Israel.

[PennEd]

Here's an interesting fact: The destruction of the temple in 70AD led to the loss of primarily two genealogies: Judah and David

LOL! You better tell Christ and John that!

Revelation
5 of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;


Oh, that's right, you guys don't believe the Bible as written. You have to allegorize clear passages like this.

My bad.

 

[PennEd]

So if it was 1 million instead of 6 that would change anything?



Such as?




Currently, 17 European countries,along with Canada and Israel, have laws in place that cover Holocaust denial as a punishable offence. Many countries also have broader laws that criminalise genocide denial as a whole, including that of the Holocaust. Among the countries that have banned Holocaust denial, Austria, Germany, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Russia have also banned Nazi symbols. Additionally, any expression of genocide justification is also a criminal offence in several countries, as is any attempt to portray Nazism in a positive light.


I think it's done for a reason, to make sure it never happens again to anyone, not just the Jewish people. The point at the time was to stop the Nazi's lies and denials of what they had done. That was why the German people were forced to walk through the camps, so no one could deny what took place.

This is of course the inevitable, logical conclusion of the Amils.

Downgrade, or eliminate entirely the 6 million Jews gassed to death. I have heard this wicked evil many times from the likes of this guy.

My uncle was there! He could barely speak about what he saw without crying uncontrollably because of the death camps.

 

[HeIsHere]

So by the time of Romans 11 the Gentiles had all come in and God had restored Israel. Don't think so.

Calling Paul a liar is not a good look, how about you go back to the books and learn the correct understanding of Paul's language and use of certain words.

 

[HeIsHere]

Here's an interesting fact: The destruction of the temple in 70AD led to the loss of primarily two genealogies: Judah and David. That means no future Messiah can be verified by official genealogical records. He has already appeared.

I would think a Christian would have a problem defending a foreign nation/ethnic group at the expense of Christ Jesus.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

LOL! You better tell Christ and John that!
Revelation
5 of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;
Oh, that's right, you guys don't believe the Bible as written. You have to allegorize clear passages like this.

My bad.

So that can't be referring to the spiritual seed of Israel? If not, why not? Jacob prophesied that the seed of Israel (Ephraim) would become a fullness of the nations (goyim). That would not be realistic if he hadn't been referring to the spiritual seed. He gave the promises to Abraham, Isaac and himself to a half-Egyptian, which symbolizes this spiritual seed, the Israel of God, comprised of both the physical and spirtual seed of Israel.

And his father [Jacob] refused, and said, I know, my son, I know. He [Manasseh] also shall become a people, and he also shall be great, but truly his younger brother [Ephraim] shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a fullness of gentiles. Genesis 48:19​

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[lrs68]

I recall a certain German leader making a similar claim, an Italian guy and Venezuelan guy, too. A few in Africa, and even some Canadian priests. Such claims led to the death of 100s of thousands. Many native people died because people in the U.S. believed such things. In fact, people continue being killed from all over the world because of such thinking: "my flesh is better than your flesh".

Thank God, in His Kingdom, "Flesh has no value".

Here's an interesting fact: The destruction of the temple in 70AD led to the loss of primarily two genealogies: Judah and David. That means no future Messiah can be verified by official genealogical records. He has already appeared.

"You will not see me again until you say 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord'"

His name is Christ Jesus.

I like how the discussion is about who is currently living in the land of Israel today and that can be explained by simple science [DNA] but due to facts quantifying truths suddenly people are tossing up dictators. It truly screams desperation. Either people want a truthful discussion or they don't. Typically that reveals which side of the fence one stands at. Those wanting truth are simply revealing facts and those who don't are promoting false doctrine. Imagine that!

 

[PennEd]

So that can't be referring to the spiritual seed of Israel?

Ummm... Why can't it mean exactly what it says? John recorded the Jewish Tribes. How can you twist that to being gentiles?

Does God not know which Jews are from which tribes?

