OK then tell her what there is to be jealous of. I'll stand off to the side and listen
Israel.
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OK then tell her what there is to be jealous of. I'll stand off to the side and listen
You'll disagree, so I'll save you the bother. I've disagreed with people on Calvinism, OSAS, speaking in tongues and still we can be friendly but no subject makes quicker or more solid enemies than this topic.
Maybe your side needs to learn to be a little more tolerant of others' beliefs that differ from yours and not have such totalitarian expectations.
I never condemn you for what you believe. I simply disagree with your beliefs and show from scripture why they are wrong. That becomes hate in your eyes. If I condemn you it's because of the way you behave towards others who disagree with you
Well, here's the good news for everybody here, you don't have the power to condemn anybody, or say they are demonic or evil or anything else. Nor do I. You have a Blindspot for what I say, but insults and mocking, making fun it's not exactly Christlike. Jokes about my name I tried to ignore, even had a laugh at one point, then it went lower, so I explained the name was a hymn and the insults got lower. People at some point are going to respond in kind.
What I don't understand is why people who hold Antisemitic views and more than that use Antisemitic tropes are so full of blind anger when you call them Antisemitic. Martin Luther was Antisemitic, virulently so, I'm assuming he's somewhere in heaven. Only God knows. The only people I've ever said are on their way to hell is those who have said they are atheists, those who don't believe in God and even at that, God knows their heart and they may come to Him in the end. Let's put the wizard wands away and talk like mature adults.
Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
A few theological issues to address here:
Notice that it is not 1948 Israel that the adversary accused, but the brethren within the kingdom of God, which is in Jesus.
You know that modern Israel does evil but would seek to bind our consciences religiously to hide that evil?
How is that not helping Satan?
When we bind our consciences to things that Jesus has not commanded in the name of Jesus, what we are actually doing is establishing a false Jesus.
Jesus did not command the establishment of 1948 "Israel".
He did authorize the second temple restoration, and throughout this thread we have been constantly referred back to that, as if they are one and the same.
They are entirely different in character and in purpose.
God's focal point was not the land, but the revelation of Jesus.
He used the land to that end.
The intended purpose of a false Israel is the revelation of a false Messiah.
Jesus will have no use for it when He comes, because He will arrive fully equipped.
Revelations 21:1-3
You are a slanderer to indiscriminately call people antisemitic for simply disagreeing with you and not placing Israel on a pedestal like you do. Slander is of the devil and he is the father of it.
You never answered my questions about the Parable 0f the wicked husbandmen.
That is the reason that I sent you the video of Anna.
I could have sent you a mature aged and learned Jew saying the same thing, but I thought that a kid with brains and courage would be good enough.
If you cannot hear her, neither will you hear one who rose from the dead.
What you think doesn't change anything. To try and dispel documented miracles from God to aid and defend Israel is a dangerous rabbit hole to sink into. It appears your agenda sides with those against God's slated plans for Israel which is quite futile.
For starters the significant influence, success, and resilience of the Jewish people throughout history, and the modern state of Israel's strength, have sometimes sparked envy, resentment, and hostility. Also, God's attachment to Israel and Jerusalem being His said dwelling place has made Israel a target from the very beginning. It seems petty to dislike Israel but we know the original source for this hatred, don't we?
- Genesis 3:15: This verse, the first prophecy of the Messiah, speaks of ongoing enmity between the serpent (Satan) and the "seed of the woman" (which ultimately refers to Christ, who came through the line of Israel). This sets the stage for Satan's attempts to thwart God's plan of salvation through the Jewish people.
- 1 Chronicles 21:1: This passage states, "Satan stood against Israel and incited David to number Israel," showing a direct instance of Satan working against the nation's leadership and God's will for them.
- Zechariah 3:1-2: The prophet describes a vision where Satan stands at the right hand of the high priest Joshua, ready to accuse him and oppose God's chosen people
Do the Jews in Israel have a right to their homeland, a right to defend it and to name their own capital?? Yes or no?
Why would I be jealous of their worldly successes? That's just ridiculous. Maybe you're simply projecting that onto me because you exalt them so much and set them on a pedestal
God calls earthly Jerusalem Sodom and Egypt (Revelation 11:8) so you saying he is attached to it just doesn't make sense. Just one of many things I find wrong with your beliefs
Which is why I didn't answer the question. Then he says "I never condemn you for what you believe."
I'd say He's attached to it, Jerusalem being His dwelling place...or do you dispute that too? Anyway I have no desire to continue a back & forth with those who are siding against God's objectives. And because I recognize Israel & the Jewish people as being selected by God to play a major part in History doesn't make me an idolater. This reasoning sounds like you'd say God is an idolater too
Jerusalem above is his dwelling place. Jerusalem below stopped being that nearly 2000 years ago
Yes, they did. The savior of the world came into the world through them. Now everything is about him.
Zechariah 3:2 says that “the Lord has chosen Jerusalem.” He has chosen to dwell on Mount Zion forever, according to Psalms 68:16 and 132:13–14. It is His resting place.
Scripture makes it clear that Jerusalem is where God abides—where His footstool and throne are found. Like the loving Father that He is, He makes known to his children that His heart's desire is to dwell in their midst forever!
Jesus restores it in his reign all nations will come and worship him in Jerusalem. They will come by the kings highway.
Now your stance is along with others that Israel lost the promise because of disobedience ? Am I correct?
Tell me one sin that Israel has committed that you or I have not committed. Just one. Remember break one is to break all.
All have sinned and come short...All.
Jesus did not command 1948 establishment? Did he tell you this or is that your view. As I stated in my prior post God controls all things on what will be. Just because you dont believe it doesn't mean its not true.
If God can make the universe out of nothing I'm sure he can raise up a nation again if he chooses. And he did.
The stage is set....time is short....clocks ticking. Is that what frightens you about Israel?
My stance is that true Israel continues with Christ.
Those who have lost it's promise have done so by their own choice by not believing in Jesus.
The whole world is as the holy land once was.
What Jesus commanded is in His book.
He did not command the establishment of the Papacy, yet it is there and has power.
He did not command the establishment of 1948 "Israel".
How about you?
Are you Catholic?
What frightens you about the "One True Church"?
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