Israel.

[HeIsHere]

We walk by faith, not by what we see in the world. If you're faith is based on what you see with your eyes, then maybe your faith is worldly

For we walk by faith, not by sight 2 Corinthians 5:7​

When I was taken in by the "newspaper eschatology school" as a new Christian, that is exactly how it worked >>>>> by sight.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I've come to realize it's a cult. Same behavior patterns

You're promoting heresy.

 

[Jackson129]

I don't understand this difference. A country is its people

I see a country as a chuck of land with borders. The people that live in it are just the people that live in it.

 

[Leastofall]

When I was taken in by the "newspaper eschatology school" as a new Christian, that is exactly how it worked >>>>> by sight.

New Living Translation
Most importantly, I want to remind you that in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth and following their own desires.

 

[Yahshua]

Utter lie!! 100% fabricated lie!

The documentary is filled with Jewish people testifying to what they saw and did.

Her comment was "the IDF rapes their prisoners". Does Abu Ghraib prison ring a bell??? So does that mean American soldiers sexually abuse their prisoners? I'm sure someone in these forums has served. Anyone want to speak to the point I'm making? 9 people out of some 169,500 soldiers!! Cut out the propaganda!

It's the UN

Baby killers, are you serious???!!! These babies were murdered. They were strangled!!! Along with their mother!!! That is a sick comment!!!! And they weren't the only children murdered on Oct.7. Not because the country was at war. But because sick, demented, godless, terrorists took their lives. You don't get more sick then taking a baby hostage then strangling him to death!!

Seeing as "The Israeli authorities" have been caught lying several times, their claim that these babies were strangled by Hamas isn't believable. Just like they claimed that babies were being put in ovens was debunked. Never mind the fact that one strategically loses their leverage when a hostage dies, why (a) carry the bodies with them and then (b) RETURN the evidence to Israel during a ceasefire? Think.

Here is actual evidence of baby killers in action. Here's a video recorded by an IDF soldier locking a woman and her baby in a burning house and singing while the baby screams in agony. Viewer discretion is advised:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sLiIdx0FZa_qbdHys75N4mxsCx4_-cBa/view?usp=sharing

This is not an exception. It's the rule.

But Islam is a false religion from the pit of hell.

My only reason for responding to you on this topic is to correct your misunderstanding. The Jews wouldn't have survived if it weren't for the muslims intervening multiple times in early Christian history.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sVvHH2cbTL3rUbENbAskXlc2yIAGMFre/view?usp=sharing

Muslims ALWAYS protected Jews from the Christians. In fact, to tie this to bible study, Islam is the locust of Revelation 9, charged to hurt mankind for 5 months but hurt not the land or those sealed (Israel).

Revelation 9:4
They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

The Muslims were notorious for protecting the land and the Jews. They were allies. Meanwhile, these recent Europeans act as if there's no positive history between them...sTrAnGeLy...

Forget the number 6 million. How many do YOU say died in the Holocaust. What do YOU think is the number?

Let's address what I've been asking.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KwksL-onuOtFWaNmIFArrW528I_Jx9Ff/view?usp=drive_link

There was no such thing as Palestinians.[...].

No one knew about the Palestinian people because Europeans have a Eurocentric framework. Nothing exists until it has been conquered. Doesn't mean it didn't exist. Wikipedia does a good job here of explaining Palestine:

Following the suppression of the Bar Kokhba revolt, Jerusalem was rebuilt as a Roman colony under the name of Aelia Capitolina, and Judaea was renamed Syria Palaestina, a term occasionally used among Greco-Romans for centuries to describe the Southern Levant. A Syria-Palaestina included Judea, Samaria, Galilee, Idumaea, and Philistia. The province retained its capital, Caesarea Maritima, and therefore remained distinct from Syria, which was located further north with its capital in Antioch.

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While Syria was divided into several smaller provinces by Septimius Severus, and later again by Diocletian, Syria Palaestina survived into late antiquity...The part of the Roman imperial border that now ran through Palestine was subsequently placed under its own supreme commander, the dux Palaestinae, who is known from the Notitia Dignitatum (administrative organization document of the empire).

