Jesus' Command in Matthew 28:19

[KelbyofGod]

@SophieT
I'll offer this from my viewpoint, as something you can pray about and might benefit from. You've suggested that you want things in a more straightforward manner, so I'll share this in a straightfoward manner:

1. You forgot to "come out from among them" ...spiritually: You separated yourself physically and God gave you something as you sought him separated-ly, in your own bedroom. You boasted of that behavior and result when we first met. (Boasted in the Lord, and not wrongly). But you've held firm (bonded yourself, planted yourself) in their traditions and teachings. That means spiritually, you are still there. (Just like God brought the children of Israel out of Egypt physically, But spiritually they were still there, remaining in bondage)​

2. You know things they don't know.: You know what is meant by Jude 20. And you know what "praying in the Spirit" is.​

3. Acts 2:33 KJV "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." <-- the Holy Spirit comes with evidence, not just a feeling. You can hear it (him). And if you look in a mirror you can SEE what God has shed forth, in operation. Doesn't matter if others mock or misattribute the source, as some did in Acts 2. It also doesn't matter if some who have it (him) misuse it (him), becoming as a sounding brass.​

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[SophieT]

@SophieT
I'll offer this from my viewpoint, as something you can pray about and might benefit from. You've suggested that you want things in a more straightforward manner, so I'll share this in a straightfoward manner:

1. You forgot to "come out from among them" ...spiritually: You separated yourself physically and God gave you something as you sought him separated-ly, in your own bedroom. You boasted of that behavior and result when we first met. (Boasted in the Lord, and not wrongly). But you've held firm (bonded yourself, planted yourself) in their traditions and teachings. That means spiritually, you are still there. (Just like God brought the children of Israel out of Egypt physically, But spiritually they were still there, remaining in bondage)​

2. You know things they don't know.: You know what is meant by Jude 20. And you know what "praying in the Spirit" is.​

3. Acts 2:33 KJV "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." <-- the Holy Spirit comes with evidence, not just a feeling. You can hear it (him). And if you look in a mirror you can SEE what God has shed forth, in operation. Doesn't matter if others mock or misattribute the source, as some did in Acts 2. It also doesn't matter if some who have it (him) misuse it (him), becoming as a sounding brass.​

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

I know you believe you do not need to go to church

But you do need to do something because you need leadership in basic Bible knowledge/doctrine

you know nothing about me whatsoever, and you believe the Holy Spirit let you to write this nonsense

you are trippin dude

 

[SophieT]

I try very hard to not agree with a statement (or question) that can be interpreted as saying something I'm not saying. It's part of "be wise as serpents, harmless as doves" (which is also why I would rather give a compliment than a cut-down)

Often when you try to get me to agree to something, you've included a vagueness or have re-worded my statement (often only slightly) but in a way that changes the meaning. That's when I'll step away from agreement. And usually I'll try to find a clearer way to state the point.

I want to address the Jesus' blood topic directly in another post (remind me if I forget). But first I will address something about yourself.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

LOL!

no....I have not ever tried anything with you and never had the slightest thought you would agree to actual biblical doctrine

I simply refute your baptismal regeneration nonsense as well as assorted other ramblings

still trippin you are

 

[KelbyofGod]

I know you believe you do not need to go to church

But you do need to do something because you need leadership in basic Bible knowledge/doctrine

you know nothing about me whatsoever, and you believe the Holy Spirit let you to write this nonsense

you are trippin dude

Hi. didn't expect to see this reply so soon.

I do go to church and love my pastor. I just go to God more than him because God never fails, never lies, is not influenced by the flesh (except towards mercy, etc), is way more compassionate, and still speaks to his children.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[infinitekhanol]

Notice what Peter stated concerning water baptism on the Day of Pentecost: ",,,And be baptized EVERYONE of you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sin..." Peter was specific. EVERYONE was to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. No mention of the Father or the Holy Ghost. Why? Again, because the apostles obeyed the command Jesus gave in Matthew 28:19.

What did my post say----- whether you baptise in the name Jesus or the Lord Jesus or in the name of God the father, God the son and God the holy Ghost, both fulfil the standard of baptism Jesus specified.

 

[infinitekhanol]

Notice what the word says: In Jesus dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily. (Col 2:9)

You also need to understand Jesus's meaning when he says, my father is greater than I. And, the Son can do nothing of himself but what he sees the father doing. ETC

 

[KelbyofGod]

you know nothing about me whatsoever, and you believe the Holy Spirit let you to write this nonsense

Do you want me to call you out on this and prove that I'm not speaking in error regarding what you have? Just remember, some may have overlooked it the first time but they're not likely to miss it the second time.

