Israel.

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes agree, and it very stated right at the beginning that the book is about the revealing of Christ Jesus.
Not about matching current events and seeing how and when it lines up with the Book.

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

Agree, also helpful to keep in mind the language and the symbolism is to protect those receiving the letters, that is why the beast and other people and places are not named but are given "covert" names, but the people to whom the letters were written could put it together.

Yeah amen makes sense. remember daniels four beasts ? With seven heads and ten horns ? Prior to the son of man coming in the clouds and receiving his kingdom in heaven at gods throne ?


“Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. The first was like a lion, …..And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, …..After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.


I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:2-8, 13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

apocalypse of that same thing is found in revelation

“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Johns vision is more than half way through he’s seeing past present and future in one beast

… And there are seven kings:

five are fallen,( past ) and one is, ( johns present) and the other is not yet come; ( johns near future probably Nero ) and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.


( notice this is a different occurrence in the future after the seventh head one of the heads returns with ten companion kings and makes the war against the lamb and is destroyed when he returns )

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; ( future ) but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. ( not a literal hour but very brief time period )

These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of Lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.” 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The New Testament really is apacalyptic coming from the old , revelation especially with its imagery . Almost every image is coming from some Old Testament prophecy or New Testament teaching or event regarding Jesus and his kingdom

Like the lamb who’s been slain yet lives appearing before on throne at the right hand of God . These are things the gospel teaches about Jesus who is the lamb of god who died for our sins and rose again and then ascended to the throne at gods right hand . The image Carries the understanding of doctrine . Like Jesus dying for our sins and yet still being alive forever like the lamb John sees at the throne who receive the praise and glory and his kingdom as all creation begins worshipping God and the lamb

Or Like the lambs seven eyes ?

“Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH. For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭3:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this then leads to another study of course regarding the branch of the lord the bright and morning star Jesus Christ but that’s another path ….

All of those images in revelation are references from prophecy and doctrines of the Bible it’s apacalyptic in nature the book of revelation i mean

it’s really an amazing book

 

[Pilgrimshope]

That is another error made, thinking the authors of the letters are addressing unbelievers, unless specifically stated I would agree all letters are written with believers in mind.

Yeah they are letters written specifically to the churches.

i think he was saying that “ believers wouldn’t be caught unaware “ which was the whole point Jesus taught about the thief in the night . No one is ever going to be able to calculate his return . But if we’re always watching and ready then when he comes we’ll be ready and not caught unaware like the world who ignores the gospel and does t know the things he said to watch for


when Jesus taught it in the gospel , when Paul taught it in his letter and when Peter taught it in his letter , it’s always about the same lesson “ ne diligent and be ready and watch because you don’t know the day or time he’s coming. It’s like being ready in case a thief comes to try to rob you . Be ready and watch and pray is the lesson because it could come anytime.

sometimes they talk about unbelievers but it’s always information meant to be known by the believers or “ anyone willing to hear and believe it “

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You negated every fact about the evils of Zionism...but many people do because they want to see their dreams come true.

I gave my definition of Zionism, I asked for yours. It's important to know what we mean when we use this word. Please answer the question.

I live here, let just share some friendly facts you just quickly search online to show you how "G-dly the State is":
- Tel Aviv is worse than Las Vegas by 100x

In what manner, I've never been to either place.

- There is more trash on the grounds here than in a dump in New York

So gather some volunteers and go clean it up. That has nothing to do with God. Israel is a small country, I would expect trash to be an issue.

- The quality of food, structures etc, was better in 1800's than what we have today

So you wanna go back to Egypt?

- The Army has thrown over 100 young newly married men in jail for the crime of studying the BIBLE and they come in the middle of the night with Armoured trucks

Research shows this is untrue.

-- We have one of the highest abortions rates in the world and immorality is very great here

Research shows this is untrue. America and Canada both have higher rates.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/abortion-rates-by-country

- The secular school system refrains from any mention of G-d or any teachings of the bible

A simple Google search "No, Israel does not refrain from any mention of God or the teachings of the Bible. As the nation-state of the Jewish people, Israel is deeply tied to Jewish religion, history, and culture, which are based on the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh). "

• Biblical Teachings in Education: In the Israeli school system, biblical studies (Tanakh) are a mandatory subject. While religious schools teach the Bible from a religious perspective, even secular schools study it as a foundational text of Jewish and Israeli history.

- There is more hate between one another than many places primarily due too the extreme pressure the gov't puts on the residences

I don't understand what your point is here. Please elaborate.

-- 1/3 of children live in poverty....in one of the most advanced cities in the world!

Perhaps if Israel didn't have to spend so much on defending their people they would have money to help the needy more. What point are you making here? Israel is keeping food from children? There are reasons for this poverty, which I read up on. I don't see what point you're making.

-- Christians are persecuted by the IDF and some churches have been bulldozed over recently for no reason but to occupy more land

Googled and found no solid facts to back up this claim.

- The entire world is growing in anti-semitism and the world and Israeli leaders know that we are killing ourselves with these horrible acts...like what kind of Testimony of Holiness are we sharing???