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The province was split into smaller ones during the fourth and fifth centuries. In 358, areas that had formerly belonged to Arabia Petraea were transformed into a separate province of Palaestina Salutaris with Petra as its capital. The remaining territory was named Palaestina Prima. Around the year 400, it had been further split into a smaller Palaestina Prima and Palaestina Secunda. Palaestina Prima included the heartland with the capital at Caesarea, while Palaestina Secunda extended to Galilee, the Golan, and parts of the Transjordan and its capital was Scythopolis (now Beit She'an).[20] Salutaris was named Palaestina Tertia or Salutaris.

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Despite this "Syria" in the name, Palestine was independent of Roman Syria, even to a greater extent than before, since instead of a legatus Augusti pro praetore, a higher-ranking governor of consular rank now presided over the region.

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Some scholars suggest that a number of Jews may have forfeited their Jewish identity and assimilated into the Pagan and early Christian I.e. Gentile populations.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria_Palaestina

And Golda Meir, a Jewish woman, called herself a Palestinian, having a Palestinian passport.

No, you aren't, but that's not surprising. Nazi Germany didn't tell the Jews that they were going to take everything they owned and throw in death camps. It's not the same situation at all. But you knew that.

Throughout the centuries, multiple countries enacted "edicts of expulsion" after groups of Jewish people would lend money at interest and effectively transfer away the wealth of the populace through usury (a capital offence to God). The Germans accused Jewish people of harming their economy similarly. Germans felt they were being robbed through unethical banking practices and manipulation of finances (as allowed in the Talmud). Hitler won on the platform of restoring the economy, creating jobs, ending crippling poverty, and removing the Jewish financeers.

They wanted Jewish people to leave their land, so they began persecuting them. But Jewish people coordinated a worldwide boycott of German goods. Eventually, they established the Haavara Agreement to end the boycott by facilitating their migration to Palestine and the safe transfer of their financial assets, believing this would solve "the Jewish problem". But the Jewish community was split and saw this agreement between Zionists and Nazi Germany as a betrayal of the cause. This even led to assassinations, thus the boycott continued, eventually leading to World War and "the final solution" to "the Jewish problem".

Israel was prophesied to be scattered into all nations and remain there, in poverty, until the Messiah comes. And yet these people were expelled from many nations for gaining wealth through a practice forbidden by the Almighty (Ezekiel 18:13), and through finance, lies, terrorism, and war, have gained control of the land without the Messiah and with no memory of their former allies.

That's wishful thinking on your part. Romans 11, actually 9,10,11, prove my point, not yours. But you aren't there yet. You're still back at the unconditional, everlasting covenant God made with Abraham.

1. During their blindness/hardening, they're also supposed to be "diminished" WHILE the Gentiles are elevated and gain riches UNTIL the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled, correct? Are we still in the time of the Gentiles per your eschatological reckoning?


2. They're also supposed to be spurred by jealousy or envy because of the Gentiles receiving salvation, correct? Have you heard of any sentiments where these modern folks are jealous of Christian Goyim for any reason?


3. Their backs are supposed to be bent always (suggesting servitude or subservience) during the time of the Gentiles. Are these modern folks bent over in subservience to any nations, or are nations subservient to them?

Israel is the nation born in a day, the dry bones coming together. Regathered where????? To THEIR homeland NEVER to be uprooted again.

...except to Cyprus. What about those families who moved there after this latest beating by Iran, after they attempted to bully them?

You can mock the Word night and day. I know what it says. My God keeps His Word. As far as Romans 11, I don't know anymore than anyone else where we are on God's prophetic clock. But I know it began in 1948. If you don't see things happening yet as per Romans, it will. God said it, I believe it, that settles it. If God won't keep His promise to the Jews, He won't keep it to you. He is restoring the Jews to Israel, just as He said He would do.

There's so much faith tied into these pretenders (because of decades upon decades of false teaching) that when these people fall, I fear it's going to take entire generations of Christians with them. I can see the great falling away being set up perfectly.

 

[Melach]

2. They're also supposed to be spurred by jealousy or envy because of the Gentiles receiving salvation, correct? Have you heard of any sentiments where these modern folks are jealous of Christian Goyim for any reason?


3. Their backs are supposed to be bent always (suggesting servitude or subservience) during the time of the Gentiles. Are these modern folks bent over in subservience to any nations, or are nations subservient to them?

2. no they arent, who do you suggest the true jews are then?

3. they really are not, they are making big money out there in hollywood and america in general.


i just hope you arent going to turn around and push british israelism or black hebrew israelite garbage on me. but i ask. who are the real jews then.

man this topic is such a trip. people so focused on geneologies and trying to figure out who are the real chosen people. its the ones in Christ. you are welcome saved everyone the trouble.

