It is near

[randyk]

The Kingdom is near. The Bible speaks of the impact of God's heavenly Kingdom today, and even always. But it does not say that the eschatological Kingdom is already realized. By definition it comes in the Eschaton, and not before.

And so, the Kingdom is a process, the steps of which make an impact on our world today, even before it arrives in the eschatological sense.

What did Jesus mean when he said God's Kingdom was "near?" Albert Schweitzer thought Jesus was mistaken. Others have thought the same.

What Jesus actually meant is that he was the King of this coming Kingdom, and his presence was the initial step in preparing for the eschatological Kingdom to come.

If Jesus was near in proximity to his people, being present with them on earth, then in a sense the Kingdom itself, spiritually, was near them. And he made another "hour" click off the clock in preparation for his final Coming, since his earthly work prepared the way for it to come.

The Gospel is an advance warning, providing the warning of an almost imminent event. In fact, Christ's 1st Coming means that we already have a choice to make, once we've heard that message. It in that sense makes the coming of the Kingdom near to every one of us.

The main point here is that since Jesus brought the Kingdom "near" in his 1st Coming, his work of redemption has brought his Spirit near to all of us when the Gospel is preached to us as an advance warning. When he came he brought his Spirit with him. And when he left, he left his Spirit with the Church. Jesus in that sense remains "near" to us. And it renders his judgment "near" to all of us.

We are all "near" the judgment. We have an immediate need to respond to the message and to deliver the message. That's what we should be doing.

 

[Blain]

The kingdom is always near it is alive in us and all around us what the kingdom does is bring forth God's dominion and righteousness we plant the seeds of the kingdom with every word we utter and if the kingdom is always near when does it fully arrive? I think that is a good question

 

[randyk]

The kingdom is always near it is alive in us and all around us what the kingdom does is bring forth God's dominion and righteousness we plant the seeds of the kingdom with every word we utter and if the kingdom is always near when does it fully arrive? I think that is a good question

No, I don't believe the Kingdom is "always" near. And that's because at some point it will be here.

I don't believe we, the church, are either reigning or exercising dominion. Jesus is Lord, but as Lord, he has called for us to endure to the end, to prevail when we are persecuted, to love those who hate us and persecute us, and to faithfully live a witness to Jesus.

When the time comes, the Kingdom will come and we will be rewarded with eternal fellowship with our heavenly Father. PTL!

 

[GWH]

The Kingdom is near. The Bible speaks of the impact of God's heavenly Kingdom today, and even always. But it does not say that the eschatological Kingdom is already realized. By definition it comes in the Eschaton, and not before.

And so, the Kingdom is a process, the steps of which make an impact on our world today, even before it arrives in the eschatological sense.

What did Jesus mean when he said God's Kingdom was "near?" Albert Schweitzer thought Jesus was mistaken. Others have thought the same.

What Jesus actually meant is that he was the King of this coming Kingdom, and his presence was the initial step in preparing for the eschatological Kingdom to come.

If Jesus was near in proximity to his people, being present with them on earth, then in a sense the Kingdom itself, spiritually, was near them. And he made another "hour" click off the clock in preparation for his final Coming, since his earthly work prepared the way for it to come.

The Gospel is an advance warning, providing the warning of an almost imminent event. In fact, Christ's 1st Coming means that we already have a choice to make, once we've heard that message. It in that sense makes the coming of the Kingdom near to every one of us.

The main point here is that since Jesus brought the Kingdom "near" in his 1st Coming, his work of redemption has brought his Spirit near to all of us when the Gospel is preached to us as an advance warning. When he came he brought his Spirit with him. And when he left, he left his Spirit with the Church. Jesus in that sense remains "near" to us. And it renders his judgment "near" to all of us.

We are all "near" the judgment. We have an immediate need to respond to the message and to deliver the message. That's what we should be doing.

Yes, but creation was the initial step, Christ's atonement was the crucial step and our resurrection will be the final step.

