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Disagree about cleansing being whole book of Revelation but not going to discuss that now.
By "fire" is how the earth will be destroyed - it will be burned up in its entirety - it will be gone completely, not only the things of the earth but the earth itself will be: they will be replaced completely by the new heavens and new earth. By "new" is meant they didn't exist prior to their creation; by "former" is meant they were destroyed before creation of the new: they can't both be "new" and yet exist. In 2 Pe 3:13 we are told that we have to "look for new heavens and earth", by having to look for the new means the prior ones were no longer.
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I'm talking about the judgement of fire (nuclear war) that will happen before and when the lord returns. The new heavens and earth come at least 1000 years later.
 

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And here is where the rubber meets the road. They lost use of the land, but not the deed. God is going to restore them to the land where they will not be uprooted again. Here is my point. It seems that people have no idea how covenants were made. I've asked several here and no one has given an answer yet. The Abraham Covenant was unconditional and everlasting.
….consider the covenant he made with Abraham

““As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. No longer will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭17:4-5‬ ‭NIv

By faith he ( Abraham ) sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: for he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

….These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.

But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:9-10, 13-14, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭8:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: ( old covenant and its children ) for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir

with the son of the freewoman.”( new covenant promising a new earth and many nations of abrahams offspring tbrough Christ )
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:24-26, 30‬ ‭

abrahams covenant is here for all
People

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27

tbats why they’ll be joining him in the kingdom of God and. Ot in any land we now see on this earth this one’s doomed but we’re all born again as a rahams cchildren of promise To inherit this where israel will be restored as all the children of Abraham in Christ will be restored

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, ( gotta believe what he said ) look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

abraham knew he was a stranger and pilgrim on this earth and that God had prepared things beyond his ability to comprehend for him and his offspring in Christ .

 

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I'm talking about the judgement of fire (nuclear war) that will happen before and when the lord returns. The new heavens and earth come at least 1000 years later.
There is no literal 1000 years that occurs after Christ's return. When He returns that is the end - the last day
 

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I'm talking about the judgement of fire (nuclear war) that will happen before and when the lord returns. The new heavens and earth come at least 1000 years later.
Being that judgement day occurs on the LAST DAY, there cannot be any days after it, and therefore, it is impossible there
be 1000 years of days after it. The last day is the end of days.

[Jhn 12:48 KJV] 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

[2Pe 2:9 KJV]
9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
 

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The earth must be cleansed of wickedness before the lord brings in the holy. That's what virtually the whole book of Revelation is about. First, God cleansed the earth of wickedness with water, next it will be cleansed with fire.

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:6-7
When I consider the difference between fire and water such as when in the kitchen, water doesn't necessarily clear everything of contaminates, but fire leaves behind not even a residue of them other than ash. It absolutely cleanses.
 
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You hear all these
Jew sympathizers
complain over and over and over
about how the Jews are being
persecuted and how everyone hates them.
But they never say a word about the
Jews hatred of Christ.
And how the Jews
work to destroy Christian nations.


Now the Muslims are just as evil
But they did not have Christ executed and hate Him.
 
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I hate them that hate Christ.

If you hate my Savior and my God.

I hate you and I am your adversary.
If you love my Savior and my God
I love you. You are my friend.
 
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If you hate my Savior and my God
I am not going to help you
I am not going to have pity upon you
I am not going to ask my God to help you.
I am not going to do anything for you.
 

Mem

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I'm pretty sure God can stand on His own, for or against, anyone if He wishes. Why did He even bother with the Jews at all if He didn't care for them. For example, there are plenty of instances God let Israel know what He was thinking, but there's no account of God approaching the Amalekites to let them know His feelings about them one way or another, is there? He only let Israel know what He expected of them in regard to the Amalekites. And He only spoke to Pharoah with regard to Israel.

There's scripture addressing what Israel's failure and rejection meant for the world, but you'd have to reject Romans11:12 to deny that their acceptance would mean life for the dead (Romans11:15)
And only Gods knows whether they will persist in, or repent of, their unbelief (Romans11:23).
 
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I'm pretty sure God can stand on His own, for or against, anyone if He wishes. Why did He even bother with the Jews at all if He didn't care for them. For example, there are plenty of instances God let Israel know what He was thinking, but there's no account of God approaching the Amalekites to let them know His feelings about them one way or another, is there? He only let Israel know what He expected of them in regard to the Amalekites. And He only spoke to Pharoah with regard to Israel.

There's scripture addressing what Israel's failure and rejection meant for the world, but you'd have to reject Romans11:12 to deny that their acceptance would mean life for the dead (Romans11:15)
And only Gods knows whether they will persist in, or repent of, their unbelief (Romans11:23).
Why do you even concern yourself with it?
You should be concerning yourself with you.
Obeying Jesus.
 
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There is no literal 1000 years that occurs after Christ's return. When He returns that is the end - the last day
There's the 7 year tribulation period culminating in the return of Jesus. Then saten is locked up in a black hole for 1000 years or whatever amount of time that equates to. Then Satan is let loose for one last hurah . Then fire rains down on all creation and the great white throne judgment takes place.
 

Mem

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Why do you even concern yourself with it?
You should be concerning yourself with you.
Obeying Jesus.
I do try to give the benefit of the doubt to trolls but not in this case.
Why do you even concern yourself with it?
You should be concerning yourself with you.
Obeying Jesus.
What do you mean, like, I should wear a burka?
 
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Because for Zechariah 14 to be fulfilled, there needs to be jews present:


1A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.

2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

How can the jews flee if they aren't there?
There have been Jews in the land since the destruction of Jerusalem, when Rome changed the name to Syria Palestine....and then the inhabitants of the land were renamed to match the new name of the land. Then when muslims conquered the land they made the national religion if the land Islam.

If you take all scripture in context and synchonize it with recorded history, you will see that many Palestinians are decendants of the Jews...and as was prophesied, they would no longer remember who they were as a nation. The name Israel is remembered no longer.

We know that Zechariah 14 is a prophecy of the end times. So, ask yourself: which group of people today more perfectly fulfills verse 2 of Zechariah 14? The Israelis? or the Palestinians?
 
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I do not believe a book is the word of God.
I believe the Spirit of God is the word of God.
So, for to understand you right. You dont believe that that what is written in the bible is the from the Holy Spirit inspired word of God?