 

[TMS]

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Anyone that is a child of Christ Jesus is a Jew

Where the literal nation failed Jesus succeeded..

He is the head

1Pe 2:5-6
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

 

[Slimsumo]

Thank you for sharing, she is 100% correct. She used the word blaspheming God's name when you say He won't keep His promises. Very serious indeed. All you have to do is look at these peoples attitudes toward Jews. During the Holocaust there were Christians who risked or lost their lives to hide and protect Jews. They believed God's Word, and protected the Jews. Then there were Christians who took part in the Holocaust, or they benefited from the Jews being sent to their deaths. I wonder which side some in this forum would have taken. It's disturbing.

Supernatural hatred.

They talk about genocide, yet they would want to see all jews driven to the sea. They would love a genocide, but of the right people. They want the jews dead and they want the muslims to take over the holy land once again.

Whenever you hear "from the river to the sea" you are hearing "all jews need to be killed in Israel" and make no mistake about it, if the muslims could, they would.

 

[PennEd]

What neither of you think matters. It's what God thinks that matters. In the end Israel will STILL BE HERE, I'll die a martyr's death but chilling out under the alter, and you'll both be manifesting painful skin sores and realizing it's too late to switch sides.

Those here that are in great error but are truly born again I believe will be saved. I think the Holy Spirit will somehow restrain them from taking the mark, even though they won't recognize that it is the mark of the beast.

Don't know how that will manifest, but I don't think God will allow His children to take satan's DNA. Maybe they will be Pre/Mid Trib raptured as well, and we'll have to explain again to them God's Word is to be taken literally on the way up! Or maybe they'll have to go through the horrors of God's wrath on the "Earth Dwellers".

It IS beyond comprehensible to me that no matter how many events continue to line up prophetically, they STILL double, triple, and quadruple down on not believing we are on the very cusp of the rapture and Christ's Return to Reign on David's Throne in Jerusalem.

First time in human history the tech exists whereby EVERY human being can be monitored at all times.

First time in human history the tech exists whereby EVERY transaction can take place without cash or coin and be transacted by devices implanted in a person's hand or forehead.

Jesus's first warning about end times concerning DECEPTIONS are off the charts.

We are DEFINITELY living "As in the days of Noah" with genetic DNA Corruption of God's Creation of men and animals.

Wars and rumors of wars, ON A GLOBAL level are off the charts.

Apostasy is off the charts.

Disasters, on a Global level are off the charts.

The Euphrates is drying up.

THE GOSPEL HAS BEEN PREACHED IN ALL THE WORLD (yes I know there's some tribe somewhere that hasn't, but it's still been preached in every nation)

And the big enchilada - ISRAEL IS BACK IN THE LAND! Where the nations of the world will gather to try and wipe them out in the valley of Megiddo.
The world CAN'T assemble against them IF THERE ISN'T AN ISRAEL!!

 

[Needevidence]

Well your understanding is wrong, because if your father is a Muslim that automatically makes you one and infidels (those who depart the faith) are at risk of being murdered because that is what their book tells them to do with infidels. People do not want to be butchered so they go along or they risk their lives. Part of the issue with Obama was his dad was a Muslim, but of course he wanted to fool the American public into thinking he was a Christian, and yet he mocked the Bible and sang the praises of the Koran, so that was rather telling. Perhaps he was practising the art of lying to hide his true intentions, which is sanctioned in the Koran. That is called al-taqiya.

Have we not discussed this in other threads here? The Quran contains at least 109 verses that speak of war with nonbelievers, usually on the basis of their status as non-Muslims. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter. Speaking of hell, the only assurance of salvation in the Islam is through jihad = murdering others while committing suicide for the cause of the spread of Islam. You are allowed to pick a few others to go to paradise with you and young men are lured with the promise of being able to eternally ravish perpetual virgins.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, most verses of violence in the Quran are open-ended, meaning that they are not necessarily restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran. You can find some of them here. (<= link)

Terrible reasoning – do Christians not raise their children to be Chrisitan, or say at 5 years old do they say read all about the different religions and decide which one you want to follow?

Infidels someone who doesn’t believe in the religion – source please for ‘those who depart the faith’ risk murder?

al-taqiya – Sunni - this relates to denouncing your faith under duress. Shia – ive been informed that they are allowed to lie, usually to Sunni Muslims - not quite what you present.


