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GOD knows our needs and he knows what we want and why wouldn’t someone want what’s good.
You said It’s not faith If we get what we want?I disagree with that statement from what I have read In the Bible or maybe I’m misunderstanding your post.
You said that It Is faith If we do not get what we want?We do get what we want by faith and GOD by grace gives It,why wouldn’t someone like what’s good?
You should clarify your post.
You said It’s not faith If we get what we want?I disagree with that statement from what I have read In the Bible or maybe I’m misunderstanding your post.
You said that It Is faith If we do not get what we want?We do get what we want by faith and GOD by grace gives It,why wouldn’t someone like what’s good?
You should clarify your post.
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GOD knows our needs and he knows what we want and why wouldn’t someone want what’s good.
You said It’s not faith If we get what we want?I disagree with that statement from what I have read In the Bible or maybe I’m misunderstanding your post.
You said that It Is faith If we do not get what we want?We do get what we want by faith and GOD by grace gives It,why wouldn’t someone like what’s good?
You should clarify your post.
You said It’s not faith If we get what we want?I disagree with that statement from what I have read In the Bible or maybe I’m misunderstanding your post.
You said that It Is faith If we do not get what we want?We do get what we want by faith and GOD by grace gives It,why wouldn’t someone like what’s good?
You should clarify your post.
You can use faith and receive from God. How else does prayer get answered beyond God's mercy? Expectation. Except, what he is portraying is that faith is only truly faith when we don't receive from God what we have asked, but this is more so an exercise in trust, and to remain faithful, to hold to the promise (that will eventually lead to a receiving of from God, dependent upon belief, and God's sovereignty).
The testing of faith against all odds is a matter of trust, though the winds whirl and the waves crash, one can still step out of the boat trusting the Lord. What the OP fails to mention, however, is the eventual reception of what was asked. Instead he makes faith only a matter of trust in God's sovereignty at the rejection of our request instead of a means to attainment to the promises of God, or what we desire.
I understand his point. It is a dire one, though. If we look to our circumstance and accept it as God's rejection of our request, and then we must remain faithful, we leave no room for petition. No room for the actual use of faith. Sure it can be testament to our faithfulness to God no matter the circumstance we find ourselves, but faithfulness and faith are not tools to be left in the toolbox and stuck in the shed of contentment (albeit a false one).
Faith transcends reality, it goes beyond what we can perceive and reaches out in hope and expectation of something more. Faith may be active in want, but the Lord is my Shepherd I shall not want. There appears to be a contradiction there, but as God's word says, man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Hi Noblenut, when I finally came to saving faith in Jesus (more than 32 years ago now), not only did I get what I wanted, I got FAR more than I had the ability to even imagine back then
While on the one hand I certainly agree that we are to glorify, honor and please God (and what child of God would want to do otherwise?), that He might be pleased with/in and for us, on the other hand, it seems to me that your premise is inconsistent with what the Bible teaches us. For instance:
~Deut
p.s. - It's true that God doesn't owe us anything, but He chose to give us the VERY best He had to give us anyway, and amazingly, His intention is to give us even more apparently .. e.g. Romans 8:32.
While on the one hand I certainly agree that we are to glorify, honor and please God (and what child of God would want to do otherwise?), that He might be pleased with/in and for us, on the other hand, it seems to me that your premise is inconsistent with what the Bible teaches us. For instance:
Psalm 37
4 Delight yourself in the Lord, and He will give you the desires of your heart.
Matthew 7
7 Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
8 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
9 Or what man is there among you who, when his son asks for a loaf, will give him a stone?
10 Or if he asks for a fish, he will not give him a snake, will he?
11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!
John 16
23 In that day you will not question Me about anything. Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything in My name, He will give it to you.
24 Until now you have asked for nothing in My name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be made full.
Romans 4
20 With respect to the promise of God, he did not waver in unbelief but grew strong in faith, giving glory to God,
21 and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.
Romans 8
32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?
Hebrews 1
1 Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
~Deut
p.s. - It's true that God doesn't owe us anything, but He chose to give us the VERY best He had to give us anyway, and amazingly, His intention is to give us even more apparently
.. e.g. Romans 8:32."God never withholds from His child that which His love and wisdom call good.
He never denies our heart's desire except to give us something better"
Elisabeth Elliot
.He never denies our heart's desire except to give us something better"
Elisabeth Elliot
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Faith is getting what we want if it is in compliance with our spiritual walk with God, and salvation, and our physical needs.
Which God promises us both spiritual, and physical needs, without holding them back from us.
