Israel.

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I didn't realise it was Calvinism behind Hagee's heresy. But it absolutely makes sense. Thanks for enlightening us.

Lol Hagee is not a Calvinist, he's Pentecostal. smh Don't down Calvinists here. You pout and have a tantrum over what I say. The Calvinist will plow you under. rofl

 

[HeIsHere]

These people pontificating on the holocaust get so annoying to me, given that there is a legitimate genocide occurring in real time, worse than the holocaust from nearly a century ago these have made into a sort of religion - and being committed by those these people are supporting, and using their own heretical theology as justification - yet they insist on actual holocaust denial. Disgusting.

And everything they say is lies. "Replacement theology" - absolutely the opposite. Christ united Jews and Gentiles - One in Christ Jesus - yet these people call it "replacement".

It really is something, this can only come from a seared conscience.
Their cover is wearing thin, politicians may be under blackmail but the common person is no longer fooled, it is well documented the legal "intent."

However, there will never be a another Nuremberg because we know about the Ep****n blackmail operation, every well planned out, I will admit that much... but very disgusting.

The gentleman in the Oxford Union debate posted is an English major (was propped up as journalist) has a husband makes extremely faulty analogies, lied over and over again ... but in some people's mind those are facts.

 

[Charlesiii]

Hey, calling yourself by a kings name, doesn't make you a king! Here or anywhere else. I abide by the rules and I have said what I believe and never wavered so you can

Says she who believes that naming a modern nation "Israel" makes it the Israel of God. Hypocrisy?

 

[HeIsHere]

Lol Hagee is not a Calvinist, he's Pentecostal. smh Don't down Calvinists here. You pout and have a tantrum over what I say. The Calvinist will plow you under. rofl

Wuuuut?

 

[HeIsHere]

I didn't realise it was Calvinism behind Hagee's heresy. But it absolutely makes sense. Thanks for enlightening us.

Let me clarify, Calvinist believe all men are born blinded by God until God activates them first, .... in this sense the dispensationalists are like Calvinism in that the Jews are born blind presently.

Both are wrong.

 

[HeIsHere]

I didn't realise it was Calvinism behind Hagee's heresy. But it absolutely makes sense. Thanks for enlightening us.

It is similar in that they both do not understand/misuse/misread the letter to the Romans, each to serve their own faulty system.

 

[Charlesiii]

It is similar in that they both do not understand/misuse/misread the letter to the Romans, each to serve their own faulty system.

I understand what you mean. (Lol - I wasn't thinking all Calvinists believe as Hagee does - lol!) Effectively, Hagee's line of thinking may be if it's God's will to deceive the Jews (or those who call themselves Jews) for 2000 years, then who are Christians to intervene? Certainly a perversion of the gospel, but this is the result of faulty theology/premises.

 

[HeIsHere]

I understand what you mean. Effectively, Hagee's line of thinking could be if it's God's will to deceive the Jews (or those who call themselves Jews) for 2000 years, then who are Christians to intervene? Certainly a perversion of the gospel, but this is the result of faulty theology/premises.

It really makes no sense, makes God a moral monster..keeping them blind for 2000+ years, ridiculous.
The letter to the Romans was written to the people in Rome at that time.
All scripture is for us, but not to us .......... is the best way to read the scripture.

Gentiles _were_ grafted into Israel in the last days of the fleshly covenant-nation (AD 30-70).
Only the remnant of last-days Israel was saved (Rom. 9:27), and that happened when the remnant, and the fathers, and the grafted-into-Israel Gentiles all inherited the new Jerusalem (when the old Jerusalem fell), i.e., the kingdom that came without observation.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

These people pontificating on the holocaust get so annoying to me,

Yes, how annoying. 6 million souls murdered. We really should forget about it already. You'd feel the same way if you lost your whole family in concentration camps, right?

given that there is a legitimate genocide

Oops, you Antisemitism is showing, you might want to tuck that back in.

occurring in real time, worse than the holocaust from nearly a century ago

By all means, lets rewrite history! Say whatever we want to say, lets not let facts stop us.

these have made into a sort of religion - and being committed by those these people are supporting, and using their own heretical theology as justification -

Yes, saying bless the Jews and pray for peace in Jerusalem is a religion, you may have heard of it called CHRISTIANITY. Was started by this Jewish man...

yet they insist on actual holocaust denial. Disgusting.

Ok Candice, you just said the Holocaust wasn't legit so how are you pointing fingers. lol

And everything they say is lies.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Says she who believes that naming a modern nation "Israel" makes it the Israel of God. Hypocrisy?