The rest is just your interpretation / opinion – no source. I believe we had a very short exchange, you came across as really hating Muslims – but you stated that you don’t hate them – something like that.


Is this still valid? - 1 Samuel 15:3 - 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

Was it valid at the time?


109 – interesting - I will forward the first 3 to my colleagues and see their response – unless you want a response to a particular passage.

 

[Slimsumo]

Well your understanding is wrong, because if your father is a Muslim that automatically makes you one and infidels (those who depart the faith) are at risk of being murdered because that is what their book tells them to do with infidels. People do not want to be butchered so they go along or they risk their lives. Part of the issue with Obama was his dad was a Muslim, but of course he wanted to fool the American public into thinking he was a Christian, and yet he mocked the Bible and sang the praises of the Koran, so that was rather telling. Perhaps he was practising the art of lying to hide his true intentions, which is sanctioned in the Koran. That is called al-taqiya.

Have we not discussed this in other threads here? The Quran contains at least 109 verses that speak of war with nonbelievers, usually on the basis of their status as non-Muslims. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter. Speaking of hell, the only assurance of salvation in the Islam is through jihad = murdering others while committing suicide for the cause of the spread of Islam. You are allowed to pick a few others to go to paradise with you and young men are lured with the promise of being able to eternally ravish perpetual virgins.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, most verses of violence in the Quran are open-ended, meaning that they are not necessarily restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran. You can find some of them here. (<= link)

This is why I am currently of the opinion that Islam will be the main villain in the end times and will represent the sea beast most likely.

Looking at the map surrounding Israel, it is all islamic nations, bible prophecy is always middle-eastern centric not so much euro-centric. They will be the nations that surround Jerusalem, those of Ishmael.

There is a great book on the subject written by Joel Richardson called "Mid-east beast" where he goes through the biblical witness. No one has to agree, but I tend to agree. They are the only religion that decapitates people, or even kills. I don't see the catholics doing that again, they are too watered down.

Islam is the biggest false religion in the world and is gaining lots of power worldwide through immigration and the highest birthrates in the world. Mecca is called the mother of all settlements.

 

[Slimsumo]

Just like all the Jews do not comply with what is written in the Talmud, it is the same for the Muslims.
People just want everything to be black and white, this group evil, this group good.

A lot of modern day middle east wars/turmoil can be traced back to fall of the Ottoman Empire and the UK/France/USA meddling in the middle east for resources and oil.

I am glad many jews and muslims ignore what is in the talmud, quran and the hadiths because all of the above are heretical works of fiction.

 

[Leastofall]

Was going to drop this into my A.I thread but perhaps it has a place here. Doing some research to see if this is fact or fiction so ....

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Infidels someone who doesn’t believe in the religion – source please for ‘those who depart the faith’ risk murder?

I would add Syria to this list now since it has been overrun by Islamists and is now ruled by a former leader of ISIS and the current leader of Al Qaeda in Syria.

What Countries Criminalize Religious Conversion? Our New Report Examines this Question

We found that, in addition to Sudan, apostasy is a capital offense in Afghanistan, Brunei, Mauritania, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen. However, our research indicated that, by and large, an apostasy charge or conviction can be vacated if the person denounces his or her new faith and returns to Islam.

https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2014/06/w...ersion-our-new-report-examines-this-question/

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Whenever you hear "from the river to the sea" you are hearing "all jews need to be killed in Israel" and make no mistake about it, if the muslims could, they would.

And vice versa. THe whole area is a cauldron of iniquity and violence and in due time God will slay them all except for a remnant.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

man this topic is such a trip. people so focused on geneologies and trying to figure out who are the real chosen people.

It's a real brainwashed cult I didn't know existed.

 

[Needevidence]

I would add Syria to this list now since it has been overrun by Islamists and is now ruled by a former leader of ISIS and the current leader of Al Qaeda in Syria.

What Countries Criminalize Religious Conversion? Our New Report Examines this Question

We found that, in addition to Sudan, apostasy is a capital offense in Afghanistan, Brunei, Mauritania, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen. However, our research indicated that, by and large, an apostasy charge or conviction can be vacated if the person denounces his or her new faith and returns to Islam.

https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2014/06/w...ersion-our-new-report-examines-this-question/

Theres a lot of problems and intolerance in a lot of Muslim countries I'm not denying that, but we are not talking about people & opinions right or wrong - Chrisitanity has serious histroical issues or forced conversions and killing, including the Jews. Were talking strictly source only (quran).

