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More a to do list with a spiritual relationship to a bank?
Isaiah 1:16-17 "Wash yourselves and be clean! Get your sins out of my sight. Give up your evil ways. Learn to do good. Seek justice. Help the oppressed. Defend the cause of orphans. Fight for the rights of widows."

Do not quench the Spirit.
Do not grieve the Spirit.
Be filled with the Spirit.
Walk in the Spirit.
1 John 1:9 and
Grow in His Grace and Knowledge.

The "to do list" cannot be accomplished until we KNOW how to live the Christian way of life........
 
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Isaiah 1:16-17 "Wash yourselves and be clean! Get your sins out of my sight. Give up your evil ways. Learn to do good. Seek justice. Help the oppressed. Defend the cause of orphans. Fight for the rights of widows."

Do not quench the Spirit.
Do not grieve the Spirit.
Be filled with the Spirit.
Walk in the Spirit.
1 John 1:9 and
Grow in His Grace and Knowledge.

The "to do list" cannot be accomplished until we KNOW how to live the Christian way of life........
On topic, I am very sure my feet don't need to be washed in a special mikvah to enter the place of worship I attend, this is because I put on clean socks, not because I want to be noticed having my feet washed by the organist. Which is perfectly fine. I apparently don't play with dogs... That's not clean. But I am not ritually impure for touching one... Whatever with that.
 
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On topic, I am very sure my feet don't need to be washed in a special mikvah to enter the place of worship I attend, this is because I put on clean socks, not because I want to be noticed having my feet washed by the organist. Which is perfectly fine. I apparently don't play with dogs... That's not clean. But I am not ritually impure for touching one... Whatever with that.
You And I need our feet washed all the time......We walk in this world. And most of us fail more than we like to admit.

John 15:2
Jesus said to him, “He who has bathed needs only to wash his feet; otherwise he is completely clean. And you are clean—but not all of you.

1 John 1:9 is our "foot wash."

Here are some really sound and doctrinal teachers.......You will be blessed with His Grace and Knowledge.

https://gbible.org/e-books/doctrine-of-supergrace/

https://www.rbthieme.org/index.html

https://www.cgtruth.org/

https://www.sermonaudio.com/speakers/8276/
 
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You And I need our feet washed all the time......We walk in this world. And most of us fail more than we like to admit.

John 15:2
Jesus said to him, “He who has bathed needs only to wash his feet; otherwise he is completely clean. And you are clean—but not all of you.

1 John 1:9 is our "foot wash."

Here are some really sound and doctrinal teachers.......You will be blessed with His Grace and Knowledge.

https://gbible.org/e-books/doctrine-of-supergrace/

https://www.rbthieme.org/index.html

https://www.cgtruth.org/

https://www.sermonaudio.com/speakers/8276/
You know, we actually let the organist wash our feet in a Divine Service of the Presbyterian Church. I would hope that was a blessing, not a turnstyle to get into a group of people with "chut spah"
 
And these old testament saints as you described them did war against many others in and around gaza. In fact God had called them to war against them. So what does that mean.
Judgment begins in the house of the Lord. At war with his people is war with God.
Don't try to paint the picture of peaceful Palestinians and Israeli terrorists it is not the case and you know it.
Day one of the return....war with surrounding nations.
I believe that God controls everything, that Israel or any other nation or people
do not superseded God. He can stop the war at any time, question is why hasn't he? His people are getting alot of bad press for this.
The world seems to be against Israel . Why ?

I have three examples of God's judgement on three different groups of people to consider with you:

1. Judges 1:18 Also Judah took Gaza with the coast thereof, and Askelon with the coast thereof, and Ekron with the coast thereof.
And the Lord was with Judah;

2. Eziekiel 7:2 ...thus saith the Lord God unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.
Now is the end come upon thee, and I will send mine anger upon thee, and will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense upon thee all thine abominations.

3. Jonah 1:2 Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.

The question is: How should we now regard those people who God once judged?
What attitude should we have to the lands that their modern ancestors now live in?
I have no difficulty in understanding that none of those judgements are frozen in time in a way that we should consider the children of those people inferior.
In fact all three of those peoples had the mercy and kindness of God shown to them in times to come.
The Canaanites who God punished at that time also lived in the land of Gaza.
If God had intended to wipe out their DNA, as I have heard some say, He would have to wipe out the Israelites too, because all Simeon's wives were Canaanites, and 2 Canaanite born women, Tamar and Rahab, were named in the genealogy of Christ (Mathew 1).
Times change, People change and so does God's relationship with them.

Regarding the balance of morality between modern Israel and modern Palestine, it does not really matter what you and I think because we are all accountable to Jesus.
Unfortunately however this puts you in a weak position, because you are trying to defend the killing of tens of thousands of children.
Though you may persuade many religious people, you most definitely do not have Jesus on your side, and that is what counts.

