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This poster said Scripture cannot be trusted as written because parts of it were written by "lying scribes". That's really all you need to know about her/him.
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PennEd said:
Genesis 22:2
New King James Version
2 Then He said, “Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.”
WHAT God didn’t know Abraham already had a son! when he calls him ‘thy seed’ and will make him a great nation? That’s the problem with Genesis - too many issues - probably because it was written hundreds of years after Moses – by the - Jeremiah 8:8 .......But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.
I agree. It's just so frustrating because there are those who take what's said without investigating it. And while it is their responsibility to do so, falsehoods still should not be posted. No cheating allowed when it comes to the Word!
This may/may not be my last response in this forum. Here's the problem here. It's a back and forth, gotcha last. Instead of sticking with biblical truth, it's your guy against my guy.
First, without calling names, the last two administration's have been deplorable. The current administration has stood in Charlotte, NC before his first election and taken God's name
In vain, trash talks evangelicals (see Ben Sasse, a devotee of his, who in an off record interview disclosed this). Others have conferred. Then, there are all the criminal charges. Grandma used to say, where there's smoke there's bound to be fire. His back and forth with dictatorial leaders he admires. His connections and trust of Vlad. His almost incestuous remarks about his daughter. He makes all decisions based on how it benefits him.
And based on his own statements about his personal Vietnam re: his fear of contracting a sensually transmitted disease by of sleeping with so many, dont kid yourself he's assuredly sent many women to the abortion clinic maybe some of Epsteins girls.
Now, the last administration.pro same sex marraige, pro transgenderism, pro abortion, extremely liberal and oppositional to Christian values.
Both admits, not really friends of Israel! Only operating on what benefits them moment by moment. Oh and let's not forget the economy. It was so bad before, right? We'll have ya been to the grocery store lately, paid your utility bills, etc. Im robbing piggy banks at times. People said, and at one time I was one of them, everyone shoukd vote even if itsvthe lesser of two evils, but as a pastor who is much smarter than me said, we aren't supposed to vote for evil at all!
Now, I realize, this is an Israel forum and I think it's obvious where I stand. I believe God, Jesus, and the Precious Holy Spirit love all people, not our deeds but us!!! But He does have plans for individuals and people groups and nations. He decided to make a covenant with Abraham calling him out from Ur to a land He would show him. He made a land covenant with him and told him that through Abraham's descendants all people's would be blessed. Jesus fulfills this because He came as a descendant of Adam, Abraham, David, etc. The Lord orchestrated where His Son would be born. Bethleham of Judea (House of bread of praise). In Genesis, God even divides Abraham's 2 sons, he makes Ishmael father of 12 nations and Isaac the promised son, whose descendants would eventually inherit the land foremost belonging to God but bequeathed to Israel(ironically, what Jacob's name was changed to, meaning "As a prince has thou piwer with God.").
God sent prophets, priests, kings, average folks to warn His people about their sins and rebellion. He sent prophetic promises of a Messiah who would come from these people. He would fulfill 3 roles, He would be prophet like Moses (see Deut. 18), He is our Great High Priest (Hebrews many places) in that He offered Hinsrlf as our sacrifice, and King(mtitudinous references to His reigning as King, Son of David in Gospels, Zechariah 9, and Revelation as King of Kings and Lord of Lords).
Obviously, even individuals in the OT saw it. In Numbers 24, Moses speaks of seeing a star rise out of Jacob (a reference to Messiah), Isaiah 7, 9, 11, and 53 just to name a few speak of Messiah's birth, roles, and Isaiah 53 reads as if Isaiah has already seen the finished work of Christ as he states, "And with His stripes we ARE healed."
Then, in the NT, the book of Matthew is prolific as He was inspired by the Spirit to give so many references to Messiah and His coming. Many not only center on what Messiah will do but His earthly dwelling places (i.e. Bethleham and Nazareth to bane a few) and His connection to Judah. The Gospels portray Jesus in the synagogues sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. His ministry birthed tge ministry of His own Apostles who would evangelize the whole world. Others like Paul and Barnabas would be called. The first to receive the power and filling of the Holy Spirit were the 12 disciples in the Upper Room. This would empower them to evangelize the world. Paul, as I mentioned in an earlier text, was predominantly called to the Gentiles, but never gave up his urgency and declarations about the Jews bring saved especially in the book of Romans. In the Gospels we read of " the time of the Gentiles being fulfilled in Luke 21. There is debate as to whether this was 1948 when Israel declared statehood or 1967 when Israel acquired Jerusalem. In 1967, they simply walked through the "Lion's Gate" and took Jerusalem. There's a great documentary called In Our Hands about this.