You'd suggested that you tend to have more in common with those who operate in the gifts of the spirit, but lately you've been aligning yourself more with those that don't. That's part of why my posting was written. To say it more specifically, "She doesn't know which team she is on." That's the first thing I got when pondering the situation.

And it's interesting that you commented "and you believe the Holy Spirit let you to write this..." I had to go back and check whether or not I'd said anything about the Holy Spirit leading me to write it. I hadn't. I'd thought about it and decided against it, figuring God could make his own influence to be seen (or not).

You may not want to believe this, but I'm on your side. You have what they don't have. You just don't realize the importance of what you have, even though you've said you do. That's kind of like saying you know every aspect of God (which is too extravagant, even for you).

If you did understand what you truly have, you'd be much more cautious with what you say. It shouldn't be taken lightly that the only sin that cannot be forgiven involves both speech (blasphemy means to SPEAK evil of something/someone) and the Holy Spirit himself.

You DON'T have to agree with every thing I say. I know my purpose in the church (and world). It involves challenging people to greater faith. That means I have to confront people with things that question the very foundations of their beliefs. (even yours and Wansvic's). And I'll tell you one error that you have. You currently hold the belief that "Receiving the Holy Spirit", "believing" and "accepting Jesus as your savior" are all the same thing. That prevents you from seeing a LOT. And it doesn't align with the accounts in Acts, which are NOT there by mistake.

You can continue to berate me (and others) if you wish. I only have to give account for every word that proceeds out of MY mouth. My goal is to try to speak as "less preachy" as I can to you, and answer you as straight-forward as I can.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[infinitekhanol]

Notice what the word says: In Jesus dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily. (Col 2:9)

What about where he says, my father is greater than I? And, what I see my father do is the same thing I am doing?

 

[Wansvic]

What about where he says, my father is greater than I? And, what I see my father do is the same thing I am doing?

The scripture you reference has no bearing on what Jesus said about using a name. And confirmation as seen in all detailed water baptisms recorded. Again, each and every one provides evidence that the name to be used is the Lord Jesus because it is He who was crucified for all mankind.

 

[SophieT]

Hi. didn't expect to see this reply so soon.

I do go to church and love my pastor. I just go to God more than him because God never fails, never lies, is not influenced by the flesh (except towards mercy, etc), is way more compassionate, and still speaks to his children.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

does your pastor teach the same errors that you teach?

 

[SophieT]

Do you want me to call you out on this and prove that I'm not speaking in error regarding what you have? Just remember, some may have overlooked it the first time but they're not likely to miss it the second time.

You'd suggested that you tend to have more in common with those who operate in the gifts of the spirit, but lately you've been aligning yourself more with those that don't. That's part of why my posting was written. To say it more specifically, "She doesn't know which team she is on." That's the first thing I got when pondering the situation.

And it's interesting that you commented "and you believe the Holy Spirit let you to write this..." I had to go back and check whether or not I'd said anything about the Holy Spirit leading me to write it. I hadn't. I'd thought about it and decided against it, figuring God could make his own influence to be seen (or not).

You may not want to believe this, but I'm on your side. You have what they don't have. You just don't realize the importance of what you have, even though you've said you do. That's kind of like saying you know every aspect of God (which is too extravagant, even for you).

If you did understand what you truly have, you'd be much more cautious with what you say. It shouldn't be taken lightly that the only sin that cannot be forgiven involves both speech (blasphemy means to SPEAK evil of something/someone) and the Holy Spirit himself.

You DON'T have to agree with every thing I say. I know my purpose in the church (and world). It involves challenging people to greater faith. That means I have to confront people with things that question the very foundations of their beliefs. (even yours and Wansvic's). And I'll tell you one error that you have. You currently hold the belief that "Receiving the Holy Spirit", "believing" and "accepting Jesus as your savior" are all the same thing. That prevents you from seeing a LOT. And it doesn't align with the accounts in Acts, which are NOT there by mistake.

