Israel.

[HeIsHere]

The documentary is filled with Jewish people testifying to what they saw and did.

The response tells you everything you need to know.

 

[HeIsHere]

There's so much faith tied into these pretenders (because of decades upon decades of false teaching) that when these people fall, I fear it's going to take entire generations of Christians with them. I can see the great falling away being set up perfectly.

This is for sure. I do not think it is biblical eschatology but the damage will be severe.
And they are converts, there are not genealogical records they were all destroyed.

 

[HeIsHere]

This is why I am currently of the opinion that Islam will be the main villain in the end times and will represent the sea beast most likely.

Looking at the map surrounding Israel, it is all islamic nations, bible prophecy is always middle-eastern centric not so much euro-centric. They will be the nations that surround Jerusalem, those of Ishmael.

There is a great book on the subject written by Joel Richardson called "Mid-east beast" where he goes through the biblical witness. No one has to agree, but I tend to agree. They are the only religion that decapitates people, or even kills. I don't see the catholics doing that again, they are too watered down.

Islam is the biggest false religion in the world and is gaining lots of power worldwide through immigration and the highest birthrates in the world. Mecca is called the mother of all settlements.

"What about" and more "what about"

 

[HeIsHere]

It's a real brainwashed cult I didn't know existed.

Beyond belief, like screeching on a wall.

 

[HeIsHere]

That was a bit of a wast of time:

Yup!

 

[HeIsHere]

Terrible reasoning – do Christians not raise their children to be Chrisitan, or say at 5 years old do they say read all about the different religions and decide which one you want to follow?

Infidels someone who doesn’t believe in the religion – source please for ‘those who depart the faith’ risk murder?

al-taqiya – Sunni - this relates to denouncing your faith under duress. Shia – ive been informed that they are allowed to lie, usually to Sunni Muslims - not quite what you present.


The rest is just your interpretation / opinion – no source. I believe we had a very short exchange, you came across as really hating Muslims – but you stated that you don’t hate them – something like that.


Is this still valid? - 1 Samuel 15:3 - 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

Was it valid at the time?


109 – interesting - I will forward the first 3 to my colleagues and see their response – unless you want a response to a particular passage.

It is the tactic of "what aboutism" put you on the defensive.

The Muslim religion is not the issue, it is used as a distraction

The issue is geopolitical/historical (ethnic cleansing) and the mass starvation of the people of PALESTINE (as it should be called) and a genocide.

 

[HeIsHere]

man this topic is such a trip. people so focused on geneologies and trying to figure out who are the real chosen people.

A very bad trip with really bad consequences.
I suppose the Rothschilds are having a great laugh behind the scenes enjoying the chaos.

 

[HeIsHere]

I think in time the truth will stand uncontested. Amen.

 

[GWH]

There are some who doubt the role of Israel in God's plan and purpose. If that is so, perhaps you can explain this from the book of Revelation.
Revelation 7:3-8
“Do not harm the land or sea or trees until we have placed a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”

And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel:

From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, and from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

Also Romans 11: 25 & 26.
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob.

These things are obviously future. God is not done with Israel yet.

It is noteworthy that the tribe of Dan is not included in the 144,000. God rejected Dan because they allied themselves with the Philistines instead of conquering them as God had commanded. That compromise caused great trouble for Israel later on. We do well not to compromise with God's enemies.

I think you are correct to focus on Romans for understanding Israel's role in God's plan of salvation.

TOP #48: The Gospel is revealed to everyone in the world in various ways. [RM 10:14-18] Other verses indicating this truth include CL 1:23, RM 10:13-18 & GL 3:8 (cf. TOP #281). Apparently Paul affirms God revealed in creation (RM 1:20) and conscience (RM 2:14-16) or what has been termed “general revelation” as functioning as a provisional or proto-gospel as being sufficient for saving those who seek God and find Him via this means, so that souls are “without excuse”.

TOP #49: God may be found even by those who do not seek Him. [RM 10:19-20] This is because God is revealed through general revelation per the previous TOP.

TOP #50: God does not reject people, but He allows them to be obstinate and disobedient. [RM 10:21-11:2a] Even though souls may be unfaithful, God will remain faithful, although if believers commit apostasy or disown God, then He will also disown them (2TM 2:12-13).

TOP #51: Sadly, only a minority of humanity will be chosen by grace, while most will be hardened. [RM 11:2b-10] Whether God causes unbelievers to have hard hearts or allows them to become hardened is debated, because there are Scriptures that seem to support both understandings. Thus a systematic study and harmonization of Scripture must be attempted.

TOP #52: God’s inclusion of Gentiles in His plan of salvation is meant to motivate Jews/Israel to repent of unbelief. [RM 11:11-32]

TOP #53: God’s wisdom and judgments cannot be known or understood fully by finite and fallible minds. [RM 11:33-36]

TOP #54: Spiritual worship consists of offering one’s body to God as a living sacrifice of service. [RM 12:1]

TOP #55: Believers should renew their minds so that they will appreciate God’s good, pleasing and perfect will. [RM 12:2]

34. In Romans 9:24-33 and 10:1-4 Paul notes that God elected to choose Gentiles with saving faith instead of Israelites who sought salvation by works and stumbled over the Gospel of Christ, even though “everyone who believes” receives righteousness or s/e.

35. Romans 10:9 states God’s requirement for s/e as “confess Jesus as the resurrected Lord”, v.10 clarifies that the condition of faith (#31) precedes the work of confession, and vs.11-13 reiterate that all sinners who call on the name of the Lord will be s/e.