 

[homwardbound]

No, I don't believe the Kingdom is "always" near. And that's because at some point it will be here.

I don't believe we, the church, are either reigning or exercising dominion. Jesus is Lord, but as Lord, he has called for us to endure to the end, to prevail when we are persecuted, to love those who hate us and persecute us, and to faithfully live a witness to Jesus.

When the time comes, the Kingdom will come and we will be rewarded with eternal fellowship with our heavenly Father. PTL!

Your response, sounds to me as you ill be rewarded fro what you in your flesh does> is that true with you?
Thank you to let us know, if you think your flesh will please Father at all

 

[Blain]

No, I don't believe the Kingdom is "always" near. And that's because at some point it will be here.

I don't believe we, the church, are either reigning or exercising dominion. Jesus is Lord, but as Lord, he has called for us to endure to the end, to prevail when we are persecuted, to love those who hate us and persecute us, and to faithfully live a witness to Jesus.

When the time comes, the Kingdom will come and we will be rewarded with eternal fellowship with our heavenly Father. PTL!

The kingdom of God is not merely a physical thing that will one day arrive it is also the body of Christ and the gospel of salvation so in this way yes it is always near but the actual kingdom is not yet here until all is said and done

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

No, I don't believe the Kingdom is "always" near. And that's because at some point it will be here.

I don't believe we, the church, are either reigning or exercising dominion. Jesus is Lord, but as Lord, he has called for us to endure to the end, to prevail when we are persecuted, to love those who hate us and persecute us, and to faithfully live a witness to Jesus.

When the time comes, the Kingdom will come and we will be rewarded with eternal fellowship with our heavenly Father. PTL!

The kingdom of God is not merely a physical thing that will one day arrive it is also the body of Christ and the gospel of salvation so in this way yes it is always near but the actual kingdom is not yet here until all is said and done

Precious friends, these may be helpful for nearing the end 'understanding', eh?

Borrowed from: BIBLE CONTRASTS Why All These Differences?:

Christ's Prophesied Second Coming To Set Up the earthly Millennial Kingdom For
Israel And the nations:



Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

Christ's Mystery Coming for The Heavenly Body Of Christ 'members' having Already Been:

"...translated Into The [ Heavenly ] Kingdom Of His Dear SON..." (Colossians 1:12-14 AV):



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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[randyk]

Your response, sounds to me as you ill be rewarded fro what you in your flesh does> is that true with you?
Thank you to let us know, if you think your flesh will please Father at all

Don't know what your statement has to do with the subject matter? Sounds on the "judgmental" side, but just to reassure you--I think our "flesh," ie our independent choices, need to give way, or surrender, to the will of God always.

 

[randyk]

Precious friends, these may be helpful for nearing the end 'understanding', eh?

Borrowed from: BIBLE CONTRASTS Why All These Differences?:

Christ's Prophesied Second Coming To Set Up the earthly Millennial Kingdom For
Israel And the nations:

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I don't characterize the Book of Revelation as depicting "future horrors." That is the typical Dispensationalist view, designed to encourage Christians to seek an "early escape."

In reality, what the Revelation describes has been going on throughout the current age. Christians are persecuted, and the earth shows signs of God's disgruntlement with the way people live. Nations, when they go too far, are ultimately defeated by aggressive enemies. It happened in Israel in the 1st century, and it's been happening with other countries ever since.

When things wind down with the final Antichrist, then we'll see a "future deliverance," as opposed to "future horrors."

 

[homwardbound]

Don't know what your statement has to do with the subject matter? Sounds on the "judgmental" side, but just to reassure you--I think our "flesh," ie our independent choices, need to give way, or surrender, to the will of God always.

I was just mentioning what I was getting and posted to get corrected, thank you for correcting that

 

[homwardbound]

randyk said:
No, I don't believe the Kingdom is "always" near. And that's because at some point it will be here.

