Israel.

[CommodoreTeach]

Unfortunately, there seems to be many more on the Zionist side - but we are providing information / evidence there are just promoting the Zionist narrative - if someone doesn’t agree be hostile and tarnish them. lol but they seem to be quieting as they have no evidence to back up their claims.

More and more, their lies keep getting refuted. I understand in recent days, Netanyahoo's head of cyber security (who Netanyahoo works with closely) was arrested in America for suspected pedophillic activities, and subsequently fled to Israel after posting bail. Yet this criminal regime which blatantly harbours pedophiles (and others guilty of similarly heinous crimes) is emboldened in its blatant Satanic acts by Christians (or those calling themselves the same) who refuse to speak against these deeds as they are - Satanic, and certainly not conducted by God's chosen people.

 

[Slimsumo]

No this was part of a discussion some time ago - which some tried to twist in to an allegation and repeated again - if I recall right, it was said Jermiah is an obscure passage - my point was I’m quoting the bible – but similar to you can’t take bits and ignore others - that’s why we have scholars to understand such things.



Happy for your opinion on the points made.

Sorry I haven't paid attention to this thread in a while. But I do agree with you on the meaning of olam many times not meaning everlasting. The mosaic covenant is a great example of it. It was to be from generation to generation, forever, yet we are told in the new testament it has become obsolete.

 

[Melach]

I hate stepping away for a while in the middle of a convo. This was weeks ago but would still like to answer these




Romans 11:11
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.



Isaiah 11:11 tells us where they are if we're willing to accept what we read...and it's remnant Israel, not just jews.

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Modern names: Syria, Iraq, Iran, Egypt... are currently Muslim countries. Poland and Germany aren't mentioned.



Circular reasoning. I'm claiming they're not the people because what these people are experiencing isn't lining up with what scripture says they will be experiencing during the time of the gentiles, and you're countering by saying "no, they are the people! They're making big money!" You're essentially saying scripture is wrong and what we see is right. This is what scripture says:

Romans 11:8-10
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.


....which is a direct reference to Psalm 69:23..

Psalm 69:21-28 [brackets mine]
They poisoned my food with gall and gave me vinegar to quench my thirst. [Christ was fed vinegar]

22 May their table become a snare; may it be a retribution and a trap.

23 May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever. [idiom for servatude]

24 Pour out Your wrath upon them, and let Your burning anger overtake them.

25 May their place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in their tents.

26 For they persecute the one You struck and recount the pain of those You wounded.

27 Add iniquity to their iniquity; let them not share in Your righteousness.

28 May they be blotted out of the Book of Life and not listed with the righteous.


...a prophecy which was triggered during the gospels. If you don't believe scripture is the truth, I can help you.



^ By your own position here, aren't you also concluding that those people currently occupying the land are NOT the chosen people? They don't believe in Christ at all, and in fact mock Him. Scripture says where the remnant will be. I shared it above. Scripture also says they would not know who they are and would worship false gods (false religions).

yes i was agreeing with you.

 

[Melach]

Okey doley for you folks trying to figure out how modern Israelis could have any ties to Israel and see them as being Askenazi or European, let's take a little a little time machine trip. Thousands of years ago, there was a son of Noah called Shem who was the father of the Semites. His descendant per genealogy records in the Bible was Abraham. Abraham was called out of Ur to Canaan ( land territory of modern Israel). Fast forward, Roman Empire days, called Palestina. Still home of Jews.In 70 AD invaded by Pompei, Jews fleeing in the Great Dispersion as prophesied by Jesus in the Gospels. A trickle return but the majority begin the trek home after the Holocaust. Then, there was conflict with partition plans, the UN. Finally, in 1948 statehood but no Jerusalem as their holy city until 1967.
So, the original Jews lived in the land all the way to Abraham, thousands of years ago.
I have Irish ancestry, Native American ancestry, and possibly Jewish-Germsn ancestry, so my roots started somewhere else. Because I dont live in Ireland makes me no less Irish. Even my American right to be here could be technically challenged as I am only about 1/16th Native Amercan and this country is less than 300 years old. I think Jewish ancestry dating thousands of years back to Canaan (Israel) certainly have God-given rights.

shouldnt you have a claim to israel then too? in this aliyah movement we are going by a fraction of a percentage. by that logic i should be able to claim mongolia as my own because i have 1% mongolian dna. this is some white people stuff right here. whites hate themselves so much they take a dna test and find out they are allegedly 20% something else and claim that 20% despite never growing up in that culture and not speaking that language. the juden brainwashing and anti-white propaganda is working.

some guy sent in iguana's dna to one of these dna companies and turns out that iguana was 44% ashkenazi jewish. someone get that iguana to israel asap.

the bible doesnt have any dna and doesnt care about it. the bible cares about genealogies in the old testament and if you dont have one and cant prove who you are, you are not considered an israelite.

in the new testament we no longer care about genealogies. the only one that matters is Christ. our dna or lineage is trash and worthless as st.paul said.

 

[Needevidence]

More and more, their lies keep getting refuted. I understand in recent days, Netanyahoo's head of cyber security (who Netanyahoo works with closely) was arrested in America for suspected pedophillic activities, and subsequently fled to Israel after posting bail. Yet this criminal regime which blatantly harbours pedophiles (and others guilty of similarly heinous crimes) is emboldened in its blatant Satanic acts by Christians (or those calling themselves the same) who refuse to speak against these deeds as they are - Satanic, and certainly not conducted by God's chosen people.