The good news for you is that you can fix all of this easily and free of charge.
All you have to do is switch positions.
Don't forget, God's chosen people ALL chose Jesus.
 
I have three examples of God's judgement on three different groups of people to consider with you:

1. Judges 1:18 Also Judah took Gaza with the coast thereof, and Askelon with the coast thereof, and Ekron with the coast thereof.
And the Lord was with Judah;

2. Eziekiel 7:2 ...thus saith the Lord God unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.
Now is the end come upon thee, and I will send mine anger upon thee, and will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense upon thee all thine abominations.

3. Jonah 1:2 Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.

The question is: How should we now regard those people who God once judged?
What attitude should we have to the lands that their modern ancestors now live in?
I have no difficulty in understanding that none of those judgements are frozen in time in a way that we should consider the children of those people inferior.
In fact all three of those peoples had the mercy and kindness of God shown to them in times to come.
The Canaanites who God punished at that time also lived in the land of Gaza.
If God had intended to wipe out their DNA, as I have heard some say, He would have to wipe out the Israelites too, because all Simeon's wives were Canaanites, and 2 Canaanite born women, Tamar and Rahab, were named in the genealogy of Christ (Mathew 1).
Times change, People change and so does God's relationship with them.

Regarding the balance of morality between modern Israel and modern Palestine, it does not really matter what you and I think because we are all accountable to Jesus.
Unfortunately however this puts you in a weak position, because you are trying to defend the killing of tens of thousands of children.
Though you may persuade many religious people, you most definitely do not have Jesus on your side, and that is what counts.

The good news for you is that you can fix all of this easily and free of charge.
All you have to do is switch positions.
Don't forget, God's chosen people ALL chose Jesus.

Im not defending Israel so much as I am exploiting a lie. I stand firm on my beliefs of Israel.
I have put the challenge out there .....show me scripture that God said Israel lost the promise and are forsaken.
That a nation born in one day is not the hand of God, or in the latter days a fake israel will rise.
I hope i am in a weak position for God is my strength,
 
Im not defending Israel so much as I am exploiting a lie. I stand firm on my beliefs of Israel.
I have put the challenge out there .....show me scripture that God said Israel lost the promise and are forsaken.
That a nation born in one day is not the hand of God, or in the latter days a fake israel will rise.
I hope i am in a weak position for God is my strength,

Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

The reason I have quoted this proverb is because I think that the difference in understanding between you and I exists for reasons only known to God.
There are things in the Bible that many prefer not to understand, and Jesus actually accommodates them by teaching the most consequential things in Parables.

I am willing to answer your question, but I think that it is fair that you first answer some of my questions about the parable of the unjust husbandmen in Mathew 21:33:

1.Who is the householder?
2.What is the vineyard?
3.Who are the husbandmen?
4.Who were the servants?
5.What did the husbandmen do to the servants?
6.Who was the Son?
7.What did the husbandmen do to the son?
8.Why did they do it?
9.What will the Lord do to those husbandmen?
10. What is the "nation" to whom the kingdom of God will be given?
 
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I have put the challenge out there ..... show me scripture ...
That a nation born in one day is not the hand of God.
It doesn"t matter what scripture we show you because you don't believe what is written. You believe TV preachers' lies.
The body of Christ was born in a day at Pentecost, and Peter later called it the holy nation of God.
Nation.
Born in a day.
Couldn't be clearer.
But you still don't believe it

You've been shown God's nation that was born in a day, but you don't believe what is written. It's not a matter of scripture not existing; it's a matter of faith in God's words not existing
 
Now the remnant Israel elect Paul said God has not cast them away, the foreknown Rom 11:2, the reason why is because, since they are the same ones of Rom 8:29, they had been predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son Rom 8:29-30

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

So thats why God had not and will not cast away His People whom He foreknew Rom 11:1-2

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying, 14
 
Now the remnant Israel elect Paul said God has not cast them away, the foreknown Rom 11:2, the reason why is because, since they are the same ones of Rom 8:29, they had been predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son Rom 8:29-30

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

So thats why God had not and will not cast away His People whom He foreknew Rom 11:1-2

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying, 14

"Predestinate?" As in the determined place of what again? The Soul?
 
What makes you all so upset about acknowledging the Holocaust?




Yes, you have, then they were forced to admit they were fake.


Hopefully they are upset because the Holy Spirit is convicting them of their misguided hate.