I don't believe we, the church, are either reigning or exercising dominion. Jesus is Lord, but as Lord, he has called for us to endure to the end, to prevail when we are persecuted, to love those who hate us and persecute us, and to faithfully live a witness to Jesus.

When the time comes, the Kingdom will come and we will be rewarded with eternal fellowship with our heavenly Father. PTL! End Quote


Quote No, I don't believe the Kingdom is "always" near. And that's because at some point it will be here End Quote

Bear with me and see this as us learning. together please, I do not know more than others ever, I am learning also

Father and Son are here in Spirit and Truth to live in anyone that sincerely believes them. So that Father and Son can continue to keep us cleaned up forever cleaning up our messes, teaching us how to not do wrong(s) anymore through his done work in his resurrection. Which can take a long while learning to let go of bad habits in each person that might have been traits in them by the time of repentance to God Father and Son from them. Repent "A change of mind from self work(s) to God's done work of Son. Then the new begins in each one. Eph 1:6,7, 13 Accepted forgiven and sealed by God Father to reveal truth over error and one remains willing to God not self anymore or anyone else and learns new.
In Jesus's walk he never depended on self, only his Father to lead and do through him love and mercy to all, even those that did not believe yet. Today and each day it is our turn in belief to be taught new the same as in Luke 21:14-15 I appreciate you Brother, as we each learn new daily in 24/7 trust to Father our TrustFund for eternity, thanks to Son first.

God is nearer than a Heartbeat daily. No one has to work for salvation anymore to stay in, to get in or remain in, thanks to the done work of Son for everyone to believe it is done, not just say it, learn new from Father daily in it, The Holy Spirit, Father that led Jesus the entire walk here on earth for us all first. before the death, burial, and resurrection. The resurrection is where the new life offered resides. It does not reside in his earth walk. That walk was to fulfill law and prophets that he did per John 19:30, Col 1:21-23 Eph 1:7, seeing verse 6, Accepted in the beloved
Let go of self completely see Gal 2:20 and be that as well in belief it is done for us all and be thankful always even in any and all adversities, through all ambiguities not understandings yet Father reveals as needed for each child's walk in love to all.
We are each and all everyone of everyone are in different stages of growth. So we, I we are here to share what we each have learned, are learning and willing to listen one to the other. Taking it all in prayer to Father to end up knowing truth over errors here in this world still.
Thank you for reading and listening.

 

[randyk]

randyk said:
No, I don't believe the Kingdom is "always" near. And that's because at some point it will be here.

I don't believe we, the church, are either reigning or exercising dominion. Jesus is Lord, but as Lord, he has called for us to endure to the end, to prevail when we are persecuted, to love those who hate us and persecute us, and to faithfully live a witness to Jesus.

When the time comes, the Kingdom will come and we will be rewarded with eternal fellowship with our heavenly Father. PTL! End Quote


Quote No, I don't believe the Kingdom is "always" near. And that's because at some point it will be here End Quote

Bear with me and see this as us learning. together please, I do not know more than others ever, I am learning also

Father and Son are here in Spirit and Truth to live in anyone that sincerely believes them. So that Father and Son can continue to keep us cleaned up forever cleaning up our messes, teaching us how to not do wrong(s) anymore through his done work in his resurrection. Which can take a long while learning to let go of bad habits in each person that might have been traits in them by the time of repentance to God Father and Son from them. Repent "A change of mind from self work(s) to God's done work of Son. Then the new begins in each one. Eph 1:6,7, 13 Accepted forgiven and sealed by God Father to reveal truth over error and one remains willing to God not self anymore or anyone else and learns new.
In Jesus's walk he never depended on self, only his Father to lead and do through him love and mercy to all, even those that did not believe yet. Today and each day it is our turn in belief to be taught new the same as in Luke 21:14-15 I appreciate you Brother, as we each learn new daily in 24/7 trust to Father our TrustFund for eternity, thanks to Son first.