Yes that right - Tom Artiom Alexandrovich, a senior official in Israel’s National Cyber Directorate - Nevada undercover operation "targeting child sex predators,"

Fled as many others before him have to Israel who will refuse to return him to face charges.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Or there are more of us than all of the Zionists who wouldn't condemn the pedophilia and other Satanic acts committed by the state of Israel And I've counted about 3 of us, against 10 or so posters who still won't condemn the dark deeds of the modern state of Israel.

And this is why buddy here won't get an apology, because he lies. YOUR OPINION WITH NO PROOF against Israel means 0, zip, nothing!!! Stop with the lying that people wouldn't condemn pedos. People don't agree with your PROPAGANDA!!! Stop being sick, no one would agree with molesting a child but Hamas terrorists. Get a life man!

 

[Melach]

Yeah, I see you mostly in the News forum!

What's hilarious is that they think sending emoji approvals to each other's posts will turn things their way, or giving the appearance that there are more people on their side than on God's.

But time and again, God has defeated wicked people with just one or very few of His people.

PS - It's pretty clear by now who they really serve....

are you seriously trying to say that being a zionist is a requirement to salvation?

believe in the modern state of israel filled to the brim with americans and polish people who reject the old testament and believe the talmud and are identical to muslims in their superiority complex and "scriptures" and thou shalt be saved

 

[Slimsumo]

This poster said Scripture cannot be trusted as written because parts of it were written by "lying scribes". That's really all you need to know about her/him.


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Dec 20, 2023
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PennEd said:
Genesis 22:2

New King James Version
2 Then He said, “Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.”
WHAT God didn’t know Abraham already had a son! when he calls him ‘thy seed’ and will make him a great nation? That’s the problem with Genesis - too many issues - probably because it was written hundreds of years after Moses – by the - Jeremiah 8:8 .......But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.

I will comment on this since this wasn't discussed in the original thread by the looks of it:

When it says 'only' son Isaac, it says so because Isaac was the only son of promise. Ishmael was born of the flesh.

 

[CommodoreTeach]

are you seriously trying to say that being a zionist is a requirement to salvation?

It really does seem to me that for some, it is a different (and false) religion/gospel. Sort of a Judaism-lite, without the requirement for rules like circumcision, so as not to dissuade the simps.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

That's the same (blasphemous) argument as saying by God's Almighty providence, those on the Epstein list have gotten away with their dark deeds. Don't confuse the prospering of the wicked with God's blessing. Two very different things.

What are you twisting now??! One issue has nothing to do with the other at all!! God promised an unconditional promise to bring the Jews back to their homeland, to re-gather them. You'd have to be utterly stupid not to read the Bible and understand that. They are in their homeland again after how many years? Never happened to any other nation. The Bible is 110% clear, they will return to the land. They did that in 48. God said Israel would never cease to be a nation before Him. Israel is the nation born in a day, the dry bones come to life. And all your hate is not going to stop God's will. So you all can have whatever tantrum you want, and hold your breath till you turn blue but the Father has a plan and your feelings and opinions don't matter. Period.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

are you seriously trying to say that being a zionist is a requirement to salvation?

Hardliners are calling it blasphemy

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Exactly. Trying to claim unbelieving Jews are God's chosen people or Christians should bless the modern state of Israel is just modern-day Judaising with the circumcision requirement dropped (hypocritical, as well as outright absurd).

Man I don't know what you teach but I sure hope it isn't the Bible. Is THIS Judaising???

I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.
God did not reject his people...
Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all!
...do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.

And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them !!!!!!!!
when I take away their sins.”

As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.!!!!!!!

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Man I don't know what you teach but I sure hope it isn't the Bible. Is THIS Judaising???

The way you read it, yes it is because you've been tricked into looking at the bible the way unbelieving Jews do

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

It really does seem to me that for some, it is a different (and false) religion/gospel. Sort of a Judaism-lite, without the requirement for rules like circumcision, so as not to dissuade the simps.

CT doesn't speak for anyone here but himself. And so far most of what he's said have been lies and propaganda. And apparently the "teach" can't read because he doesn't seem to know what the Bible says.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Yes it is because you've been tricked into looking at the bible the way unbelieving Jews do

Yes Romans 11 is Judaising??? lol Get outta here!! smh

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

are you seriously trying to say that being a zionist is a requirement to salvation?

believe in the modern state of israel filled to the brim with americans and polish people who reject the old testament and believe the talmud and are identical to muslims in their superiority complex and "scriptures" and thou shalt be saved

Does Israel have a right to exist??? Do they have a right to a homeland??? A right to live in peace??? God said Israel would NEVER cease to be a nation before him. God said He would re-gather and restore so they would NEVER be uprooted again. So according to you lot God is a Zionist Judaiser!!!

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Yes Romans 11 is Judaising??? lol Get outta here!! smh

The way you read it, it most definitely is

 

[HeIsHere]

Many terrible empires have lasted much longer, so God protected them as well?

God protecting a modern secular state, slowly starving another group of people, has to be they height of self-delusion.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The way you read it, it most definitely is

I am quoting the Bible. That passage is directly from the Bible. What do you mean the way I read it.

 

[HeIsHere]

And I've counted about 3 of us, against 10 or so posters who still won't condemn the dark deeds of the modern state of Israel.

The truly harrowing part is using the God's word to justify, deny and provide cover for atrocities.

And that is the difference we do not use God's word to provide cover for the atrocities of Hamas or other terrorists groups

BUT they DO for the terrorists action of their "pet" state going back to 1940's

I cannot even bring myself to use a biblical name for it.