So, Oct 7, that was done by Jews to Jews. Is that what you're saying?

-Please listen. The State of Israel and its Founders are part of the Beast. They are here to fool the world and it is very hard. The State of Israel has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible, G-dliness or even Jews for that matter. It was created and the founders clearly state that it was to attract Jews to the land and to kill G-d and the religion. Only this time instead of looking like an enemy, they dressed up in all the sheeps clothings you can think of.

Israel wasn't founded, Israel has a history of over 3000 yrs. Israel became a country again in 48. Israel has everything to do with the Bible. God said He would gather the Jews back from where He has scattered them around the world, to Israel, where they would never be uprooted again. You'd have to be absolutely blind to miss what the Word says about Israel. God made a promise. And if God doesn't keep His promises we might as well toss the Bible in the corner with every other fictional book.

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I assume many of you live in USA. Do you not know the real reason why USA is the only country that full supports us? Do you know not know why you donated Billions to Israel? I will give you a hint. Go look at the History of your country and its origins and you will see Zionist hands all over it. Go read Protocols of Zion.

Please don't insult me by believing I'm that ignorant. Protocols of Zion. You just ripped up everything you wrote above. If you're a Jew, you sure are a self hating one. You should seek help for that.

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.Zionist are simply Satanic and might as well call them Nazis.

You lost any sincerity with the Protocols of Zion comment. I noticed the same three that liked your post have loudly screamed that they aren't antisemitic, demanded apologies, played victims and yet have no issue with the Protocols of Zion. Tell me you're anti- Jew without telling me you're anti-Jew. Thank you, you've made the point that I have been making through this entire thread. If you're a racist, at least have the intestinal fortitude to stand up and admit who you are. You've cleared up any doubt, people can see who they really are. Red Xs will not stop me from calling out antisemitism, you're simply proving me right with your hate.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Well when I first started this conversation, under my other name, here years ago, I was pretty calm about it toI o. Back then a Holocaust denier hopped on and lit a match. I don't know if they are still here. I haven't settled whether there are deniers in this thread or not. I don't think this subject would be so heated except for Oct 7.

CommodoreTeach you red xed comment because?

 

[Melach]

notice how israel got used to bullying hamas terrorists who are equipped with nothing but rifles and rockets that do nothing. then they thought they could do the same to iran and as soon as tel aviv got hit (and jerusalem too i think) they started backing down on their assassination plans and started negotiating a peace deal. they realized that iran isnt as useless as hamas. they are no match for israel military but they can do a dent to israel in a way that makes the people beg for peace. they have been completely sheltered from harm for years.

somehow they managed to turn themselves into a victim while they were the first to fire on iran.

i hope all you christian people understand that jews and muslims are exactly the same people. talmud and quran/hadith both preach the same thing. superiority over non-muslims and non-jews, heathens life is not worth much and both writings have a thing for allowing children to be abused.

stop supporting these people financially. dont send money to israel, dont send money to palestinians. let them battle out their wars of desert idolatry.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

notice how israel got used to bullying hamas terrorists who are equipped with nothing but rifles and rockets that do nothing. then they thought they could do the same to iran and as soon as tel aviv got hit (and jerusalem too i think) they started backing down on their assassination plans and started negotiating a peace deal. they realized that iran isnt as useless as hamas. they are no match for israel military but they can do a dent to israel in a way that makes the people beg for peace. they have been completely sheltered from harm for years.

somehow they managed to turn themselves into a victim while they were the first to fire on iran.

i hope all you christian people understand that jews and muslims are exactly the same people. talmud and quran/hadith both preach the same thing. superiority over non-muslims and non-jews, heathens life is not worth much and both writings have a thing for allowing children to be abused.

stop supporting these people financially. dont send money to israel, dont send money to palestinians. let them battle out their wars of desert idolatry.

That Israeli woman @0:31 who mocked Palestinians while dressed as an Arab with the black stuff on her teeth to make herself look like a hillbilly filmed herself later in another video crying as she was walking through her completely destroyed house. Boom! Boom!

 

[CommodoreTeach]

CommodoreTeach you red xed comment because?

You still haven't apologised. If you weren't lying previously when you indicated you never intended to apologise, I don't see why you're asking me questions, because we can't converse until you apologise. Until you do this, I can't answer your questions given your propensity to dishonesty.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You still haven't apologised.

You know the answer and why.

If you weren't lying previously when you indicated you never intended to apologise, I don't see why you're asking me questions, because we can't converse until you apologise.

You need to get a life instead of following me around the forum with your red x. It's childish, grow up.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You need to get a life instead of following me around the forum with your red x. It's childish, grow up.

So he proves my point ... rofl Troll.