So if our faith is tested, or we go through trials, it will not be according to our spiritual, and physical needs, that would be lacking, but in another way that our faith would be tested, and we go through trials.
For God will not test our faith by denying us fruits of the Spirit, or denying us food, and water, and neither our marriage falling apart for that is a necessity, and a relationship like the Lord and His saints, but in the physical realm for they are one flesh.
Persecutions seems like one of the main tests of our faith, for we are not guaranteed to not go through persecutions, or perhaps a physical ailment like Paul to keep us humble, and learn to depend on the Lord, for when we are weak then the power of Christ rests upon us.
Mat 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
1Jn 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1Jn 5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Php 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you(food, and clothing).
Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Jas 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
Jas 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
Our spiritual, and physical needs, are not part of the testing of our faith, for those are always supplied of we walk in truth, but we might not get delivered from persecution, or not be delivered from a physical ailment, which Paul asked to be delivered, and God said My grace is sufficient for you.
Which God promises us both spiritual, and physical needs, without holding them back from us.
So if our faith is tested, or we go through trials, it will not be according to our spiritual, and physical needs, that would be lacking, but in another way that our faith would be tested, and we go through trials.
For God will not test our faith by denying us fruits of the Spirit, or denying us food, and water, and neither our marriage falling apart for that is a necessity, and a relationship like the Lord and His saints, but in the physical realm for they are one flesh.
Persecutions seems like one of the main tests of our faith, for we are not guaranteed to not go through persecutions, or perhaps a physical ailment like Paul to keep us humble, and learn to depend on the Lord, for when we are weak then the power of Christ rests upon us.
Mat 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
1Jn 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1Jn 5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Php 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you(food, and clothing).
Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Jas 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
Jas 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
Our spiritual, and physical needs, are not part of the testing of our faith, for those are always supplied of we walk in truth, but we might not get delivered from persecution, or not be delivered from a physical ailment, which Paul asked to be delivered, and God said My grace is sufficient for you.
We are told that if man worked with the kingdom of God in all ways it would result in abundance. I think the word abundance can be read in its deep, over all meaning. But the term "getting what we want" really doesn't fit. You can want a Mercedes but I don't think God will be listening to that want. It doesn't fit into God's plan for His kingdom here on earth nor God's definition of abundance.
We can look around us and see it working as a law of the universe. The holocaust was an awful example of unfairness, but in the kingdom of the Lord it led to the Jews going back to their land.
In individual lives, compare a person who lives in a family of love and one who lives in a criminal family.
We can look around us and see it working as a law of the universe. The holocaust was an awful example of unfairness, but in the kingdom of the Lord it led to the Jews going back to their land.
In individual lives, compare a person who lives in a family of love and one who lives in a criminal family.
really don't think this is a solid tautology..
for ex. Matthew 9, the Lord opens the eyes of two blind men, asking do they believe He can? they say yes, so He, saying, according to your faith let it be done to you, heals them -- that is what they wanted, to see, and they receive it, and they receive it according to their faith. now, if they are faithless because they have received, then they would remain blind, wouldn't they? they began with faith, and a gift was added to their faith, and -- i think -- their faith remained & was strengthened by having received some of what they desired:
i am sure you are looking at this:
but look, it is the evidence of things unseen. evidence testifies of that which exists, not what doesn't exist: which has been received, even though it is not yet revealed fully. if we doubt we receive it, do we have faith at all?? even if some things we still patiently wait for - He gave us the 'surety' of His Spirit, or earnest-money, making our hope that much more steadfast and certain. and anyone alive and able to read this is currently receiving mercy from Him, because not one of us 'deserves' life
for ex. Matthew 9, the Lord opens the eyes of two blind men, asking do they believe He can? they say yes, so He, saying, according to your faith let it be done to you, heals them -- that is what they wanted, to see, and they receive it, and they receive it according to their faith. now, if they are faithless because they have received, then they would remain blind, wouldn't they? they began with faith, and a gift was added to their faith, and -- i think -- their faith remained & was strengthened by having received some of what they desired:
As Jesus went on from there, two blind men followed him, calling out,
“Have mercy on us, Son of David!”
(Matthew 9:27)
mercy i am sure you are looking at this:
faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
(Hebrews 11:1)
but look, it is the evidence of things unseen. evidence testifies of that which exists, not what doesn't exist: which has been received, even though it is not yet revealed fully. if we doubt we receive it, do we have faith at all?? even if some things we still patiently wait for - He gave us the 'surety' of His Spirit, or earnest-money, making our hope that much more steadfast and certain. and anyone alive and able to read this is currently receiving mercy from Him, because not one of us 'deserves' life
