Israel Declares War

[Cameron143]

How about Israel's being set on ethnic cleansing and committing genocide does that have any negative impact?

Again, it is not about blame, it is about understanding the legitimate grievances of the the refugees and the inhabitants of the land who wanted a two state solution, with the right of self-determination, but was shut down each time by Netnahooo

Again, plenty of blame on all sides. Understanding whose worse than who doesn't fix anything. Either you want the killing to end or you don't. Given the reality of the situation, innocent people are going to die either way. Since more will die if things go back to business as usual, I'm in favor of trying something else that will actually end the killing.
I hear a lot of people grumbling and complaining. I hear few solutions.

 

[cv5]

They have been written by God and they have been fulfilled, but I reserve the right to look them up because I have not done that yet.

By all means look them up. And I would also look into the "sheep and goats judgement".

Simply stated: during the "end times" (actually it is the beginning of the DOTL) 70th week of Daniel, the nations that help Israel are the "sheep", whereas the nations that hate Israel are the "goats".

Hating Israel is no trivial matter. It can land you in the lake of fire for eternity. Because the real sentiment underlying hating Israel is actually the hate of the God that loves Israel.

Oh and by the way..........serious believing legit Christians have all those passages I quoted committed to memory.

 

[cv5]

If I ever find the time I may actually wrote a post showing the fulfillment, but then I tell my self why should I embark on a fool's errand.

I think even the most versed person in non-futurist doctrine would never convince you, and there are many.

For good analysis search for a post by @Angela53510 on the rapture, I think she deals with the rapture issue well.

Frankly I don't need your help regarding eschatology. I have it nailed down.
As for Angela I very well know her views. And basically disagree with all of them. She appears to be a pseudo-intellectual liberal.......and utterly, hopelessly clueless. I have yet to see her even once successfully defend her position. Including her views on women pastors.

 

[ZNP]

We have had 46 attacks on the US in the last few days. What should the US do in response?

 

[Gideon300]

I have already explained what should be done.

I was asking for practical solutions, not wishful thinking.

 

[Gideon300]

Some people deny or are unaware of what happened in 1948. The crazy thing is that there are people (Jewish and Palestinian) alive today that will tell you this happened... Unfortunately, even my home boy Ben Shapiro refuses to believe it. I sort of get why he would want to deny/refuse to believe it obviously.

I am well aware of what happened in 1948. A new nation was formed in one day, exactly as prophesied in God's word. There never were any Palestinians. The land called Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire for centuries. Arabs and Jews lived there in relative peace. After the end of the Ottoman Empire, the British were given control. We are talking about the end of WW1. After WW2, the British had enough and pulled out of the region. There was no nation so there were no citizens. Some, not all, Palestinians, left what was to become Israel prior to the declaration of the new nation. This was at the behest of the 5 enemy countries that promised to wipe Israel off the map. 20% of the population of Israel is Arab. The only Arab nations to recognise Israel are Egypt and Jordan. Egypt is not included in the end time prophecies regarding the enemies of Israel.

 

[Gideon300]

It's because I have studied history that I disagree with you.

What exactly is/are your point(s) of disagreement, based on history?

 

[Gideon300]

So you said no one offered a solution without reading my solution?

The peace offering would be a new city. Everyone displaced from their home would be offered to live in the city, the home given to them paid for by the Jews. Back in 1948 this city could have been built in Gaza. The only requirement for the Palestinians to get the home would be to sign a peace treaty with Israel agreeing to their right to exist in Israel and rejecting all this hateful rhetoric about wiping them out. Since 1948 5 million Palestinians left Israel, only 2 million remain, but for most of them there is resentment because their homes were robbed from them. If you had 5 million living in a thriving first world city in Gaza working hand in hand with Israel it would expose the remaining Palestinians who want to be terrorist as murderous and hateful. There would be no ground to be accusing Israel today of genocide or ethnic cleansing. You would have contrast, those that were at peace with Israel being blessed and those dedicated to murder being cursed.