 

[God-fearing]

I think what is needed in this thread is a study and non opinionated search for truth in Gods word.
May I suggest looking at why these opinions and what God says seems contrary in the matter of Israel.
Those who truly seek truth in prayer and understanding seek a good thing.
Keep in mind that only God's word prevails not our interpretation. Not what the narrative of the media, the majority, or what we have been taught to believe.
The depth of the atonement that our lord has done goes far beyond a sin offering. It also involves these matters in depth that we are in debate with right now. A very complex issue that Jesus has made peace with the Father for us as well as Israel.
In order for the new Jerusalem to be brought in which is Gods ultimate goal the old has to be fulfilled .
You can't escape that. Gods pencil does not have a eraser on it. The separation of jews and Zionism was Gods intent .
May I suggest that one study what happened and why after king David's reign.
Please no opinions just Gods word.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I think what is needed in this thread is a study and non opinionated search for truth in Gods word.
May I suggest looking at why these opinions and what God says seems contrary in the matter of Israel.
Those who truly seek truth in prayer and understanding seek a good thing.
Keep in mind that only God's word prevails not our interpretation. Not what the narrative of the media, the majority, or what we have been taught to believe.
The depth of the atonement that our lord has done goes far beyond a sin offering. It also involves these matters in depth that we are in debate with right now. A very complex issue that Jesus has made peace with the Father for us as well as Israel.
In order for the new Jerusalem to be brought in which is Gods ultimate goal the old has to be fulfilled .
You can't escape that. Gods pencil does not have a eraser on it. The separation of jews and Zionism was Gods intent .
May I suggest that one study what happened and why after king David's reign.
Please no opinions just Gods word.

You can try. But the Jew-haters aren't interested in the truth.

Despite the hate and opposition, God is taking good care of Israel and preserving their existence. From what I'm seeing, they're taking back control of Gaza which is good news. They just have to take Judea and Samaria back 100% after that.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

You can try. But the Jew-haters aren't interested in the truth.

Despite the hate and opposition, God is taking good care of Israel and preserving their existence. From what I'm seeing, they're taking back control of Gaza which is good news. They just have to take Judea and Samaria back 100% after that.

Taking Gaza at the cost of life is a good thing?If I don't agree with the state of Israel and that automatically makes me a Jew hater, doe's that make you a Palestinian hater if going by your logic?

 

[HeIsHere]

Taking Gaza at the cost of life is a good thing?If I don't agree with the state of Israel and that automatically makes me a Jew hater, doe's that make you a Palestinian hater if going by your logic?

They have minimal (if that) understanding of this conflict, but it is very easy to just slander people so that is what they do.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Taking Gaza at the cost of life is a good thing?If I don't agree with the state of Israel and that automatically makes me a Jew hater, doe's that make you a Palestinian hater if going by your logic?

They have minimal (if that) understanding of this conflict, but it is very easy to just slander people so that is what they do.

*Shrug* Tell God He's wrong to side with Israel then. Tell Him He's wrong for protecting their existence.

 

[HeIsHere]

*Shrug* Tell God He's wrong to side with Israel then. Tell Him He's wrong for protecting their existence.

If you knew what you were talking about you would know they are are the original aggressors and..... where is that prophet again leading them back into the holy land.

Oh right there is no one.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

They have minimal (if that) understanding of this conflict, but it is very easy to just slander people so that is what they do.

I think some of them just need to see literal physical things for prophecy to make sense for them.If you were to put all of the verses for and against the state of Israel posted here on a scale it would tip in favor of spiritual Israel.

 

[God-fearing]

If you knew what you were talking about you would know they are are the original aggressors and..... where is that prophet again leading them back into the holy land.

Oh right there is no one.

As I said before the first thing we have to understand is the divided israel and the atonement of Christ.
If you or anyone else want to chime in on opinion or media coverage that will be a clear indication that they do not want to know the truth.
So do you know why israel is divided? What happened. Or some inside on the atonement of Christ. What it entails?
If so please share.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

As I said before the first thing we have to understand is the divided israel and the atonement of Christ.
If you or anyone else want to chime in on opinion or media coverage that will be a clear indication that they do not want to know the truth.
So do you know why israel is divided? What happened. Or some inside on the atonement of Christ. What it entails?
If so please share.

I'm not sure why Gaza and the West Bank (which is actually Judea and Samaria) were divided. I think it's a compromise for peace since Israel hadn't learned to fully trust God. Not yet anyway.

But there are prophecies that Israel will get Gaza and Judea and Samaria back. It looks they're coming true. I'm just watching things as they unfold and praying for them in the meantime.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

But there are prophecies that Israel will get Gaza and Judea and Samaria back. It looks they're coming true. I'm just watching things as they unfold and praying for them in the meantime.

Praying for Christian Palestinians to be displaced from their homes and have their land stolen. More concerned about seeing your perverse understanding of prophecy being fulfilled than you are about the well-being of brothers and sisters in Christ. You are so blind not to see it.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Praying for Christian Palestinians to be displaced from their homes and have their land stolen. More concerned about seeing your perverse understanding of prophecy being fulfilled than you are about the well-being of brothers and sisters in Christ. You are so blind not to see it.

I'm not worried for my Christian brothers and sisters among them. God takes care of them too, did you all forget? Why would God not provide something better for them? You have no faith in God. You are so blind not to see it.