God is nearer than a Heartbeat daily. No one has to work for salvation anymore to stay in, to get in or remain in, thanks to the done work of Son for everyone to believe it is done, not just say it, learn new from Father daily in it, The Holy Spirit, Father that led Jesus the entire walk here on earth for us all first. before the death, burial, and resurrection. The resurrection is where the new life offered resides. It does not reside in his earth walk. That walk was to fulfill law and prophets that he did per John 19:30, Col 1:21-23 Eph 1:7, seeing verse 6, Accepted in the beloved
Let go of self completely see Gal 2:20 and be that as well in belief it is done for us all and be thankful always even in any and all adversities, through all ambiguities not understandings yet Father reveals as needed for each child's walk in love to all.
We are each and all everyone of everyone are in different stages of growth. So we, I we are here to share what we each have learned, are learning and willing to listen one to the other. Taking it all in prayer to Father to end up knowing truth over errors here in this world still.
Thank you for reading and listening.

Yes, we do learn from one another and identify with one another in our common experience. About the only thing I would question here is your statement that the "new life does not reside in his earthly walk."

I believe that our new life was always resident in Jesus' earthly walk, though I would agree that it wasn't until his resurrection that he legally gave that new life to us on an endless basis. It was at the cross, and in his resurrection, that he forgave us, making our new life an unconditional gift.

That may have been what you were saying? I'm just saying that the new life that was in Jesus was in him before the cross as well as after the cross. His Deity always existed, and his ability to give Israel life was always resident in him, even if before the cross that life could dissipate or be taken away.

But this may be splitting hairs. We likely both agree that Jesus administered his spiritual life during his earthly ministry to his disciples in Israel? It was not just the Law, but alaos with it spiritual life, that Jesus ministered to Israel during his earthly ministry.

And we likely both agree that it was at the cross and after that he qualified his disciples to have eternal life, and not just a temporary dose of his "new life?" I trust you will understand and agree?

If by "new life" you mean the giving of the Spirit as a permanent gift we agree--that did not happen until after the resurrection. The life that was in Jesus during his earthly ministry "becomes" new and eternal once Jesus is raised from the dead. However, that life has always begun at the point where a disciple of God accepts His word. That was as true under the Law as it is now, after the resurrection.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I appreciate you Brother, as we each learn new daily in 24/7 trust to Father our TrustFund for eternity, thanks to Son first.

Awesome - I like that!

 

[memberofthebride]

The Kingdom is near. The Bible speaks of the impact of God's heavenly Kingdom today, and even always. But it does not say that the eschatological Kingdom is already realized. By definition it comes in the Eschaton, and not before.

And so, the Kingdom is a process, the steps of which make an impact on our world today, even before it arrives in the eschatological sense.

What did Jesus mean when he said God's Kingdom was "near?" Albert Schweitzer thought Jesus was mistaken. Others have thought the same.

What Jesus actually meant is that he was the King of this coming Kingdom, and his presence was the initial step in preparing for the eschatological Kingdom to come.

If Jesus was near in proximity to his people, being present with them on earth, then in a sense the Kingdom itself, spiritually, was near them. And he made another "hour" click off the clock in preparation for his final Coming, since his earthly work prepared the way for it to come.

The Gospel is an advance warning, providing the warning of an almost imminent event. In fact, Christ's 1st Coming means that we already have a choice to make, once we've heard that message. It in that sense makes the coming of the Kingdom near to every one of us.

The main point here is that since Jesus brought the Kingdom "near" in his 1st Coming, his work of redemption has brought his Spirit near to all of us when the Gospel is preached to us as an advance warning. When he came he brought his Spirit with him. And when he left, he left his Spirit with the Church. Jesus in that sense remains "near" to us. And it renders his judgment "near" to all of us.

We are all "near" the judgment. We have an immediate need to respond to the message and to deliver the message. That's what we should be doing.