Sad news today as “fake” Jew Anne Frank’s step sister died. More reminders to them that 6 million Jews really were tortured and killed by the same hatred they foment:

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Eva Schloss, Holocaust survivor and Anne Frank's stepsister, dies at 96
Updated on: January 5, 2026 / 10:12 AM EST / CBS/AP
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Auschwitz survivor Eva Schloss, the stepsister of teenage diarist Anne Frank and a tireless educator about the horrors of the Holocaust, has died. She was 96.
The Anne Frank Trust UK, of which Schloss was an honorary president, said she died on Saturday in London, where she had lived.
Schloss' family remembered her as "a remarkable woman: an Auschwitz survivor, a devoted Holocaust educator, tireless in her work for remembrance, understanding and peace."

Born Eva Geiringer in Vienna in 1929, Schloss fled with her family to Amsterdam after Nazi Germany annexed Austria. She became friends with another Jewish girl of the same age, Anne Frank, whose diary would become one of the most famous chronicles of the Holocaust.
Like the Franks, Eva's family spent two years in hiding to avoid capture after the Nazis occupied the Netherlands. They were eventually betrayed, arrested and sent to the Auschwitz death camp.
"Eighty people were pushed in there and there were two buckets -- one with water, one to use as toilets," Schloss recalled in 2019 to CBS Minnesota about Auschwitz. "Once a day, they threw big chunks of bread in, like you would feed wild animals."
"It lives with me all the time. All the time," she added.
Schloss and her mother, Fritzi, survived until the camp was liberated by Soviet troops in 1945. Her father, Erich, and brother Heinz died in Auschwitz.
After the war, Eva moved to Britain, married German Jewish refugee Zvi Schloss and settled in London.

In 1953, her mother married Frank's father, Otto, the only member of his immediate family to survive. Anne Frank died of typhus in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp at the age of 15, months before the end of the war.
Schloss did not speak publicly about her experiences for decades, later saying that wartime trauma had made her withdrawn and unable to connect with others.
After she addressed the opening of an Anne Frank exhibition in London in 1986, Schloss made it her mission to educate younger generations about the Nazi genocide.
"We said, 'Never again, Auschwitz.' We have learned our lesson," Schloss told CBS Minnesota. "The Germans were not all for Hitler, but they were bystanders and that is what I tell people they shouldn't be."
Over the following decades, she spoke in schools and prisons, at international conferences and told her story in books, including "Eva's Story: A Survivor's Tale by the Stepsister of Anne Frank."
 
Hopefully they are upset because the Holy Spirit is convicting them of their misguided hate.

Sad news today as “fake” Jew Anne Frank’s step sister died. More reminders to them that 6 million Jews really were tortured and killed by the same hatred they foment:

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Eva Schloss, Holocaust survivor and Anne Frank's stepsister, dies at 96
Updated on: January 5, 2026 / 10:12 AM EST / CBS/AP
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Auschwitz survivor Eva Schloss, the stepsister of teenage diarist Anne Frank and a tireless educator about the horrors of the Holocaust, has died. She was 96.
The Anne Frank Trust UK, of which Schloss was an honorary president, said she died on Saturday in London, where she had lived.
Schloss' family remembered her as "a remarkable woman: an Auschwitz survivor, a devoted Holocaust educator, tireless in her work for remembrance, understanding and peace."

Born Eva Geiringer in Vienna in 1929, Schloss fled with her family to Amsterdam after Nazi Germany annexed Austria. She became friends with another Jewish girl of the same age, Anne Frank, whose diary would become one of the most famous chronicles of the Holocaust.
Like the Franks, Eva's family spent two years in hiding to avoid capture after the Nazis occupied the Netherlands. They were eventually betrayed, arrested and sent to the Auschwitz death camp.
"Eighty people were pushed in there and there were two buckets -- one with water, one to use as toilets," Schloss recalled in 2019 to CBS Minnesota about Auschwitz. "Once a day, they threw big chunks of bread in, like you would feed wild animals."
"It lives with me all the time. All the time," she added.
Schloss and her mother, Fritzi, survived until the camp was liberated by Soviet troops in 1945. Her father, Erich, and brother Heinz died in Auschwitz.
After the war, Eva moved to Britain, married German Jewish refugee Zvi Schloss and settled in London.

In 1953, her mother married Frank's father, Otto, the only member of his immediate family to survive. Anne Frank died of typhus in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp at the age of 15, months before the end of the war.
Schloss did not speak publicly about her experiences for decades, later saying that wartime trauma had made her withdrawn and unable to connect with others.
After she addressed the opening of an Anne Frank exhibition in London in 1986, Schloss made it her mission to educate younger generations about the Nazi genocide.
"We said, 'Never again, Auschwitz.' We have learned our lesson," Schloss told CBS Minnesota. "The Germans were not all for Hitler, but they were bystanders and that is what I tell people they shouldn't be."
Over the following decades, she spoke in schools and prisons, at international conferences and told her story in books, including "Eva's Story: A Survivor's Tale by the Stepsister of Anne Frank."