Another former US President advocated for giving Jerusalem back to the former modern occupiers to which Israel's PM had to give a little history lesson about Israel's security. Again, the Gospels also mention the blooming fig tree most often representative of Israel in Scripture. It budded in 1948. Generations in more modern times prior to 1948 wondered how this fulfillment would ever occur but it did. Jesus predicted wars and rumors of wars which we see now in the ME and all over the world. Another future attack will occur against Israel when she is dwelling in safety known as the Gog/Magog war in Ez 37-39. There's so much more Biblical, spiritual, prophetical, and natural material that could be shared re: Israel and God's plan for her as a nation but mostly as the people after God's own heart, the natural branches who are partially and will be further regrafted into the natural branch.
Has Israel been stiff necjed at times? Absolutely! Has she rebelled against God at times? Absolutely! Before you were saved, were you stiffnecked, rebellious, living in sin? I was!
If Jesus sitting on the Mt.Olives wept over Jerusalem, if He asked the Father to forgive them from the Cross, if He called them to preach the Gospel, and if He elaborated about His posts for them in the End Times through His Spirit-inspired Word, Im not ready to give up on them! Im ready to have more friends in the kingdom of God, to see the beautiful symbolism God was showing us about Hinself through the Hebrew Scriptures, and to await His return, as Paul says in I Timothy 4, to love His appearing!
First, without calling names, the last two administration's have been deplorable. The current administration has stood in Charlotte, NC before his first election and taken God's name
In vain, trash talks evangelicals (see Ben Sasse, a devotee of his, who in an off record interview disclosed this). Others have conferred. Then, there are all the criminal charges. Grandma used to say, where there's smoke there's bound to be fire. His back and forth with dictatorial leaders he admires. His connections and trust of Vlad. His almost incestuous remarks about his daughter. He makes all decisions based on how it benefits him.
And based on his own statements about his personal Vietnam re: his fear of contracting a sensually transmitted disease by of sleeping with so many, dont kid yourself he's assuredly sent many women to the abortion clinic maybe some of Epsteins girls.
Now, the last administration.pro same sex marraige, pro transgenderism, pro abortion, extremely liberal and oppositional to Christian values.
Both admits, not really friends of Israel! Only operating on what benefits them moment by moment. Oh and let's not forget the economy. It was so bad before, right? We'll have ya been to the grocery store lately, paid your utility bills, etc. Im robbing piggy banks at times. People said, and at one time I was one of them, everyone shoukd vote even if itsvthe lesser of two evils, but as a pastor who is much smarter than me said, we aren't supposed to vote for evil at all!
Now, I realize, this is an Israel forum and I think it's obvious where I stand. I believe God, Jesus, and the Precious Holy Spirit love all people, not our deeds but us!!! But He does have plans for individuals and people groups and nations. He decided to make a covenant with Abraham calling him out from Ur to a land He would show him. He made a land covenant with him and told him that through Abraham's descendants all people's would be blessed. Jesus fulfills this because He came as a descendant of Adam, Abraham, David, etc. The Lord orchestrated where His Son would be born. Bethleham of Judea (House of bread of praise). In Genesis, God even divides Abraham's 2 sons, he makes Ishmael father of 12 nations and Isaac the promised son, whose descendants would eventually inherit the land foremost belonging to God but bequeathed to Israel(ironically, what Jacob's name was changed to, meaning "As a prince has thou piwer with God.").
God sent prophets, priests, kings, average folks to warn His people about their sins and rebellion. He sent prophetic promises of a Messiah who would come from these people. He would fulfill 3 roles, He would be prophet like Moses (see Deut. 18), He is our Great High Priest (Hebrews many places) in that He offered Hinsrlf as our sacrifice, and King(mtitudinous references to His reigning as King, Son of David in Gospels, Zechariah 9, and Revelation as King of Kings and Lord of Lords).
Obviously, even individuals in the OT saw it. In Numbers 24, Moses speaks of seeing a star rise out of Jacob (a reference to Messiah), Isaiah 7, 9, 11, and 53 just to name a few speak of Messiah's birth, roles, and Isaiah 53 reads as if Isaiah has already seen the finished work of Christ as he states, "And with His stripes we ARE healed."