Does any one read Ezekiel?
I believe chapters 40 on in Ezekiel, Ezekiel is given in detail what the third Temple will look like and the KING of Kings will dwell on earth in that Temple.

the Government of God will be an actual government ruling the entire earth.

I do not understand why but the priesthood will return and Animal Sacrifices will began again.

I realize none of this matches what the majority of what is called christianity believes, but it is in the Word

 

[randyk]

Does any one read Ezekiel?
I believe chapters 40 on in Ezekiel, Ezekiel is given in detail what the third Temple will look like and the KING of Kings will dwell on earth in that Temple.

the Government of God will be an actual government ruling the entire earth.

I do not understand why but the priesthood will return and Animal Sacrifices will began again.

I realize none of this matches what the majority of what is called christianity believes, but it is in the Word

Visions are in the Bible and as such are not to be taken literally, but rather, symbolically. It is the context that determines how things are to be taken.

The vision given to Ezekiel was of a temple high on a mountain--this was not the literal temple prescribed by Moses, which was located in Jerusalem. It was a vision.

We are taught in Hebrews that the Temple was good only up until the veil was rent. There will be no legitimate Temple in the future unless it is some kind of heavenly, non-earthly Temple. And we do see that in the book of Revelation. Jesus is the Temple--not a Temple of stone and wood.

 

[memberofthebride]

Visions are in the Bible and as such are not to be taken literally, but rather, symbolically. It is the context that determines how things are to be taken.

The vision given to Ezekiel was of a temple high on a mountain--this was not the literal temple prescribed by Moses, which was located in Jerusalem. It was a vision.

We are taught in Hebrews that the Temple was good only up until the veil was rent. There will be no legitimate Temple in the future unless it is some kind of heavenly, non-earthly Temple. And we do see that in the book of Revelation. Jesus is the Temple--not a Temple of stone and wood.

Comment:

Where is it written that this is not to be? that it is only symbolic?

Who decides what is real and what is not? Men?? You? This is why 45,000 churches exist!

The 45,000 spiritualize away what they do not want to BE, and then division comes naturally.

FACT: unless God the Father gives understanding to a person --- they can never come to the TRUTH.
Another problem; the 45,000 have rejected the OT and without the OT the NT can not be understood.
But, very soon Jesus Christ will return as KING of Kings and open the "Book", all will understand.

 

[JohnRH]

The Kingdom is near. The Bible speaks of the impact of God's heavenly Kingdom today, and even always. But it does not say that the eschatological Kingdom is already realized. By definition it comes in the Eschaton, and not before.

And so, the Kingdom is a process, the steps of which make an impact on our world today, even before it arrives in the eschatological sense.

What did Jesus mean when he said God's Kingdom was "near?" Albert Schweitzer thought Jesus was mistaken. Others have thought the same.

What Jesus actually meant is that he was the King of this coming Kingdom, and his presence was the initial step in preparing for the eschatological Kingdom to come.

If Jesus was near in proximity to his people, being present with them on earth, then in a sense the Kingdom itself, spiritually, was near them. And he made another "hour" click off the clock in preparation for his final Coming, since his earthly work prepared the way for it to come.

The Gospel is an advance warning, providing the warning of an almost imminent event. In fact, Christ's 1st Coming means that we already have a choice to make, once we've heard that message. It in that sense makes the coming of the Kingdom near to every one of us.

The main point here is that since Jesus brought the Kingdom "near" in his 1st Coming, his work of redemption has brought his Spirit near to all of us when the Gospel is preached to us as an advance warning. When he came he brought his Spirit with him. And when he left, he left his Spirit with the Church. Jesus in that sense remains "near" to us. And it renders his judgment "near" to all of us.

We are all "near" the judgment. We have an immediate need to respond to the message and to deliver the message. That's what we should be doing.