This is precisely what we're talking about in Amils allegorizing Scripture to fit their view, instead of just believing what it says.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Ummm... Why can't it mean exactly what it says? John recorded the Jewish Tribes. How can you twist that to being gentiles?

Does God not know which Jews are from which tribes?

This is precisely what we're talking about in Amils allegorizing Scripture to fit their view, instead of just believing what it says.

If you think it's twisting scripture to think the 144,000 could be spiritual Israel, then explain Jacob's prophecy.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Calling Paul a liar is not a good look, how about you go back to the books and learn the correct understanding of Paul's language and use of certain words.

I didn't call Paul a liar. He was talking about the future. You could have gotten away with your POV before 48. But when Israel became a nation again and prophesy started being fulfilled, you POV is dead in the water.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

This is of course the inevitable, logical conclusion of the Amils.

Downgrade, or eliminate entirely the 6 million Jews gassed to death. I have heard this wicked evil many times from the likes of this guy.

My uncle was there! He could barely speak about what he saw without crying uncontrollably because of the death camps.

Corrie ten Boom was not a Jew and a Christian. I saw her movie in church, long before Hagee became a known name. Was she lying? I ask any Christian who doubts the Holocaust. Why would she lie about what she saw and experienced?

 

[HeIsHere]

I didn't call Paul a liar. He was talking about the future. You could have gotten away with your POV before 48. But when Israel became a nation again and prophesy started being fulfilled, you POV is dead in the water.

Their future, not yours.

 

[shittim]

Corrie ten Boom was not a Jew and a Christian. I saw her movie in church, long before Hagee became a known name. Was she lying? I ask any Christian who doubts the Holocaust. Why would she lie about what she saw and experienced?

And the loss of her sister in the death camp?

 

[Howdy]

So that can't be referring to the spiritual seed of Israel? If not, why not? Jacob prophesied that the seed of Israel (Ephraim) would become a fullness of the nations (goyim). That would not be realistic if he hadn't been referring to the spiritual seed. He gave the promises to Abraham, Isaac and himself to a half-Egyptian, which symbolizes this spiritual seed, the Israel of God, comprised of both the physical and spirtual seed of Israel.

And his father [Jacob] refused, and said, I know, my son, I know. He [Manasseh] also shall become a people, and he also shall be great, but truly his younger brother [Ephraim] shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a fullness of gentiles. Genesis 48:19​

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Revelation 7 and 14 reveal all that is known about the 144,000.
Why not just accept that that is all that is said and move on?
Why do people want to speculate on such things?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Their future, not yours.

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Last time I checked, I'm a Gentile. It dealt mainly with the Jews but he was speaking to both.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

And the loss of her sister in the death camp?

Yes, she lost her father also, and other family members.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Revelation 7 and 14 reveal all that is known about the 144,000.
Why not just accept that that is all that is said and move on?
Why do people want to speculate on such things?

[It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter. Proverbs 25:2​

 

[lrs68]

144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
Then it lists the Sons names whose father was Jacob:

If Abraham is the father of our Faith then Jacob\Israel would be specific to the nation of the physical earthly Israel.

So the 144,000 are direct descendants of Jacob by DNA\BLOOD.

 

[HeIsHere]

I didn't call Paul a liar. He was talking about the future. You could have gotten away with your POV before 48. But when Israel became a nation again and prophesy started being fulfilled, you POV is dead in the water.

My point of view is using correct hermeneutics and it absolutely destroys dispensationalism,

but one cannot and will never be able to destroy the correct method of interpretation, from which the doctrine draws and it renders

1948 to be of no biblical significance/prophecy.

 

[Hui1]

Revelation 7 and 14 reveal all that is known about the 144,000.
Why not just accept that that is all that is said and move on?
Why do people want to speculate on such things?

I think the answer lies with God. We can pray to God.Give us wisdom and understanding to understand .What he said,hum

 

[Howdy]

[It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter. Proverbs 25:2​

But search the Scripture not opinions.
If you find more, please post the Scripture it is revealed in.