Then, in the NT, the book of Matthew is prolific as He was inspired by the Spirit to give so many references to Messiah and His coming. Many not only center on what Messiah will do but His earthly dwelling places (i.e. Bethleham and Nazareth to bane a few) and His connection to Judah. The Gospels portray Jesus in the synagogues sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. His ministry birthed tge ministry of His own Apostles who would evangelize the whole world. Others like Paul and Barnabas would be called. The first to receive the power and filling of the Holy Spirit were the 12 disciples in the Upper Room. This would empower them to evangelize the world. Paul, as I mentioned in an earlier text, was predominantly called to the Gentiles, but never gave up his urgency and declarations about the Jews bring saved especially in the book of Romans. In the Gospels we read of " the time of the Gentiles being fulfilled in Luke 21. There is debate as to whether this was 1948 when Israel declared statehood or 1967 when Israel acquired Jerusalem. In 1967, they simply walked through the "Lion's Gate" and took Jerusalem. There's a great documentary called In Our Hands about this.
Another former US President advocated for giving Jerusalem back to the former modern occupiers to which Israel's PM had to give a little history lesson about Israel's security. Again, the Gospels also mention the blooming fig tree most often representative of Israel in Scripture. It budded in 1948. Generations in more modern times prior to 1948 wondered how this fulfillment would ever occur but it did. Jesus predicted wars and rumors of wars which we see now in the ME and all over the world. Another future attack will occur against Israel when she is dwelling in safety known as the Gog/Magog war in Ez 37-39. There's so much more Biblical, spiritual, prophetical, and natural material that could be shared re: Israel and God's plan for her as a nation but mostly as the people after God's own heart, the natural branches who are partially and will be further regrafted into the natural branch.
Has Israel been stiff necjed at times? Absolutely! Has she rebelled against God at times? Absolutely! Before you were saved, were you stiffnecked, rebellious, living in sin? I was!
If Jesus sitting on the Mt.Olives wept over Jerusalem, if He asked the Father to forgive them from the Cross, if He called them to preach the Gospel, and if He elaborated about His posts for them in the End Times through His Spirit-inspired Word, Im not ready to give up on them! Im ready to have more friends in the kingdom of God, to see the beautiful symbolism God was showing us about Hinself through the Hebrew Scriptures, and to await His return, as Paul says in I Timothy 4, to love His appearing!
No, I debunked your meaning of everlasting. I didn't misunderstand.
Abraham was a Gentile who was chosen by God to be the ancestor of the Jewish people.
Judaism is the religion of the Jews. Not hard to understand. How does that change anything?!
No, it can't. God was talking about the covenant people that He chose. The Bible tell who the lineage when through and who was chosen and who wasn't.
Abrahamic Covenant was unconditional. Broken record with you.
Several of us have already debunked that lie the first time. That
has been swirling around the toilet of anti-Jew lies for a long time now. And then comes some nube who hasn't heard it's been debunked.https://geneticliteracyproject.org/...xtinct-kingdom-of-khazaria-or-ancient-israel/
I don't know if you're lying or you honestly don't know the difference.
That's propaganda, flat out lie. The numbers are given by Hamas, and we know they will tell the truth to the world. Terrorists are a good source for truth. They would never lie to make their enemy look bad.
Oh good Lord how can we converse if you're just going to keep lying?! Israel HAS NOT banned DNA people, Google it!!
What a broken record you are. smh Let's debunk it again.
https://genealogyvoyage.com/special...am-the-father-of-nations-and-his-descendants/
Root: עוֹלָם
Sounds like: o-LAM
How do you define forever… continually eternal… always everlasting… Hebrew has two main words that capture this concept of forever, ad/ed and olam. In fact, you often see these words together. Forever and ever is olam wa’ed. Today we will look specifically at how and when olam is used in Hebrew scriptures.
There are certain things that have olam attached to them, things that Biblical authors really want to hit home. The following are scriptural definites… forever, eternal, sureties. They are:
- YHWH’s Name is forever
- And He exists forever as our eternal King
- YHWH’s Word is forever
- YHWH’s Covenant promises are forever
- Including: the line of David’s throne is forever
- YHWH’s Salvation is forever
- YHWH’s LOVE is forever
YHWH’s Covenant is forever…
YHWH created relationship covenants between Himself and humanity. He tells Abraham:
Genesis 17:7-8
“I will establish My covenant as an everlasting (olam) covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.
And to you and your descendants I will give the land of your sojourn—all the land of Canaan—as an eternal (olam) possession; and I will be their God.”
