Israel.

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

we dont understand God's plan so let God be God.

We do understand God's plan for humanity and war is not part of it. The land doesn't need to be cleansed, human hearts do and Jesus has showed us the way, which excludes warfare except against the flesh. Warfare is the way of the world

From whence [come] wars and fightings among you? [come they] not hence, [even] of your lusts that war in your members? Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume [it] upon your lusts. Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:1-4​

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[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

הַנְּפִלִ֞ים הָי֣וּ בָאָ֘רֶץ֮ בַּיָּמִ֣ים הָהֵם֒ וְגַ֣ם אַֽחֲרֵי־כֵ֗ן אֲשֶׁ֨ר יָבֹ֜אוּ בְּנֵ֤י הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם וְיָלְד֖וּ לָהֶ֑ם הֵ֧מָּההַגִּבֹּרִ֛ים אֲשֶׁ֥ר מֵעוֹלָ֖ם אַנְשֵׁ֥י הַשֵּֽׁם׃פ}
It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared on earth—when divine beings cohabited with the human women, who bore them offspring. Such were the heroes of old, the men of renown

BS manuscript. That's not in the Masoretic Text

 

[Aaron56]

To be clear on my position...

There is terrestrial wisdom (wisdom from below) and there is heavenly wisdom (wisdom from above). Wisdom from below will always be corrupted by the desires of men. So, even though something may seem right to men it is not necessarily right in the eyes of the Lord. As saints of the Most High, we are required to examine things in the earth using wisdom from above. Often, because of people's personal investment in a thing, wisdom from above often angers both sides of an argument.

 

[HeIsHere]

It's not wrong. Every single time Israel has made an offer of peace, Hamas has turned it down. Every , single, time. That's easily proven.

Because I can be assured you have read every single historical primary source document that pertained to the negotiations over the years.

 

[lrs68]

BS manuscript. That's not in the Masoretic Text

Who said the I use the Masoretic?

There's more true authentic texts before that.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Of course it doesn't matter now because we have no need for a Temple but the Version GOD GAVE TO MOSHE is still the only truth that will ever exist.

But that doesn"t exist anymore in Hebrew form.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Who said the I use the Masoretic?

There's more true authentic texts before that.

Tell us what they are

 

[lrs68]

But that doesn"t exist anymore in Hebrew form.

Who says?

 

[lrs68]

Tell us what they are

Why would a Jew help someone who attacks the Jews?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Imagine thinking that selling bullets, bombs, and tanks to a certain country is worshiping God.

or that those bombs are Gods way of restoring his people according to his word

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Why would a Jew help someone who attacks the Jews?

I don't know, but you're projecting like a wokebot if you are saying I'm attacking you because I disagree with you. It's a slanderous spirit that does that.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Who says?

That's my understanding of what the experts say. If you know different, show us.

 

[lrs68]

I don't know, but you're projecting like a wokebot if you are saying I'm attacking you because I disagree with you. It's a slanderous spirit that does that.

I don't personally feel attacked but I do understand your position on the issue being discussed within this thread.

But that aside, I provided factual Hebrew Text and it also included the English translation so you could understand it.

Let me also say this, the oral traditions of Enoch existed ever since Enoch was taken up by God. We have Jesus, Paul, Jude, Peter, John all quoting Enoch in several places [(obviously INSPIRED by the Holy Spirit)]. And many discredit [maybe not the oral traditions we still use today] but the written version that match the New Testament writers on 20+ occasions.

What I am saying is Jews have become cautious and careful with what they share and you shouldn't feel offended just informed.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I don't personally feel attacked but I do understand your position on the issue being discussed within this thread.

But that aside, I provided factual Hebrew Text and it also included the English translation so you could understand it.

Let me also say this, the oral traditions of Enoch existed ever since Enoch was taken up by God. We have Jesus, Paul, Jude, Peter, John all quoting Enoch in several places [(obviously INSPIRED by the Holy Spirit)]. And many discredit [maybe not the oral traditions we still use today] but the written version that match the New Testament writers on 20+ occasions.

What I am saying is Jews have become cautious and careful with what they share and you shouldn't feel offended just informed.

What makes you think I would feel offended? I honestly don't think what you are withholding has any value. One or two quotes from the oral tradition of Enoch that appear in the NT doesn't mean the book of Enoch we have now is authentic. I'm 100% sure it's not

 

[lrs68]

What makes you think I would feel offended? I honestly don't think what you are withholding has any value. One or two quotes from the oral tradition of Enoch that appear in the NT doesn't mean the book of Enoch we have now is authentic. I'm 100% sure it's not

I am merely mentioning issues that are best avoided.

 

[Caan]

It's not wrong. Every single time Israel has made an offer of peace, Hamas has turned it down. Every , single, time. That's easily proven.

Thank You!!
I needed to refresh my memory on the number of times,
1) 1947 UN PARTITION PLAN
2) 1993-94 OSLO ACCORDS
3) 2000 FOLLOW UP OFFER
4) 2005 GAZA EVACUATION ORDER
5) 2008 PEACE PROPOSAL
6) 2009 TWO STATE PEACE OFFER
7) 2020 PEACE PLAN
ALL of which were rejected outright.

 

[HeIsHere]

Thank You!!
I needed to refresh my memory on the number of times,
1) 1947 UN PARTITION PLAN
2) 1993-94 OSLO ACCORDS
3) 2000 FOLLOW UP OFFER
4) 2005 GAZA EVACUATION ORDER
5) 2008 PEACE PROPOSAL
6) 2009 TWO STATE PEACE OFFER
7) 2020 PEACE PLAN
ALL of which were rejected outright.

Wrong again, Fox news lies.

 

[TabinRivCA]

Imagine thinking that selling bullets, bombs, and tanks to a certain country is worshiping God.

What's the alternative choice, get annihilated?

 

[HeIsHere]

What's the alternative choice, get annihilated?

Only one country in the Middle East has nukes.

Libya learned a big lesson didn't they.

 

[HeIsHere]

We do understand God's plan for humanity and war is not part of it. The land doesn't need to be cleansed, human hearts do and Jesus has showed us the way, which excludes warfare except against the flesh. Warfare is the way of the world

From whence [come] wars and fightings among you? [come they] not hence, [even] of your lusts that war in your members? Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume [it] upon your lusts. Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:1-4​

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Amen love this... "human hearts need to be cleansed" war only harden hearts and should always be a very last resort.