You can continue to berate me (and others) if you wish. I only have to give account for every word that proceeds out of MY mouth. My goal is to try to speak as "less preachy" as I can to you, and answer you as straight-forward as I can.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

this is a public forum

it appears you cannot stay on topic


baptism does not wash away sins

there appears to be a disconnect with what I actually have posted and what you think you read

your tactic of trying to create personal dialogue here, is typical of what you do, but this one is particularly strange

 

[Jon-E]

Anyone who wishes to understand what Jesus meant in Matthew 28:19 need only to look up each detailed water baptism recorded. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16) The evidence is in the word itself. Every water baptism is done in the name of the Lord Jesus. Why? Because it is Jesus who was crucified for mankind. Paul made a point of indicating this in his conversation with the Corinthian's in 1 Cor. 1:12-15. Also relevant is the fact that in Jesus dwells all of the fulness of the Godhead. How do we know this? The bible tells us so, and makes a distinct association with baptism. Colossians 2:9-13.

Those who are interested in seeing who decided churches should use the phrase instead of obey Jesus' command can easily find the answer if they so desire. Do an Internet search.

The Adam Clarke Commentary quotes from Lightfoot on the this matter of baptism:

"II. He commands them to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; but among the Jews, they baptized only in the name of Jesus. See Acts 2:38; Acts 8:16; Acts 19:5. For this reason, that thus the baptizers might assert, and the baptized confess, Jesus to be the true Messias; which was chiefly controverted by the Jews. Of the same nature is that apostolic blessing, Grace and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ. Where then is the Holy Ghost? He is not excluded, however he be not named. The Jews did more easily consent to the Spirit of the Messias, which they very much celebrate, than to the person of the Messias. Above all others they deny and abjure Jesus of Nazareth. It belonged to the apostles, therefore, the more earnestly to assert Jesus (to be the Messias) by how much the more vehemently they opposed him: which being once cleared, the acknowledging of the Spirit of Christ would be introduced without delay or scruple. Moses, (in Ex 6:14,) going about to reckon up all the tribes of Israel, goes no farther than the tribe of Levi; and takes up with that to which his business and story at that present related. In like manner, the apostles, for the present, baptize in the name of Jesus, and bless in the name of the Father and of Jesus, that thereby they might more firmly establish the doctrine of Jesus, which met with such sharp and virulent opposition; which doctrine being established among them, they would soon agree about the Holy Ghost.

"III. Among the Jews, the controversy was about the true Messias; among the Gentiles, about the true God. It was therefore proper among the Jews to baptize in the name of Jesus, that he might be vindicated to be the true Messias. Among the Gentiles, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, that they might be hereby instructed in the doctrine of the true God.-Let this be particularly noted.

"IV. The Jews baptized proselytes into the name of the Father, that is, into the profession of God, whom they called by the name of Father. The apostles baptize the Jews into the name of Jesus the Son, and the Gentiles, into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
LIGHTFOOT'S Works, vol. ii. p. 274

 

[Wansvic]

The Adam Clarke Commentary quotes from Lightfoot on the this matter of baptism:

"II. He commands them to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; but among the Jews, they baptized only in the name of Jesus. See Acts 2:38; Acts 8:16; Acts 19:5. For this reason, that thus the baptizers might assert, and the baptized confess, Jesus to be the true Messias; which was chiefly controverted by the Jews. Of the same nature is that apostolic blessing, Grace and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ. Where then is the Holy Ghost? He is not excluded, however he be not named. The Jews did more easily consent to the Spirit of the Messias, which they very much celebrate, than to the person of the Messias. Above all others they deny and abjure Jesus of Nazareth. It belonged to the apostles, therefore, the more earnestly to assert Jesus (to be the Messias) by how much the more vehemently they opposed him: which being once cleared, the acknowledging of the Spirit of Christ would be introduced without delay or scruple. Moses, (in Ex 6:14,) going about to reckon up all the tribes of Israel, goes no farther than the tribe of Levi; and takes up with that to which his business and story at that present related. In like manner, the apostles, for the present, baptize in the name of Jesus, and bless in the name of the Father and of Jesus, that thereby they might more firmly establish the doctrine of Jesus, which met with such sharp and virulent opposition; which doctrine being established among them, they would soon agree about the Holy Ghost.

"III. Among the Jews, the controversy was about the true Messias; among the Gentiles, about the true God. It was therefore proper among the Jews to baptize in the name of Jesus, that he might be vindicated to be the true Messias. Among the Gentiles, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, that they might be hereby instructed in the doctrine of the true God.-Let this be particularly noted.

