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The word church really should be put in the dustbin of history. The correct word is assembly, ie, a gathering

Yeah.

I wrote this here some time ago:

Didn't know if this had been covered yet;

The Greek word for “church” is ekklesia. It’s derived of two words: ek which means “out of” and kaleō which means “to call”. So, ekklesia, a noun, literally means “those called out”.

Here are some examples of the word “church” in other languages:
Spanish: iglesia
Latin: ecclesia
French: eglise
Greek: ekklesia

See how similar they are to the original Greek word?
Let’s look at the English version.

English: church

*record scratch*

What’s going on?

Why is ekklesia replaced by a word that has no structural or phonetic similarities to the original Greek word?

You can blame the original translators of the King James Version of the Bible. They were influenced by the traditions of their day. In their day, the building where the people of God met was called a “church”. This word was derived from the Germanic word kirche (there’s a whole story here that probably involves sun-goddess worship and maybe anti-Semitism but that’s another post). The translators simply used what was already familiar to the people. This is just one example of how they were influenced by the traditions of their times.

Today, we call buildings by a name God never intended: churches. And this adds confusion to the people of God.
Some blame lies with the translators of the KJV.
 
Members in a local “church”. Yes, the chosen/ called out. The kingdom is within us. My point however, is that the “church” is not the building or house, not structural, but living stones/ members.

Actually, the temple of God is made of living stones, a spiritual house. To be such stones we must offer our lives to God:

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God."

Paul was writing to the church in Rome. If being the temple of God was a consequence of believing int he Lord then there would be no need to "beseesh" anyone to offer themselves as living sacrifices.

In other words: A person may be ekklesia but they may not be walking in the kingdom.
 
Of course.

I'm not sure where our views diverge. The kingdom is the kingdom. The church is the church. If they were the same thing we would not need two different words.

Sure, they are often connected (like @ChristRoseFromTheDead wrote) but they are distinct. Sometimes churches don't walk in the kingdom so God will send them someone who can teach them foundational principles of kingdom living. A believer may be "in Christ" but the kingdom may be absent from their lives for one reason or another. That is why correction is common in the epistles.

I guess it depends on context. That’s why I chose those verses.

In the first verse, the Pharisees were more in tune with your thinking. They thought Christ would ride in gallantly with power and pageantry bringing in the kingdom:

-"Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.""
Luke 17:20-21 NKJV

This 2nd verse clarifies what kind of a kingdom He was establishing here on earth. (He never came out and bluntly stated that He was establishing a church; and certainly not a physical/ structural concept):

-"And heal the sick there, and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’ But whatever city you enter, and they do not receive you, go out into its streets and say, ‘The very dust of your city which clings to us we wipe off against you. Nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near you.’"
Luke 10:9-11 NKJV
 
Actually, the temple of God is made of living stones, a spiritual house. To be such stones we must offer our lives to God:

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God."

Paul was writing to the church in Rome. If being the temple of God was a consequence of believing int he Lord then there would be no need to "beseesh" anyone to offer themselves as living sacrifices.

In other words: A person may be ekklesia but they may not be walking in the kingdom.

Paul wrote to all the church locations, the one in Rome isn’t the Big one, just want to clarify this. Lol Many locations were in Turkey and Greece.
 
The kingdom already came, it’s the established church.

-“Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. Just as it is written: “God has given them a spirit of stupor, Eyes that they should not see And ears that they should not hear, To this very day.” And David says: “Let their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a recompense to them. Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see, and bow down their back always.””
‭‭Romans‬ ‭11‬:‭5‬, ‭7‬-‭10‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

-"Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet."
I Corinthians 15:24-25 NKJV

We are surely the building blocks per say members of that which is to come.
We are the witness of it but to say the church is goes against the unity found in the atonement.
At this present moment the king is absent but soon to return. What is a kingdom without a king.
We are the body of Christ but that body has no head even though we see Jesus as king and Lord ect the head is not attached to the body.
The second coming is when the head and body are one, now that it can be seen as the kingdom.
The church has always been referred as the body. Not Christ fully but the body. But the head controls the body.
We anticipate his glorious return to set things right, but how did it go so wrong if we preached the good news to the nations?
This is when he rules with the rod of iron....rules as in king over all....has that happened yet?
He binds Satan during this time...has that happened yet. This is what every one seems to avoid.
 