Says history since 1948. Since you reject God's word on the subject, perhaps actual events will convince you. I doubt it as you are deluded.
No, I debunked your meaning of everlasting. I didn't misunderstand.
Abraham was a Gentile who was chosen by God to be the ancestor of the Jewish people.
Judaism is the religion of the Jews. Not hard to understand. How does that change anything?!
No, it can't. God was talking about the covenant people that He chose. The Bible tell who the lineage when through and who was chosen and who wasn't.
Abrahamic Covenant was unconditional. Broken record with you.
Several of us have already debunked that lie the first time. That
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/...xtinct-kingdom-of-khazaria-or-ancient-israel/
I don't know if you're lying or you honestly don't know the difference.
That's propaganda, flat out lie. The numbers are given by Hamas, and we know they will tell the truth to the world. Terrorists are a good source for truth. They would never lie to make their enemy look bad.
Oh good Lord how can we converse if you're just going to keep lying?! Israel HAS NOT banned DNA people, Google it!!
What a broken record you are. smh Let's debunk it again.
https://genealogyvoyage.com/special...am-the-father-of-nations-and-his-descendants/
Root: עוֹלָם
Sounds like: o-LAM
How do you define forever… continually eternal… always everlasting… Hebrew has two main words that capture this concept of forever, ad/ed and olam. In fact, you often see these words together. Forever and ever is olam wa’ed. Today we will look specifically at how and when olam is used in Hebrew scriptures.
There are certain things that have olam attached to them, things that Biblical authors really want to hit home. The following are scriptural definites… forever, eternal, sureties. They are:
- YHWH’s Name is forever
- And He exists forever as our eternal King
- YHWH’s Word is forever
- YHWH’s Covenant promises are forever
- Including: the line of David’s throne is forever
- YHWH’s Salvation is forever
- YHWH’s LOVE is forever
YHWH’s Covenant is forever…
YHWH created relationship covenants between Himself and humanity. He tells Abraham:
Genesis 17:7-8
“I will establish My covenant as an everlasting (olam) covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.
And to you and your descendants I will give the land of your sojourn—all the land of Canaan—as an eternal (olam) possession; and I will be their God.”
Okey doley for you folks trying to figure out how modern Israelis could have any ties to Israel and see them as being Askenazi or European, let's take a little a little time machine trip. Thousands of years ago, there was a son of Noah called Shem who was the father of the Semites. His descendant per genealogy records in the Bible was Abraham. Abraham was called out of Ur to Canaan ( land territory of modern Israel). Fast forward, Roman Empire days, called Palestina. Still home of Jews.In 70 AD invaded by Pompei, Jews fleeing in the Great Dispersion as prophesied by Jesus in the Gospels. A trickle return but the majority begin the trek home after the Holocaust. Then, there was conflict with partition plans, the UN. Finally, in 1948 statehood but no Jerusalem as their holy city until 1967.
So, the original Jews lived in the land all the way to Abraham, thousands of years ago.
I have Irish ancestry, Native American ancestry, and possibly Jewish-Germsn ancestry, so my roots started somewhere else. Because I dont live in Ireland makes me no less Irish. Even my American right to be here could be technically challenged as I am only about 1/16th Native Amercan and this country is less than 300 years old. I think Jewish ancestry dating thousands of years back to Canaan (Israel) certainly have God-given rights.
So, the original Jews lived in the land all the way to Abraham, thousands of years ago.
I have Irish ancestry, Native American ancestry, and possibly Jewish-Germsn ancestry, so my roots started somewhere else. Because I dont live in Ireland makes me no less Irish. Even my American right to be here could be technically challenged as I am only about 1/16th Native Amercan and this country is less than 300 years old. I think Jewish ancestry dating thousands of years back to Canaan (Israel) certainly have God-given rights.
Can’t argue the points in debate so try to tarnish – great job!
You’re taking the point out of context with the discussion, happy for you to show the whole discussion - point being made is God obviously knows everything & Jeremiah 8:8 I’m quoting the bible - do you not believe it?
Could you also help with the difference in the MT & DSS below – which one is correct?
8:6 MT (Masoretic Text) reads: "Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him."
DSS
6 You shall keep the commandments of Yahweh your God, to walk in his ways, and to love him.
Is your thesis that the Old Testament is corrupted? My question would then be, how do you pick and choose what is true and what is not?
No, I debunked your meaning of everlasting. I didn't misunderstand.