Same as Christians and cults - do we agree with these cults or do we follow the correct understanding of the bible?

 

[Needevidence]

Terrible reasoning – do Christians not raise their children to be Chrisitan, or say at 5 years old do they say read all about the different religions and decide which one you want to follow?

Infidels someone who doesn’t believe in the religion – source please for ‘those who depart the faith’ risk murder?

al-taqiya – Sunni - this relates to denouncing your faith under duress. Shia – ive been informed that they are allowed to lie, usually to Sunni Muslims - not quite what you present.


The rest is just your interpretation / opinion – no source. I believe we had a very short exchange, you came across as really hating Muslims – but you stated that you don’t hate them – something like that.


Is this still valid? - 1 Samuel 15:3 - 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

Was it valid at the time?


109 – interesting - I will forward the first 3 to my colleagues and see their response – unless you want a response to a particular passage.

That was a bit of a wast of time:


Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Muslim Response - not limited to physical warfare but extends to all forms of striving for what is right and just, including physicall resisting oppression and injustice.



Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."


Muslim response – bit similar to Chrisiant view – those that do not accept salvation in Christ – are going to be the losers is that not correct?

Mark 16:16 - Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.



Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".


Muslim Response – related to a battle the Muslims lost and God encouraged then and was going to help them in the fight against the idol worshippers. Been given the right to fight and defend - not permissible to randomly kill people regardless of religion or colour. Bible has many passages of killing etc...

Luke 19:27
“But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.”



Problem is that passages can be twisted either way – like Muslims twist bible passages – we don’t accept their religion and they dont accept ours.


But need something more tighter then random passages - something with substance that I can argue with?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The documentary is filled with Jewish people testifying to what they saw and did.

Yep, ok, so now they aren't only rapists, now the IDF are terrorists too. Got it.

It's the UN

??

Seeing as "The Israeli authorities" have been caught lying several times, their claim that these babies were strangled by Hamas isn't believable.

They were murdered. In cold blood. Mother and two children. I don't care HOW, they were murdered. Whether you believe the method or not, they're dead!!!!

Just like they claimed that babies were being put in ovens was debunked. Never mind the fact that one strategically loses their leverage when a hostage dies, why (a) carry the bodies with them and then (b) RETURN the evidence to Israel during a ceasefire? Think.

Over 1000 people were murdered on Oct 7. Hostages taken, Kfir was a toddler. He and his brother were murdered.

Here is actual evidence of baby killers in action.
This is not an exception. It's the rule.

I Googled your "actual evidence" and didn't find one single news source that showed that video or even made that claim.

My only reason for responding to you on this topic is to correct your misunderstanding.

Muhammad and Martin Luther had this in common, they tried to convert the Jews. When they failed to convert, they turned on the Jews, in a savage way. That's also a part of history.

Let's address what I've been asking.

How many do you believe were killed in the Holocaust?

. Wikipedia does a good job here of explaining Palestine...
And Golda Meir, a Jewish woman, called herself a Palestinian, having a Palestinian passport.

I'm not sure Wiki is a good source, a lot of opinion is added into its information. But ok, we'll go with that.

Gold Meir was a lot more than just a Jewish woman. Here is what she actually said...

There was no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian state? It was either southern Syria before the First World War and then it was a Palestine including Jordan. It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country from them. They did not exist.

"When were Palestinians born? What was all of this area before the First World War when Britain got the Mandate over Palestine? What was Palestine, then? Palestine was then the area between the Mediterranean and the Iraqian border. East and West Bank was Palestine. I am a Palestinian, from 1921 and 1948, I carried a Palestinian passport. There was no such thing in this area as Jews, and Arabs, and Palestinians. There were Jews and Arabs.I say there is no such thing as a distinct Palestinian people."

As I have said a dozen times, Palestinians are Arabs. I stated quotes from various people who visited Israel before 48 and they commented on how barren and desolate it was. I answer the rest of your post when I get a few minutes to do so.

 

[GWH]

Yep, ok, so now they aren't only rapists, now the IDF are terrorists too. Got it.

??

They were murdered. In cold blood. Mother and two children. I don't care HOW, they were murdered. Whether you believe the method or not, they're dead!!!!