What is the take away lesson from all of that?
Is it that the strong should not oppress the weak?
Is it that all that question Netanyahoo must be blamed?
Is it that all who believe in the kingdom of Christ must be blamed?

Why is it that whenever false theology regarding modern Israel is exposed, someone brings out the holocaust and starts pointing fingers?

Political Zionism pre-dates the holocaust, as the plans were in place before Hitler was born.
Hitler supported the plan, and modern Israel benefited from it all.

There is however a group of people in this time that are being exterminated while racist "Christians" stand aside.
 
Hopefully they are upset because the Holy Spirit is convicting them of their misguided hate.

Sad news today as “fake” Jew Anne Frank’s step sister died. More reminders to them that 6 million Jews really were tortured and killed by the same hatred they foment:

View attachment 283920
Eva Schloss, Holocaust survivor and Anne Frank's stepsister, dies at 96
Updated on: January 5, 2026 / 10:12 AM EST / CBS/AP
Add CBS News on Google
Auschwitz survivor Eva Schloss, the stepsister of teenage diarist Anne Frank and a tireless educator about the horrors of the Holocaust, has died. She was 96.
The Anne Frank Trust UK, of which Schloss was an honorary president, said she died on Saturday in London, where she had lived.
Schloss' family remembered her as "a remarkable woman: an Auschwitz survivor, a devoted Holocaust educator, tireless in her work for remembrance, understanding and peace."

Born Eva Geiringer in Vienna in 1929, Schloss fled with her family to Amsterdam after Nazi Germany annexed Austria. She became friends with another Jewish girl of the same age, Anne Frank, whose diary would become one of the most famous chronicles of the Holocaust.
Like the Franks, Eva's family spent two years in hiding to avoid capture after the Nazis occupied the Netherlands. They were eventually betrayed, arrested and sent to the Auschwitz death camp.
"Eighty people were pushed in there and there were two buckets -- one with water, one to use as toilets," Schloss recalled in 2019 to CBS Minnesota about Auschwitz. "Once a day, they threw big chunks of bread in, like you would feed wild animals."
"It lives with me all the time. All the time," she added.
Schloss and her mother, Fritzi, survived until the camp was liberated by Soviet troops in 1945. Her father, Erich, and brother Heinz died in Auschwitz.
After the war, Eva moved to Britain, married German Jewish refugee Zvi Schloss and settled in London.

In 1953, her mother married Frank's father, Otto, the only member of his immediate family to survive. Anne Frank died of typhus in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp at the age of 15, months before the end of the war.
Schloss did not speak publicly about her experiences for decades, later saying that wartime trauma had made her withdrawn and unable to connect with others.
After she addressed the opening of an Anne Frank exhibition in London in 1986, Schloss made it her mission to educate younger generations about the Nazi genocide.
"We said, 'Never again, Auschwitz.' We have learned our lesson," Schloss told CBS Minnesota. "The Germans were not all for Hitler, but they were bystanders and that is what I tell people they shouldn't be."
Over the following decades, she spoke in schools and prisons, at international conferences and told her story in books, including "Eva's Story: A Survivor's Tale by the Stepsister of Anne Frank."


And here again he (CR) says "Absence of veneration/reverence is not hate".

As if what God commands doesn't matter, they are as stiff necked as any Jew. Bless the Jews, pray for the peace of Jerusalem. So full of their own opinion and pride.
 
And here again he (CR) says "Absence of veneration/reverence is not hate".

As if what God commands doesn't matter, they are as stiff necked as any Jew. Bless the Jews, pray for the peace of Jerusalem. So full of their own opinion and pride.

Do you venerate/reverence Mary? If not why do you hate her so much?

btw are you going to respond to my post about the covenants?
 
There are some who doubt the role of Israel in God's plan and purpose. If that is so, perhaps you can explain this from the book of Revelation.
Revelation 7:3-8
“Do not harm the land or sea or trees until we have placed a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”

And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel:

From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, and from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

Also Romans 11: 25 & 26.
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob.

These things are obviously future. God is not done with Israel yet.

It is noteworthy that the tribe of Dan is not included in the 144,000. God rejected Dan because they allied themselves with the Philistines instead of conquering them as God had commanded. That compromise caused great trouble for Israel later on. We do well not to compromise with God's enemies.
You make a strong case from the text itself. Revelation clearly names Israel by tribes, which is hard to dismiss as symbolic of something else. Romans 11 also supports the idea of a future work God is still doing with Israel, not a finished story. People may debate interpretation, but Scripture does not present Israel as replaced or forgotten.
 
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