How much would this one city cost? Pennies on the dollar compared to the money Israel has spent fighting terrorism, both with weapons and in the publics perception.

Abraham was not only blessed so that he would be blessed, he was blessed so that he would be a blessing to the nations and that includes the Palestinians.

I was seeking practical solutions, as I said elsewhere. Gaza was occupied by Israel until 2007. The economy was comparatively good and Israel had started a thriving business that helped Gazans a lot. Israel left Gaza to self rule, removed Israeli settlements and destroyed them so settlers could not return. Gazans had a tremendous opportunity to live in peace and prosperity. What did they do with that opportunity? They had elections and chose Hamas, the warmongers, instead of Fatah, who live in relative peace with Israel. Hamas made sure that Fatah could not contest elections by murdering every Fatah member.

And of course, there have been no elections since. Palestinians have no intention of living in peace with Israel, under any circumstances. Will that change in future? Perhaps. History suggests not . But for now, Hamas is still firing rockets at Israel, still attacking IDF forces and still holding hostages. Hamas has shown no remorse for the brutal and unprovoked attacks on Israel and Palestinians have shown little or no concern for the suffering of Israelis.

No military has warns cilvilans of impending attacks. Except the IDF.

You should read your Bible more carefully. Arabs are descended from Ishmael. God foretold that there would be conflict between the descendants of Ishmael and the descendants of Abraham. And so it has been, on and off, through history.

 

[Moses_Young]

I appreciate your answer. So I'll be more specific this time. Because Hamas uses human shields and because they will never stop killing Jews, there is no situation where no one dies. So the only question is will there be more or less loss of life. Given this reality, is it more moral to allow 10,000 deaths or 100,000?

If your logic states that fewer people killed is always better no matter what, would you see it as morally sound for all 8 billion non-Jews around the world to kill the 16.1 million Jews on earth IF it meant saving more than 16.1 million lives would be preserved long term (future generations)?

Just curious, when we play with numbers to make a moral case, is consideration taken for the future generations and those future generations etc... that the original 10,000 people would have had? If so, that variable really complicates things as Gaza has an incredibly high birth rate in comparison to Israel.

I was going to say something, but you put it better with this. Morality is not a numbers game.

 

[Moses_Young]

No, this is not the position with Israel. smh The reason we can't get anywhere in this discussion is either people are believing the lies they telling themselves, or they're just lying. I can't figure which with some people. But your comment is a lie. What Israel is doing is self defense.

Self defence would have been listening to the warnings from intelligence agencies in others countries (and likely Israel's own intelligence agency), not standing the Israeli Defence Force down for 7 hours (or however long it was) while the terrorists attacked, and eliminating the terrorists as they attacked. What is happening now is war crimes, plain and simple.

 

[Moses_Young]

Yes, by all means lets follow what Albert Pike, a Confederate and freemason, had to say and not the Bible. lol

If you were following the bible, you would be using righteous judgement, and not holding the state of Israel to be some sort of god equivalent that can do no wrong.

Albert Pike simply revealed the evil scheme he was part of, and you appear to be falling for it, just as he indicated Christians (and indeed the world) would.

 

[HeIsHere]

Again, plenty of blame on all sides. Understanding whose worse than who doesn't fix anything. Either you want the killing to end or you don't. Given the reality of the situation, innocent people are going to die either way. Since more will die if things go back to business as usual, I'm in favor of trying something else that will actually end the killing.
I hear a lot of people grumbling and complaining. I hear few solutions.

So we are the UN now, you think you have a solution?

 

[HeIsHere]

I understand there is plenty of blame to go around. That's for others to sort out. I'm only concerned to put an end to the needless and wanton death. This will never happen while Hamas or any other group bent on Israel's destruction is allowed in the area. Anything short of this guarantees more of the same.

You do not want to assign blame but you naively think it is only Hamas who is bent on the other's destruction, it is a completely false lens that actually inhibits and prevents peace.

And it also assigns the blame you do not want to assign.

