong to worship Him because He is Deity (God). But some of them doubted, doubted what? That Jesus was God.

In John 1:1 it refers to a Person as 'the Word' and in John 1:14 it says this 'Word' became flesh "human" and dwelt among us. And we know in Genesis how the world was made- GOD said 'Let there be..." and there was. Did God create the world with physical hands, or with words? With words- Christ's words. John 1:3 says that without Him NOTHING was made that has been made. And Colossians 1:16 also says in Him all things were created. God created the earth / Jesus created the earth= same thing.
 
shroom2 said:
1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
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This means to believers of the faith that for example, all of GOD's creation that our naked eyes can see, was of GOD but was done by only our LORD JESUS CHRIST.

In the Gospel, GOD calls all men and women to turn back to HIM from all of their sins, before they face HIS wrath and judgement soon to come, which HE has prolong, due to grant us a Salvation package as a gift, in order to make peace and be reconciled and break the wall of enmity, to the Jews first and then to the non-Jews as well and is of GOD. But these are all only be achievable for sinners, by LORD JESUS CHRIST, who is GOD Himself, where the Living GOD, 'in the fullness and likeness' of HIM, manifested in a complete physical form through JESUS, giving salvation onto all men, to see, to hear and to believe. Only JESUS was completely obedient to GOD and HIS will from the beginning and non other.

Adam sinned and so did Moses, who not only offered sacrifice for Israel's sin, but also for his together in worship. But JESUS was without sin at all and came from a pure virgin birth. for HE is the anointed and chosen 'one' for GOD and is GOD to all men and women.

JESUS proclaimed Himself to all men and women, by the authority given to Him by the Living GOD, and only to JESUS that;

"I AM the Way, I AM the Truth and I AM the life, the only way to the FATHER is 'by' me."

If still you are unable to see and understand the Gospel, then you are not born from above, also not only by water but also the HOLY SPIRIT.
 
secularhermit said:
God's (or Jesus') self revelation but, Jesus clearly told his believers to believe in God and ALSO in Him, not only by the works He mentioned on John's. So, I think salvation doesn't not depend on believing in the theory of the trinity, but in Jesus, for he said: "Whomever who does not believe in me, dishonors my Father..." So, by being dull (and limited) I do not dishonor Him, neither His Father.
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there is no mention of a trinity for salvation.....
John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
 
newbirth said:
there is no mention of a trinity for salvation.....
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Yes, there is...


2 Thes 2.10 – 14


And in all deceit of unrighteousness in those being lost, because they did not receive the love of the truth in order for them to be saved. And because of this, God will send to them a working of error, for them to believe the lie, that all may be judged, those not believing the truth, but who have delighted in unrighteousness. But we ought to thank God always concerning you, brothers, beloved by the Lord, because God (Father) chose you from the beginning to salvation in sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth (Son), to which He called you through our gospel, to obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
oldhermit said:
No, he convinced the apostle he was alive and not dead.
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He also convinced him He was God, the way you think I should believe, and is not my fault is that I disbelived, though, ´cause I wasn´t at Jesus transfiguration where He could have shown He wasn´t God´s son, but God HImself.
 
newbirth said:
there is no mention of a trinity for salvation.....
John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
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I spent some time with those pentecostals (Iglesia Pentecostal Unida) who say Jesus is GOD and God Himself, I also baptized twice, being with them and now I know baptism saves no one.
 
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