Abraham was a Gentile who was chosen by God to be the ancestor of the Jewish people.
Judaism is the religion of the Jews. Not hard to understand. How does that change anything?!
No, it can't. God was talking about the covenant people that He chose. The Bible tell who the lineage when through and who was chosen and who wasn't.
Abrahamic Covenant was unconditional. Broken record with you.
Several of us have already debunked that lie the first time. That
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/...xtinct-kingdom-of-khazaria-or-ancient-israel/
I don't know if you're lying or you honestly don't know the difference.
That's propaganda, flat out lie. The numbers are given by Hamas, and we know they will tell the truth to the world. Terrorists are a good source for truth. They would never lie to make their enemy look bad.
Oh good Lord how can we converse if you're just going to keep lying?! Israel HAS NOT banned DNA people, Google it!!
What a broken record you are. smh Let's debunk it again.
https://genealogyvoyage.com/special...am-the-father-of-nations-and-his-descendants/
Root: עוֹלָם
Sounds like: o-LAM
How do you define forever… continually eternal… always everlasting… Hebrew has two main words that capture this concept of forever, ad/ed and olam. In fact, you often see these words together. Forever and ever is olam wa’ed. Today we will look specifically at how and when olam is used in Hebrew scriptures.
There are certain things that have olam attached to them, things that Biblical authors really want to hit home. The following are scriptural definites… forever, eternal, sureties. They are:
- YHWH’s Name is forever
- And He exists forever as our eternal King
- YHWH’s Word is forever
- YHWH’s Covenant promises are forever
- Including: the line of David’s throne is forever
- YHWH’s Salvation is forever
- YHWH’s LOVE is forever
YHWH’s Covenant is forever…
YHWH created relationship covenants between Himself and humanity. He tells Abraham:
Genesis 17:7-8
“I will establish My covenant as an everlasting (olam) covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.
And to you and your descendants I will give the land of your sojourn—all the land of Canaan—as an eternal (olam) possession; and I will be their God.”
I won’t bother responding to most as you have only expressed your opinion or opinions of others - no evidence.
As to the 'forever'
You seem to have copied from the web page ‘Hebrew word lessons’ – but overlooked mentioning it refers to - Strong's 5769 – so why not go to that instead?
Other points you have ignored;
Why the need of a ‘New Covenant’?
Why the ‘UNTIL’ – if forever?
Circumcise – if ‘forever’ – putting aside the argument that Jesus fulfilled everything – will this be still required when Jesus returns?
Another or many examples:
Jonah 2:6
To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever [olam]. But you, LORD my God, brought my life up from the pit.
Forever OR three days and three nights (Jonah 1:17)?
I have posted you things which you haven’t replied then after a time come up with pointless remarks - what point do you wish to discuss - pick a topic!
Many terrible empires have lasted much longer, so God protected them as well?
This implies there are fewer of us (taking your warped perspective that you are on God's side)...
And this speaks the fact that God does not rely on numbers, indeed, He prefers to avoid them so He gets the glory.But time and again, God has defeated wicked people with just one or very few of His people.
So what is it, 2ndTimeIsTheCharm? We are the few defeating the many, because we are speaking the truth of God's scripture rather than many Zionists who are twisting his words?
Or there are more of us than all of the Zionists who wouldn't condemn the pedophilia and other Satanic acts committed by the state of Israel (as referred to in ZNP's now discontinued thread)? Because there isn't much glory for God if we're winning because of our numbers, even you admit that much. And I've counted about 3 of us, against 10 or so posters who still won't condemn the dark deeds of the modern state of Israel.
That's the same (blasphemous) argument as saying by God's Almighty providence, those on the Epstein list have gotten away with their dark deeds. Don't confuse the prospering of the wicked with God's blessing. Two very different things.
No this was part of a discussion some time ago - which some tried to twist in to an allegation and repeated again - if I recall right, it was said Jermiah is an obscure passage - my point was I’m quoting the bible – but similar to you can’t take bits and ignore others - that’s why we have scholars to understand such things.
Happy for your opinion on the points made.
Exactly. Trying to claim unbelieving Jews are God's chosen people or Christians should bless the modern state of Israel is just modern-day Judaising with the circumcision requirement dropped (hypocritical, as well as outright absurd).
Unfortunately, there seems to be many more on the Zionist side - but we are providing information / evidence there are just promoting the Zionist narrative - if someone doesn’t agree be hostile and tarnish them. lol but they seem to be quieting as they have no evidence to back up their claims.
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