You know the USA did negotiate with the Taliban.

 

[ZNP]

I was asking for practical solutions, not wishful thinking.

Jesus Christ's kingdom is not wishful thinking. Nor is seeking a kingdom in which righteousness dwells wishful thinking.

However, what is wishful thinking is thinking a kingdom that is not built on righteousness would stand or that we could have peace without Jesus.

 

[ZNP]

I was seeking practical solutions, as I said elsewhere. Gaza was occupied by Israel until 2007. The economy was comparatively good and Israel had started a thriving business that helped Gazans a lot. Israel left Gaza to self rule, removed Israeli settlements and destroyed them so settlers could not return. Gazans had a tremendous opportunity to live in peace and prosperity. What did they do with that opportunity? They had elections and chose Hamas, the warmongers, instead of Fatah, who live in relative peace with Israel. Hamas made sure that Fatah could not contest elections by murdering every Fatah member.

And of course, there have been no elections since. Palestinians have no intention of living in peace with Israel, under any circumstances. Will that change in future? Perhaps. History suggests not . But for now, Hamas is still firing rockets at Israel, still attacking IDF forces and still holding hostages. Hamas has shown no remorse for the brutal and unprovoked attacks on Israel and Palestinians have shown little or no concern for the suffering of Israelis.

No military has warns cilvilans of impending attacks. Except the IDF.

You should read your Bible more carefully. Arabs are descended from Ishmael. God foretold that there would be conflict between the descendants of Ishmael and the descendants of Abraham. And so it has been, on and off, through history.

It is far too broad a brush to say that "Palestinians have no intention of living in peace with Israel". 5/7th of the Palestinians left. Israel thought that was a solution, just drive people off the land, out of sight, out of mind. But that was not righteous, and as a result it sowed the seeds which have grown into this hate and animosity we see today.

Instead if all those who were willing to live in peace with Israel were brought into a brand new city, a city that was able to grow and thrive with Israel, then today there would be a contrast between those who curse Israel and those who bless Israel. Today no one could argue ethnic cleansing because Israel didn't drive 5 million away, all could see them and all could see them being blessed by living in peace with Israel.

I agree that there were warmongers and terrorists from 1948. But the vast majority were willing to live in peace and had lived in peace with Israel. Those were the ones who were driven away and had their houses robbed and so treating them that way was used in the sales pitch of the terrorists.

 

[HeIsHere]

By all means look them up. And I would also look into the "sheep and goats judgement".

Simply stated: during the "end times" (actually it is the beginning of the DOTL) 70th week of Daniel, the nations that help Israel are the "sheep", whereas the nations that hate Israel are the "goats".

Hating Israel is no trivial matter. It can land you in the lake of fire for eternity. Because the real sentiment underlying hating Israel is actually the hate of the God that loves Israel.

Oh and by the way..........serious believing legit Christians have all those passages I quoted committed to memory.

Modern day Israel is not the Israel of scripture.

Seems to me according to scripture it is those who deny Christ Jesus and His work who are the ones who should worry.

For Christians to support the construction of the third temple is directly against what Jesus taught.

Jesus himself is the new Temple and the prologue of John's gospel states "the word became flesh and dwelt among us."

Jesus replaces the temple according to the New Testament.

There is one covenant right now anything else is blasphemy against Jesus.

 

[HeIsHere]

I was going to say something, but you put it better with this. Morality is not a numbers game.

Amen.

 

[HeIsHere]

Frankly I don't need your help regarding eschatology. I have it nailed down.
As for Angela I very well know her views. And basically disagree with all of them. She appears to be a pseudo-intellectual liberal.......and utterly, hopelessly clueless. I have yet to see her even once successfully defend her position. Including her views on women pastors.

Of course, only your views are truth. lol

 

[ZNP]

Psalm 83 war expands to Iran --> Moving to the Ezekiel 38 war

Iran Panic!! Israel WIPED OUT 5 Pro-Iranian Bases in a Surprising Airstrike | Israel At War - