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They broke their word to Israel with promised land. And look at them today. The Canadian Prime Minister said he would arrest Netanyahu if he set foot in Canada. I said to my hubby then "Well that's the end of his career". Not even a week later, Trudeau resigned and no one has heard of him since. There was a politician in Canada. He promised that if he became PM he would do as Trump did and recognize Jerusalem as Israels capital by moving their embassy. When he got in office, he broke that promise. He had one of the shortest terms as PM in Canada. I don't believe these issues to be coincidences.

Isn't the antichrist prophesied to control the nations as a dictator, per futurist eschatology?
 
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I showed you in the verse I quoted - the spirits of just men made perfect are residing in heaven. That means every righteous man from Adam unto the day Hebrews was written, and until now and until the lord returns with them to set up his everlasting kingdom.

Jesus was anointed king of Israel by God, not man, on the mount of transfiguration. Afterwards a remnant of Israel welcomed their king to Jerusalem.
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And he was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. Matthew 16:28-17:1-2
And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen; Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest. Luke 19:37-38

OK I see where your coming from and can see why you might draw this conclusion. But did you consider that Jesus first coming was as the suffering servant. Not to be crowned king?. But to call all to repent? His first coming is as the lamb of God.
His second as the lion of Judah.
It's been my practice when expounding on events in scripture to apply them to fundamental truths. Which are basic grounded facts.
This keeps me in the narrow prospective. Not reading into my own interpretation. Which I have done in the past and been corrected a time or two.
If I had seen this supernatural event I'd be praising and blessing just as sure as you probably, but sad to say that was not the mission. It was not Gods intent. Gods intent was to bring salvation.
In the days of creations the Lord says he has appointed times seasons and feast point to them. Signs and wonders point to them coming.
 
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God told Ezekiel He would resurrect physical Israel and showed Ezekiel dead bones that began developing into living Jews.

incorrect. They rose as the whole house of Israel (i.e., more than one tribe). The passage goes on to describe how both houses will be unified by the Son of Man, and that there will no longer be hostility between them (as was the case in the OT).

I'm going to start being a nitpicker because it really is true what Messiah said: "a little leaven leavens the whole lump". These seemingly minor errors lead us down slippery slopes of false doctrines like we're currently contending with.
 
I don't know if this is theologically correct, because some or maybe all of these people have saving faith in Christ. But its like how can Christians not see? How can Christians not perceive this? How can Christians say that? While Stephen talked about the Pharisees in his day having uncircumcised hearts and ears, I think those in our day have uncircumcised eyes and mouths in addition (or at least fingers, giving typing rather than physically talking).

The delision and falling away were prophesied. My take.
 
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Jesus was anointed king of Israel by God, not man, on the mount of transfiguration.
Not anywhere in the text. Luke 9 (also in Matthew 17).

About eight days after Jesus had said these things, He took with Him Peter, John, and James, and went up
on a mountain to pray. 29And as He was praying, the appearance of His face changed, and His clothes
became radiantly white. 30Suddenly two men, Moses and Elijah, began talking with Jesus. 31They
appeared in glory and spoke about His departure, which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem.


32Meanwhile Peter and his companions were overcome by sleep, but when they awoke, they saw
Jesus’ glory and the two men standing with Him. 33As Moses and Elijah were leaving, Peter said to
Jesus, “Master, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters—one for You, one for Moses,
and one for Elijah.” (He did not know what he was saying.)


34While Peter was speaking, a cloud appeared and enveloped them, and they were afraid as they entered
the cloud. 35And a voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is My Son, whom I have chosen. Listen to Him!”


36After the voice had spoken, only Jesus was present with them. The disciples kept
this to themselves, and in those days they did not tell anyone what they had seen.
 
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Nope, this I would not agree with. That the present unbelieve of the jews will have an end one day. The bible says! So that means not that Israel is not longer his choosen Nation. If you notice the history of Israel you find that this nation Was the most time not fing what God said. In Hesekiel we find a nice word which often is repeatet: unruly!,
But still God holds his Hand uppon them. And carry them through. If not, this nation would have had an end centurys ago.
The nations will march against Israel. This has to come. So we must not wonder what we see today. BUT, Jesus himself will rescue them. Btw, the Antichrist will come before this will happen. So the bible says.

What if the current state isn't a work of the Almighty at all? What if it's actually a work of satan?

What if satan was cast to earth the moment Christ ascended to heaven in the 1st century, and all this time satan has had wrath for the people the Messiah came from?

What if it is true that satan has a legal claim to all kingdoms of man as long as the Messiah isn't here in the flesh?

What if all this time, satan has spent centuries orchestrating his kingdoms to establish one as his own chosen kingdom - part of his grand scheme of deceiving the whole world? Even going as far as to sacrifice a significant percentage of its population to establish that kingdom as an "eternal victim", immune to any future scrutiny, criticism, or condemnation?

What if that chosen kingdom has all the characteristics of Antichrist, but because of a further deception, those taking watch are looking for a single man rather than a kingdom, while giving an actual "antichrist" nation grace simply because of the name they've claimed? What if this kingdom behaves as dictatorial as we've already been told "The Antichrist" would behave: quelling free speech, punishing dissent, ignoring laws and treaties, making criticism illegal, and instilling fear in any who opposes?

What if those who are at the mercy of "the state" are the true descendants of the Jews, and the prophetic doctrine of "the beast warring with the saints" is continuing to play out year after year exactly as prophesied, only the names have been changed?
 
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What if that chosen kingdom has all the characteristics of Antichrist, but because of a further deception, those taking watch are looking for a single man rather than a kingdom, while giving an actual "antichrist" nation grace simply because of the name they've claimed? What if this kingdom behaves as dictatorial as we've already been told "The Antichrist" would behave: quelling free speech, punishing dissent, ignoring laws and treaties, making criticism illegal, and instilling fear in any who opposes?

Best questions ever! :)
 
What if the current state isn't a work of the Almighty at all? What if it's actually a work of satan?

What if satan was cast to earth the moment Christ ascended to heaven in the 1st century, and all this time satan has had wrath for the people the Messiah came from?

What if it is true that satan has a legal claim to all kingdoms of man as long as the Messiah isn't here in the flesh?

What if all this time, satan has spent centuries orchestrating his kingdoms to establish one as his own chosen kingdom - part of his grand scheme of deceiving the whole world? Even going as far as to sacrifice a significant percentage of its population to establish that kingdom as an "eternal victim", immune to any future scrutiny, criticism, or condemnation?

What if that chosen kingdom has all the characteristics of Antichrist, but because of a further deception, those taking watch are looking for a single man rather than a kingdom, while giving an actual "antichrist" nation grace simply because of the name they've claimed? What if this kingdom behaves as dictatorial as we've already been told "The Antichrist" would behave: quelling free speech, punishing dissent, ignoring laws and treaties, making criticism illegal, and instilling fear in any who opposes?

What if those who are at the mercy of "the state" are the true descendants of the Jews, and the prophetic doctrine of "the beast warring with the saints" is continuing to play out year after year exactly as prophesied, only the names have been changed?

To much if's!
Which state you mean?
 
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To much if's!
Which state you mean?


The way it was worded reminded me of how satan talked to Eve:

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any animal of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God really said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?

Genesis 3:4 The serpent said to the woman, “You certainly will not die! 5 For God knows that on the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will [a]become like God, knowing good and evil.”

And everyone knows Eve got suckered into that!


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The way it was worded reminded me of how satan talked to Eve:

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any animal of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God really said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?

Genesis 3:4 The serpent said to the woman, “You certainly will not die! 5 For God knows that on the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will [a]become like God, knowing good and evil.”

And everyone knows Eve got suckered into that!


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That is a streeeeeetch
 
To much if's!

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Which state you mean?

The state of Israel. Keeping the same context as your response to the other member.
 
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The state of Israel. Keeping the same context as your response to the other member.

I believe God would of warned us of a false Israel if that's what your implying. We are warned of the anti-Christ in detail.
And in the end times Israel will know that they were decieved by him. Then what happens?
 
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It's important to understand the gospels and the reason Jesus came in the flesh the first time.
Reading into scripture on sayings and events can be quite confusing.
As I stated before Jesus came as the lamb of God. To be the ransom for many. As Paul stated he lived, died and rose again on the third day according to the scriptures. Yet not all have been fulfilled yet.
This was the mission of Jesus. It fulfilled Isaiah 53, along with over 300 prophecies all pointing to him.
If we deduce or add to it then we are in error.
 
What if the current state isn't a work of the Almighty at all? What if it's actually a work of satan?

What if satan was cast to earth the moment Christ ascended to heaven in the 1st century, and all this time satan has had wrath for the people the Messiah came from?

What if it is true that satan has a legal claim to all kingdoms of man as long as the Messiah isn't here in the flesh?

What if all this time, satan has spent centuries orchestrating his kingdoms to establish one as his own chosen kingdom - part of his grand scheme of deceiving the whole world? Even going as far as to sacrifice a significant percentage of its population to establish that kingdom as an "eternal victim", immune to any future scrutiny, criticism, or condemnation?

What if that chosen kingdom has all the characteristics of Antichrist, but because of a further deception, those taking watch are looking for a single man rather than a kingdom, while giving an actual "antichrist" nation grace simply because of the name they've claimed? What if this kingdom behaves as dictatorial as we've already been told "The Antichrist" would behave: quelling free speech, punishing dissent, ignoring laws and treaties, making criticism illegal, and instilling fear in any who opposes?

What if those who are at the mercy of "the state" are the true descendants of the Jews, and the prophetic doctrine of "the beast warring with the saints" is continuing to play out year after year exactly as prophesied, only the names have been changed?
What if you're completely wrong and the fact is that God is protecting 'the state' . What if He's for 'the state' and you're against it, who's right? What if there's current miracles in favor of 'the state' are they from God or His enemy?
 
Not anywhere in the text. Luke 9 (also in Matthew 17).

It says in the verses I quoted that some of those with him would see him coming in his kingdom in power. Six days later that happened with the two witnesses, Moses and Elijah, standing by the king of the earth.
 
I believe God would of warned us of a false Israel if that's what your implying. We are warned of the anti-Christ in detail.
And in the end times Israel will know that they were decieved by him. Then what happens?

Yup, He did. We were told people would claim the identity of a Jew in Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9.

In 1 John 2, we are told there are many antichrists, not just one, who deny the Son and so the Father.

Daniel 7 explains that "beasts" are kingdoms, not individuals, so when reading Revelation's description of the beast of the earth, we can understand it as a kingdom of people that exercises all the described powers like: "giving life to the image" (i.e., motion pictures; MPAA), "causing all who will not worship the beast should be killed" (i.e., propagandizes to make enemies of the state), and "calling fire from heaven" (i.e., atomic bomb).

Psalm 83 prophesies a confederacy of people, not a single biological ethnicity.

Ezekiel 35 and Obadiah 1 detail a group of greedy people obsessed with possessing the land, who are cursed to be in constant war until they are destroyed. They will never see peace.

They even descended from the North, just like the enemies of Israel were prophesied to descend from in several prophetic books. Turkey, Poland, and Germany are far North of the Holy Land. Meanwhile, remnant Israel was prophesied to return from the surrounding lands of the Middle East, as mentioned in Isaiah 11:11.
 
What if you're completely wrong and the fact is that God is protecting 'the state' . What if He's for 'the state' and you're against it, who's right? What if there's current miracles in favor of 'the state' are they from God or His enemy?

Through murder, lies, and deception? Not The Almighty's m.o. But if I were completely wrong, then there's no hope for any of us because it would mean The Almighty doesn't stick to His word. So these "miracles" are from the enemy or, at best, manufactured by men.

Consider this:

David was said to be a man after God's own heart. We know that he had the absolute right to claim the crown from the corrupt king Saul, but he refused to kill Saul even though he had multiple chances. Again, it was his by promise of God...but he would not take action until it was given to him. The true Israelites have God's heart and spirit. They wouldn't claim anything by force until the Messiah returns to give it to them.
 
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