"IV. The Jews baptized proselytes into the name of the Father, that is, into the profession of God, whom they called by the name of Father. The apostles baptize the Jews into the name of Jesus the Son, and the Gentiles, into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
LIGHTFOOT'S Works, vol. ii. p. 274

Please do not take offense but realize that commentary's are just individual's opinions. The word will always confirm itself. And all water baptisms as recorded were done in the name of the Lord Jesus. This is true of all nationalities including the Gentiles. (Acts 10:44-48) Scripture tells us that in our obedience to baptism we are buried with Jesus into His death, and as such the body of sin is destroyed.

As mentioned, the Apostle Paul makes the point that a name is used in water baptism. And that name, is the name of the one who was crucified for all; Jesus. (1 Cor 1:13-15)


"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." Rom 6:3-6

 

[Jon-E]

Please do not take offense but realize that commentary's are just individual's opinions. The word will always confirm itself. And all water baptisms as recorded were done in the name of the Lord Jesus. This is true of all nationalities including the Gentiles. (Acts 10:44-48) Scripture tells us that in our obedience to baptism we are buried with Jesus into His death, and as such the body of sin is destroyed.

As mentioned, the Apostle Paul makes the point that a name is used in water baptism. And that name, is the name of the one who was crucified for all; Jesus. (1 Cor 1:13-15)


"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." Rom 6:3-6

You are not expressing an opinion? LOL I will go with the opinion of the Holy Spirit indwelt body of Christ through the centuries over some sect. Are you denying the Christian Trinity? Do you believe in the One God who exists as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit?

By the way, Cornelius worshipped the one true God he knew from the Jews "The description of Cornelius as a devout, God-fearing man probably means that he belonged to the category called “God-fearers,” Gentiles who worshiped the God of Israel and in many cases kept the Mosaic law, but did not take the final step of circumcision necessary to become a proselyte to Judaism." Note in the NET2 Bible

 

[justbyfaith]

I simply refute your baptismal regeneration nonsense

You have never been able to refute the doctrine of baptismal regeneration since it is a biblical doctrine.

 

[justbyfaith]

What did my post say----- whether you baptise in the name Jesus or the Lord Jesus or in the name of God the father, God the son and God the holy Ghost, both fulfil the standard of baptism Jesus specified.

As long as you realize that when you baptize in the name (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, that it is the name of Jesus Christ that you are baptizing in.

 

[justbyfaith]

baptism does not wash away sins

See Acts 22:16.

 

[KelbyofGod]

I have said that only the blood of Christ can cleanse us from our sins over and over and over through these forums and somewhere in reply to you and waterboy more than once

this is a public forum

it appears you cannot stay on topic


baptism does not wash away sins

there appears to be a disconnect with what I actually have posted and what you think you read

your tactic of trying to create personal dialogue here, is typical of what you do, but this one is particularly strange

Just sharing what seemed appropriate to share.
If you feel it is off topic, then we'll get back on topic.

You say baptism does not wash away sins. Two questions about that:
1. What does remission of sins mean?
2. What verse(s) would you like me to read? (regarding the washing away of sins or your point in some other way)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[KelbyofGod]

Just sharing what seemed appropriate to share.
If you feel it is off topic, then we'll get back on topic.

You say baptism does not wash away sins. Two questions about that:
1. What does remission of sins mean?
2. What verse(s) would you like me to read? (regarding the washing away of sins or your point in some other way)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

@SophieT oops, that first quote of yours (on my post#98) was something left over from earlier when I was going to answer it.

 

[Wansvic]

You are not expressing an opinion? LOL I will go with the opinion of the Holy Spirit indwelt body of Christ through the centuries over some sect. Are you denying the Christian Trinity? Do you believe in the One God who exists as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit?

By the way, Cornelius worshipped the one true God he knew from the Jews "The description of Cornelius as a devout, God-fearing man probably means that he belonged to the category called “God-fearers,” Gentiles who worshiped the God of Israel and in many cases kept the Mosaic law, but did not take the final step of circumcision necessary to become a proselyte to Judaism." Note in the NET2 Bible

I shared scripture. Please explain which part of the post was my opinion?

My comment is below for your review. One thing I did neglect to add is the list of scriptures that confirm the use of the name of Jesus in association with water baptism. They are as follows, Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16.


"The word will always confirm itself. And all water baptisms as recorded were done in the name of the Lord Jesus. This is true of all nationalities including the Gentiles. (Acts 10:44-48) Scripture tells us that in our obedience to baptism we are buried with Jesus into His death, and as such the body of sin is destroyed.

As mentioned, the Apostle Paul makes the point that a name is used in water baptism. And that name, is the name of the one who was crucified for all; Jesus. (1 Cor 1:13-15)


"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." Rom 6:3-6