Over 1000 people were murdered on Oct 7. Hostages taken, Kfir was a toddler. He and his brother were murdered.

I Googled your "actual evidence" and didn't find one single news source that showed that video or even made that claim.

Muhammad and Martin Luther had this in common, they tried to convert the Jews. When they failed to convert, they turned on the Jews, in a savage way. That's also a part of history.

How many do you believe were killed in the Holocaust?

I'm not sure Wiki is a good source, a lot of opinion is added into its information. But ok, we'll go with that.

Golda Meir was a lot more than just a Jewish woman. Here is what she actually said...

There was no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian state? It was either southern Syria before the First World War and then it was a Palestine including Jordan. It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country from them. They did not exist.

"When were Palestinians born? What was all of this area before the First World War when Britain got the Mandate over Palestine? What was Palestine, then? Palestine was then the area between the Mediterranean and the Iraqian border. East and West Bank was Palestine. I am a Palestinian, from 1921 and 1948, I carried a Palestinian passport. There was no such thing in this area as Jews, and Arabs, and Palestinians. There were Jews and Arabs.I say there is no such thing as a distinct Palestinian people."

As I have said a dozen times, Palestinians are Arabs. I stated quotes from various people who visited Israel before 48 and they commented on how barren and desolate it was. I answer the rest of your post when I get a few minutes to do so.

This brings up the issue or questions: "What is God's will regarding migration? What biblical teachings are applicable?

The Bible mentions the migration of Cain (in Gen. 4:12 & 16) and migrations following the building of the tower at Babel (in Gen. 11:1-9). Secular histories cite migrations by unknown peoples that established civilizations near the mouths of the Indus, Nile and Euphrates rivers, followed by Akkadians invading the Sumerians and Aryans invading India about 2270 B.C. Abram migrated from Mesopotamia (per Gen. 12:1-10), then Israel settled in Canaan (Gen. 35:1-21 & 46:1-7) about the time Sumeria was conquered by Amorites, then Kassites. Moses led the Israelites from Egypt to Canaan (Exo. 13:17-20, 15:22-16:1, 17:1, 19:1-2, 33:1-2, Num. 21:10-31 & Num. 33).

NM 33 instructs the Israelites to drive out all of the inhabitants of Canaan so that their idolatry would not give them trouble. Num. 35:33-34 tells them not to pollute or defile the land with bloodshed, so apparently driving out was not supposed to be by means of murder. Listing the history of migrations merely documents that KOTH was the way it always occurred, so now let us consider how the migration to America by Europeans should have been done in accordance with God’s Will.

We begin with the only hint we have had thus far—the proscription against bloodshed/murder. A NT principle that can be applicable is Matt. 7:12, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” An OT one is Exo. 20:15, “You shall not steal.” These two commands indicate that when people migrate, they must do so with the intention of compensating the owners of the new land rather than of conquering them by means of violence.

Another critical migration that needs to be evaluated is when Jews moved to Palestine following WWII. It began with war or KOTH that has continued ever since. It would seem that God’s will would have been for the Jews to purchase land from Palestinians and obtain a legal deed. Besides being peaceful, it probably would have been cheaper in the long run to pay them $10,000 per acre!

This brings us to consider the migration occurring over the U.S. borders. In this case there is a line of people seeking to enter by a vetting process, so what justification can there be for people to cut in line by stealing across the border illegally? The right of an individual homeowner to require entrants to be invited seems applicable to a nation regarding control of its borders.

God loves everyone in the world (John 3:16) and includes all kinds of people in His plan of salvation (Gal. 3:28-29, 1Tim. 2:3-4). Thus, we all have equal rights, which need to be respected as people move about planet Earth. There is no justification for feeling superior to anyone of a different nationality or civilization. As we have mentioned, migration needs to occur without murder or stealing (Matt. 19:18).

Selfishness by those who have something does not justify stealing by those who lack and desire it. Two wrongs do not make a right. However, the rich should share (2Cor. 8:14). Those who have an abundance of land or material possessions should realize they have no divine right to hoard it, but on the contrary, they have a divine command from God to be compassionate toward the poor.

Paul teaches that those who are able should work (2Thes. 3:10), so a valid reason for migration would seem to be in order to look for a job. Other considerations include the need to practice birth control in order to be good stewards of the planet and not over-populate or pollute our world. Also, good governors and employers are needed, who will legislate opportunity and pay fairly.