I didn't write the Book, I just read it, believe it and obey it.

 

[Charlesiii]

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More nonsense. If you cared about a genocide that occurred a century ago, you'd care about the one happening today. Your virtue signalling is deceitful and annoying.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

This is a logical fallacy. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim to prove it, not on the one rejecting the claim to disprove it.

Scripture also doesn't talk of an America being formed, but it nonetheless happened. If you want to claim (like the Mormon's do) that America is God's promised land - the burden of proof is on the claimant to prove, not on everyone else to disprove. The same logic applies to the modern state of Israel.

But Scripture DOES talk about the Jews being regathered to Israel.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

More nonsense. If you cared about a genocide that occurred a century ago, you'd care about the one happening today. Your virtue signalling is deceitful and annoying.

Why is the Holocaust not legitimate to you? Why do you find it annoying?

 

[Charlesiii]

But Scripture DOES talk about the Jews being regathered to Israel.

It also talks about a promised land. It doesn't make that promised land America, in the same way it doesn't make that Israel scripture speaks of the modern state of Israel (the same way my user name doesn't make me a king of England). These are all related, but you don't get it.

Why is the Holocaust not legitimate to you? Why do you find it annoying?

What is annoying is you pretending you care, when you actually don't. Or that it's related to the discussion somehow, when its not, except for how you are denying an actual holocaust that is occurring today.

 

[HeIsHere]

@Charlesiii as you can see, anytime one points out things like the, USS Liberty, King David Hotel bombing, the Rothschild's funding, ethnic cleansing, apartheid state .. ge***de etc. etc., you are anti-semitic.

There is no reasoning.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

It also talks about a promised land. It doesn't make that promised land America, in the same way it doesn't make that Israel scripture speaks of the modern state of Israel (the same way my user name doesn't make me a king of England). These are all related, but you don't get it.

The land the Bible speaks of is Israel. They are the dry bones coming to life again. They are the nation born in a day. The apple of His eye. If you don't see the importance of Israel throughout Scripture, you are intentionally ignoring it. You'd have to rip out over half the Bible to believe as you do.

What is annoying is you pretending you care,
when you actually don't.

Listen Mr. Keyboard warrior, you don't know me, don't act like you do. YOU said the Holocaust wasn't legitimate. Man up and answer the question, why did you say that?

Or that it's related to the discussion somehow, when its not, except for how you are denying an actual holocaust that is occurring today.

You don't get to push the conversation here! Who died and made you king? There you go again, ACTUAL Holocaust. You just can't keep that Antisemitism tucked in there. smh

And as I said and you two of the goofy gang laughed... Don't even know what you're talking about and laugh.

" John Hagee is not a Calvinist; his theological views, rooted in Pentecostalism and ultra-dispensationalism...significantly different from Reformed theology. In fact, some sources indicate he and his ministry actively teach against Calvinist doctrines. "

 

[HeIsHere]

It also talks about a promised land. It doesn't make that promised land America, in the same way it doesn't make that Israel scripture speaks of the modern state of Israel (the same way my user name doesn't make me a king of England). These are all related, but you don't get it.

What is annoying is you pretending you care, when you actually don't. Or that it's related to the discussion somehow, when its not, except for how you are denying an actual holocaust that is occurring today.

Those who cannot face the reality/deny what is being done to the people in Gaza have NO moral authority to speak against abortion or any other atrocities.

 

[HeIsHere]

" John Hagee is not a Calvinist; his theological views, rooted in Pentecostalism and ultra-dispensationalism...significantly different from Reformed theology. In fact, some sources indicate he and his ministry actively teach against Calvinist doctrines. "

Me thinks once again you do not understand. sigh.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Show me scripture where a nation born in one day is not God's doing.

It doesn"t matter what scripture we show you because you don't believe what is written. You believe TV preachers' lies.

The body of Christ was born in a day at Pentecost, and Peter later called it the holy nation of God.

Nation.

Born in a day.

Couldn't be clearer.

But you still don't believe it

 

[PennEd]

@Charlesiii as you can see, anytime one points out things like the, USS Liberty, King David Hotel bombing, the Rothschild's funding, ethnic cleansing, apartheid state .. ge***de etc. etc., you are anti-semitic.

There is no reasoning.

Maybe this is the reason why. Except for the deniers of course.
Problem is, my Uncle SAW what all this Jew hatred wrought. He could barely speak about it without crying.