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The body of Christ has no head? smh...

And [Christ] is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Colossians 1:18
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. Colossians 2:18-19
 
The body of Christ has no head? smh...

And [Christ] is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Colossians 1:18
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. Colossians 2:18-19

As I stated we know better, I am talking about the physical kingdom of God. Here we go again off into another discussion which has yet talked about the 1000 yr reign of Christ.
 
We are surely the building blocks per say members of that which is to come.
We are the witness of it but to say the church is goes against the unity found in the atonement.
At this present moment the king is absent but soon to return. What is a kingdom without a king.
We are the body of Christ but that body has no head even though we see Jesus as king and Lord ect the head is not attached to the body.
The second coming is when the head and body are one, now that it can be seen as the kingdom.
The church has always been referred as the body. Not Christ fully but the body. But the head controls the body.
We anticipate his glorious return to set things right, but how did it go so wrong if we preached the good news to the nations?
This is when he rules with the rod of iron....rules as in king over all....has that happened yet?
He binds Satan during this time...has that happened yet. This is what every one seems to avoid.


We are living stones as Scripture has confirmed. We are not witnesses though. Only the Apostles and some early Christian’s were witnesses to those events, but we are not. Also, the head of the church IS Christ.

-“you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.”
‭‭I Peter‬ ‭2‬:‭5‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

-“For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭23‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 
We are living stones as Scripture has confirmed. We are not witnesses though. Only the Apostles and some early Christian’s were witnesses to those events, but we are not. Also, the head of the church IS Christ.

-“you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.”
‭‭I Peter‬ ‭2‬:‭5‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

-“For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭23‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Again I am talking about the physical kingdom. Christ is the head of the church yes but there will come a day when he returns that we will be no longer the body but the kingdom of God.
 
Actually, the temple of God is made of living stones, a spiritual house. To be such stones we must offer our lives to God:

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God."

Paul was writing to the church in Rome. If being the temple of God was a consequence of believing int he Lord then there would be no need to "beseesh" anyone to offer themselves as living sacrifices.

In other words: A person may be ekklesia but they may not be walking in the kingdom.
Romans12-2s.png

Romans 12 v 2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your
mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God.

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Dude I'm not talking with you anymore. I need my sanity. Please resist the urge to address me.
John 13:35, where Jesus says, "By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another". This verse emphasizes that selfless, sacrificial love—or agape—is the distinguishing mark and true evidence of being a follower of Jesus, setting them apart from the world.
Ooopsies🙏😇
 
Again I am talking about the physical kingdom. Christ is the head of the church yes but there will come a day when he returns that we will be no longer the body but the kingdom of God.
Christ is King of a Spiritual Kingdom not of this world, its within His subjects Jn 18:36

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

You are saying Jesus kingdom is of this world
 
Christ is King of a Spiritual Kingdom not of this world, its within His subjects Jn 18:36

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

You are saying Jesus kingdom is of this world
When did Jesus sit on King David’s Throne?

His Throne was a POLITICAL Throne, on EARTH.

Luke 1
32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
 
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Christ is King of a Spiritual Kingdom not of this world, its within His subjects Jn 18:36

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

You are saying Jesus kingdom is of this world

No I am saying Jesus kingdom comes to this world. The church is not the kingdom, the church are the witness of the kingdom to come.
 
No I am saying Jesus kingdom comes to this world. The church is not the kingdom, the church are the witness of the kingdom to come.

You need to back up your statements with Scripture! You know why you haven’t, because you won’t be able to find anything!!
 
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