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God gave the name isreal to a man not the peice of land him and his decendents occupied. Im not sying that peice of land isint biblical important. I am trying to say the name of a country (isreal) and the name of a people isreal are two separate things.
Romans 11 seems to say differently. Israel is the land, Jews/Israelis are the people being called back to the land God named and said He would restore.
 
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"And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it. He also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: howbeit his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations."

It's about physical Nations not spiritual. Like I said you rounded the edges of a bolt to make your baloney stink less that you're trying to feed people.
How does the physical seed of Ephraim, ie Israel, become physical nations?
 
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Let's take the decendets of Ismael instead since the name of a country and a people arnt the same and less confusing. Ismaels seed multiplied like the sand on the sea shore. They occupy what is now Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Oman, uae, ect ect. The land that is Saudi Arabia is not Ismael. Ismaels decendets occupy a country called Saudi Arabia.
 
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Yeah that’s the type of thing I was getting at wondering about also .
Full disclosure, I subscribe to a historicist view of eschatology, which means I believe the prophetic events in the book of Revelation are being fulfilled in order and throughout human history, starting with the Messiah's ascension to heaven, and then spanning the last 2000 years, with a bit more left to be fulfilled.

And from that perspective, I believe the modern state of Israel is the Beast of the earth...or at least part of it, with the USA as the other part of it. The modern state of Israel is one horn, and the modern government of the USA is the other horn.


- Established in Daniel 7, a "beast" has always prophetically equated to a kingdom/empire, with "horns" representative of governments. So the beast of the earth is an empire with two separate governments linked to each other.


- Both nations were born in a land sparsely inhabited, compared to the beast of the sea, which comes out of many nations/languages; Revelation 17:15 (I believe the beast of the sea was the holy roman empire / Papacy, which led the known world).


- The USA emerged in 1776 as the papacy ended in 1798, and currently leads the known world. The modern state of Israel emerged in 1948 through American funding after the papacy was reestablished in 1929 ("deadly wound healed" Revelation 13:3; Lateran Concordat of 1929 https://lastmessageofmercy.com/images/books/littlehornpt2/Healing_the_Wound.jpg).


- The USA developed the power to call fire down from heaven. The Greek word for heaven is uranos, the same root name given to the material we use for nuclear weapons: Uranium, discovered by a German scientist. The USA literally created the power to call fire from uranium, with the help of German scientists.

- They developed the power to give life to the image (i.e., animate the picture = motion pictures; Hollywood, TV programming created by Jewish millionaires). Germans developed the early form of the technology while the USA perfected it.


- ...and causes anyone who will not worship the image of the beast should be killed (i.e., mainstream media owned by Jewish billionaires propagandizes to make enemies of nations that do not subscribe to Western ideals).


- Causes all the world to have to bear their mark to transact commerce. I believe this is the world's current debt-based economic model of fractional reserve banking, created by the Rothschild family, a Jewish family from Germany.


- Count the number of the beast for it is the number of a man...666...the number of his name. I believe this is literally the name Rothschild, which is German for "red shield" as a reference to the six-pointed, six-sided, six-triangle image that was eventually painted blue, renamed "the star of David" as the banner of the modern state of Israel. I've seen no evidence of King David using a star as his banner. However, the scriptures do reference the pagan Star of Remphan that Steven mentions in his sermon against the Pharisees before they stoned him to death in Acts 7:43.


The last thing I'll add is that in the table of nations (Genesis 10), the people who would be known as Germans are named Ashkenazim or Ashkenazi: the people of Ashkenaz. 90% of people who profess to be Jewish are Ashkenazi. They are of German descent. So there's one small group of nefarious Germans in control across the USA and the modern state of Israel, concealing themselves as people from Judah through convesion to a man-made religion that was contrary to the commandments of Almighty and to the gospel of Messiah.
 
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Because people occupy land and give it a name.
Completely untrue. Jews have archeological proof of being in the 3000 yrs. And really it wouldn't matter if Jews chose another land, there would still be people saying they don't deserve a homeland. Israel sits on 1% of the land in the ME. And even with that small portion they gave up land for peace. They have a right to their homeland, they aren't occupying anything.
 
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Modern day enemies were many of the ancient enemies like Babylon, Persia, Philistine.
Why haven't you mentioned Germany as one of the enemies? Do you define them as an enemy? They're the ones who supposedly committed the most heinous act against modern Jewish people.

The fulfillment of Ezekiel is God keeping His word from the prophecy but it's also our indicator of the timing of events.
Despite adherence to the covenant? That isn't like the Almighty to contradict what He said.