36. Romans 10:18 cites Psalm 19:4, which hints that God’s s/e has been possible for everyone in the world. This implication may also be seen in Gal. 3:8, Col. 1:23 and Tit. 2:11 as well as Rom. 1:20.

37. Romans 11:5-7a refers to an elect “remnant chosen by grace”, which indicates that sinners may cooperate with God’s calling to be s/e “or not” (#35).

38. Romans 11:7b-8 needs to be understood in the context of pharaoh (#32), whose heart God allowed to be hardened. “God gave them a spirit of stupor” echoes what Paul said in Romans 1:24 & 28, that God gave fools over to perversion and a depraved mind.

39. Romans 11:11-15 speaks of the blindness of Israel as the reason s/e was offered to Gentiles,

and Paul hopes Israel will become envious (v.11 & 14) and prompted to accept Christ.

40. Romans 11:17-24 describes the situation of Israel as comparable to grafting branches onto a tree, and the condition of faith (#37) is quite explicit (v.20-23).

41. Romans 11:25-32 explains the s/e of corporate Israel as a partial and temporary hardening until all in corporate Gentiles “may” be s/e, at which time all Israel “may” be s/e.

42. Romans 11:33-36 concludes Paul’s development of the DOE by acknowledging that God’s mind is unknowable beyond what He reveals.

 

[TabinRivCA]

 

[Slimsumo]

The issue is geopolitical/historical (ethnic cleansing) and the mass starvation of the people of PALESTINE (as it should be called) and a genocide.

Why should it be called Palestine? The Bible doesn't call it that.

A wicked roman ruler changed the name from Judea to Syria-Palestine.

 

[HeIsHere]

Why should it be called Palestine? The Bible doesn't call it that.

A wicked roman ruler changed the name from Judea to Syria-Palestine.

LOL, wicked men created the modern day state of Israel.
Is that Biblical?

 

[Slimsumo]

LOL, wicked men created the modern day state of Israel.
Is that Biblical?

They did. How do you not see that something wicked can be a fulfillment of Bible prophecy? Judas betraying Jesus was terrible, but it was required for the Scriptures to be fulfilled.

Israel being gathered in unbelief is required for the Bible prophecy to be fulfilled. How can Jesus return to a jewish Jerusalem, how can the two witnesses do their work in Jerusalem if there are no jews present? That is why all these theories about they aren't real jews simply don't cut it.

 

[TabinRivCA]

Clearly God is protecting Israel against it's enemies miraculously and this is after 1948 nation established. You're either with God's will or against it. Simple.

 

[HeIsHere]

They did. How do you not see that something wicked can be a fulfillment of Bible prophecy? Judas betraying Jesus was terrible, but it was required for the Scriptures to be fulfilled.

Israel being gathered in unbelief is required for the Bible prophecy to be fulfilled. How can Jesus return to a jewish Jerusalem, how can the two witnesses do their work in Jerusalem if there are no jews present? That is why all these theories about they aren't real jews simply don't cut it.

The Bible has no such prophecy.
Along with the fact that it was when Covenant Jews were faithful they were blessed.

 

[HeIsHere]

Clearly God is protecting Israel against it's enemies miraculously and this is after 1948 nation established. You're either with God's will or against it. Simple.

Hmm, yes being subsidized by a rich nation buys a lot of protection, tis true.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

They did. How do you not see that something wicked can be a fulfillment of Bible prophecy? Judas betraying Jesus was terrible, but it was required for the Scriptures to be fulfilled.

Israel being gathered in unbelief is required for the Bible prophecy to be fulfilled. How can Jesus return to a jewish Jerusalem, how can the two witnesses do their work in Jerusalem if there are no jews present? That is why all these theories about they aren't real jews simply don't cut it.

So God

• allows unbelieving Jews to inhabit Jerusalem
• sends two witnesses to torment them for 3.5 years with judgments
• 2 witnesses are killed and rise from the dead
• the 7th trumpet blows and Christ returns with his resurrected people
• all believers alive on earth, including a remnant in Israel, are transformed and raised up together to meet them
• the bowls of wrath are poured out on all of the earth
• Babylon is utterly destroyed never to rise again
• Christ et al touchdown on earth at Jerusalem and trod underfoot the ashes of the wicked destroyed in judgments
• nations of the world mobilize against this new army in Israel and are destroyed at Armageddon

Does this sound about right?

 

[lrs68]

What sometimes is intended for evil God uses for good!

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Those here that are in great error but are truly born again I believe will be saved. I think the Holy Spirit will somehow restrain them from taking the mark, even though they won't recognize that it is the mark of the beast.

In order to resist taking the mark and willing to face persecution and death, a saved person would have to draw moral fortitude from the Holy Spirit - which you don't ever really see theme do - because if they did, they wouldn't hate the Jews so much and much of their doctrine wouldn't be in opposition to the Lord's. But what have you seen so far? Nothing but resistance. So if they resist the Holy Spirit's leading about loving the Jews as well other doctrinal points, what makes you think the Holy Spirit will force them not to take the mark? The Holy Spirit won't do that.

I agree about everything else you said though.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

In order to resist taking the mark and willing to face persecution and death, a saved person would have to draw moral fortitude from the Holy Spirit - which you don't ever really see theme do - because if they did, they wouldn't hate the Jews so much and much of their doctrine wouldn't be in opposition to the Lord's. But what have you seen so far? Nothing but resistance. So if they resist the Holy Spirit's leading about loving the Jews as well other doctrinal points, what makes you think the Holy Spirit will force them not to take the mark? The Holy Spirit won't do that.

You keep repeating this slanderous lie. Why don't you define what the bolded means so we can know what you're talking about?