The saints are already in the kingdom. Notice the past tense:
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: Col 1:13 (KJV)

Our marching orders are to spread the good message; not to rule with a rod of iron. We're to wait for the return of the King for that.

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, we do learn from one another and identify with one another in our common experience. About the only thing I would question here is your statement that the "new life does not reside in his earthly walk."

Okay, thank you. I see we are no longer alive to flesh first birth, yet are held alive in Father's Spirit and Truth from standing in belief it is done for us to do this new in God's Spirit and Truth, as said in John 19:30 it is finished.
Now the new life is the risen Life, the death was of Son was to reconcile us all first, before new life could ever get given to anyone, with God and Son living in us to teach us new in love and mercy done by Son for us all first to choose to do the same, yet not of self, of God's done work by Son that is done to lead us in humility to all.

What is finished? Being under Law to upholding Law as good to flow through me, you and all others who choose the new life too.
We can say as Paul said in acts 17:28 and Gal 2:20 as well as many other places as well, even Phil 3. I gave up being under Law to win Christ. No longer Paul a leader, now a follower in risen Son, giving the message of God, loving us all, period, time to respond. We are then dead to the first birth of flesh trying to be a do-gooder getting rewards from others. she see new and do not need anyone's approval but God's and that is done for us by Son to us all to choose it or not.

We pass from death to life, Father does that in us and through us. All that believe God come to see this amazing truth and become incredibly thankful for the grace given us through Son to be new in love and mercy to all too John 13:34
An exchange of life, my first born life to Father's son's risen life to lead in Father's Spirit and truth forever even while here on earth, Then forever with Father and Son in heaven
Focus on things from above. Think on what is good, correct and beneficial to your Soul, not the flesh part anymore that is dead in Father and Son. For us to be new in Father's spirit and Truth John 4:23-24
Thank you Brother in Father and Son

 

[homwardbound]

Awesome - I like that!

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Thank you, I have a drivers license
Expires never, started the cross, given in the resurrection
Thanking g Father san dSon forever, no way otherwise can I get in. Whoever is to get in under Law, would have to be a torso why?
They would have had to gouge out their eyes from lust, cut off their arms, from theft, as well as everything else
Who will become a torso to be able to enter Heaven, anyone?

If you lust after a woman Gouge out your eye, better for part of you to go to Heaven than al of you go to Hell
If your hand offends you, and thief, cut it off, better for part of you to go to Heaven, than alll of you enter Hell
The Disciples asked Jesus in Matthew 19, who saw that rich person walk away sad, not willing to give up everything to follow Son.

Jesus, Who then can be saved?

Jesus replied, with man it is impossible, with God,(His Father) all things are possible

We all here to day are after the cross, the reconciliation that happened is done for all. Now all left is to believe God between God and you personally and then once do sincerely as God knows who are and who are not will reveal himself to each in the ;love and mercy provided by Son first.
No longer under Law, now upholding Law as Said spoke about in Psalm 1
Once see, I see to not look back as Lots wife did and became table salt, little humor
Thank you Grace Ambassador pouring out real salt flavor of Father and Son

 

[randyk]

Comment:

Where is it written that this is not to be? that it is only symbolic?

Who decides what is real and what is not? Men?? You? This is why 45,000 churches exist!

The 45,000 spiritualize away what they do not want to BE, and then division comes naturally.

FACT: unless God the Father gives understanding to a person --- they can never come to the TRUTH.
Another problem; the 45,000 have rejected the OT and without the OT the NT can not be understood.
But, very soon Jesus Christ will return as KING of Kings and open the "Book", all will understand.

Let's keep this narrowed to the subject. Why would I interpret a passage to be symbolic, and not literal? It is when the context *requires* it to be understood symbolically.

As I said, the Law required the Temple to be built in Jerusalem. The Temple was destroyed by the Babylonians. This vision, seen by Ezekiel, was viewed as high on a mountain, which would not be in Jerusalem as I see it. It is therefore to be understood as a vision.