Israel.

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I agree. But spiritual does not mean never happens.

Jacob prophesied that the seed of Israel would become the fullness of the gentiles. That began at Pentecost and continues until the fullness of the gentiles enters the temple of God, and then all Israel will be saved.

And [Jacob] would not, but said, I know, son, I know. He [Manasseh] also will be a people, and he will be exalted, but his younger brother [Ephraim] will be greater than he, and his seed will become a fullness of the gentiles. Genesis 48:19​

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Jacob wasn't talking about the physical seed when he said this. Ephraim is synonymous with Israel:

 

[Mem]

I have a challenge for you all.
Make a post without any error within it.

Are you so miserable that you have to try and make yourself feel better?

 

[Haidabo]

Are you so miserable that you have to try and make yourself feel better?

There is no better feeling than being in love with the Holy Ghost.
That is why I am always feeling good. I don't never get sick.

 

[Mem]

There is no better feeling than being in love with the Holy Ghost.
That is why I am always feeling good. I don't never get sick.

That isn't as obvious as I'd think it was true. You're always questioning everyone's status as 'beneath' yours. Does that always make you feel good?

 

[Haidabo]

That isn't as obvious as I'd think it was true. You're always questioning everyone's status as 'beneath' yours. Does that always make you feel good?

Nothing but the Spirit of God determines how I feel.

 

[Haidabo]

How do you think Jesus was feeling when He took a whip
and drove the evil doers out of the temple?

 

[wolfwint]

Time will tell.
It has already been over 2000 years later
They still reject Jesus.

✝ Romans 11:25

"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in."

And you have been clearly wrong many times.

You mean the bible. I just repeat Gods word!

 

[Gideon300]

The bolded is your opinion, and it doesn't address the question at hand, which is what unconditional covenant with Abraham gave Israel a deed to the land?

God made only 2 covenants with Abraham: an unconditional covenant in Genesis 15 in which the land was promised to Christ and a conditional covenant in Genesis 17 in which the land was promised to Abraham and his descendants based on the condition of circumcision. Abraham's descendants were later brought under the yoke of the Mosaic covenant and its law and possession of the land became conditioned upon obedience to the law; simply being circumcised was no longer enough to possess the land.

Check out Google Earth. Israel is there. It's a fact, not opinion.

 

[Gideon300]

Time will tell.
It has already been over 2000 years later
They still reject Jesus.

You should get updated. Many Israelis are turning to Jesus now.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You should get updated. Many Israelis are turning to Jesus now.

They always have been since the time of Christ

 

[Gideon300]

They always have been since the time of Christ

Certain posters here would disagree with you. And until about 10 years ago, Israel was a spiritual wasteland.

 

[rogerg]

The bolded is your opinion, and it doesn't address the question at hand, which is what unconditional covenant with Abraham gave Israel a deed to the land?

God made only 2 covenants with Abraham: an unconditional covenant in Genesis 15 in which the land was promised to Christ and a conditional covenant in Genesis 17 in which the land was promised to Abraham and his descendants based on the condition of circumcision. Abraham's descendants were later brought under the yoke of the Mosaic covenant and its law and possession of the land became conditioned upon obedience to the law; simply being circumcised was no longer enough to possess the land.

I agree with you that there were two covenants, not one, but depending upon how you meant the word "land" - if you meant it as the same "land" under both covenants - I would disagree. The "land" of the everlasting covenant (through Isaac) is not earthly but heavenly as represented by the New Jerusalem - the saved - it will come down from heaven at the end, and as such is everlasting. However, the earthly land of Israel along with everything of this current earth, is to be destroyed by God, so by that, it would be impossible for that land to be everlasting.

[2Pe 3:10, 13 KJV]
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. ...
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

[Rev 21:2 KJV]
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I agree with you that there were two covenants, not one, but depending upon how you meant the word "land" - if you meant it as the same "land" under both covenants - I would disagree. The "land" of the everlasting covenant (through Isaac) is not earthly but heavenly as represented by the New Jerusalem - the saved - it will come down from heaven at the end, and such is everlasting. However, the earthly land of Israel along with everything of this current earth, is to be destroyed by God, so by that, it would be impossible for that land to be everlasting.

[2Pe 3:10, 13 KJV]
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. ...
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

[Rev 21:2 KJV]
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

The land can't be destroyed. Only the ungodly and their works will be destroyed

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

And until about 10 years ago, Israel was a spiritual wasteland.

Holywood still is a spiritual wasteland

 

[rogerg]

The land can't be destroyed. Only the ungodly and their works will be destroyed

What do you think 2Pe 3:10 means by "the earth"

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

What do you think 2Pe 3:10, 3:13 means?

The land will be cleansed by nuclear fire. Elements in that verse means orderly arrangement, ie, all of man's works there will be burned up and obliterated.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The bolded is your opinion, and it doesn't address the question at hand, which is what unconditional covenant with Abraham gave Israel a deed to the land?

God made only 2 covenants with Abraham: an unconditional covenant in Genesis 15 in which the land was promised to Christ and a conditional covenant in Genesis 17 in which the land was promised to Abraham and his descendants based on the condition of circumcision. Abraham's descendants were later brought under the yoke of the Mosaic covenant and its law and possession of the land became conditioned upon obedience to the law; simply being circumcised was no longer enough to possess the land.

“what unconditional covenant with Abraham gave Israel a deed to the land?”

who are and have always Abraham’s children of promise ?

“As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭17:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But who specifically are the children of Israel ?

“And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭32:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The two covenants follow these two bifurcated paths allegorically following the blessings of ishmael ( jacobs children ot covenant ) and Isaac ( Abraham’s seed according to promise through Christ nt covenant )

 

[rogerg]

The land will be cleansed by nuclear fire. Elements in that verse means orderly arrangement, ie, all of man's works there will be burned up and obliterated.

Cleansed? Where in scripture did you find that?

[Rev 21:1-2 KJV]
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Cleansed? Where in scripture did you find that?

[Rev 21:1-2 KJV]
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

The earth must be cleansed of wickedness before the lord brings in the holy. That's what virtually the whole book of Revelation is about. First, God cleansed the earth of wickedness with water, next it will be cleansed with fire.

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:6-7​

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[rogerg]

The earth must be cleansed of wickedness before the lord brings in the holy. That's what virtually the whole book of Revelation is about. First, God cleansed the earth of wickedness with water, next it will be cleansed with fire.

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:6-7​

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Disagree about cleansing being whole book of Revelation but not going to discuss that now.
By "fire" is how the earth will be destroyed - it will be burned up in its entirety - it will be gone completely, not only the things of the earth but the earth itself will be: they will be replaced completely by the new heavens and new earth. By "new" is meant they didn't exist prior to their creation; by "former" is meant they were destroyed before creation of the new: they can't both be "new" and yet exist. In 2 Pe 3:13 we are told that we have to "look for new heavens and earth", by having to look for the new means the prior ones were no longer.

Anyway, at this point, I'm done.


[Isa 65:17 KJV] 17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
[Isa 66:22 KJV] 22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
[2Pe 3:13 KJV] 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
[Rev 21:1 KJV] 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.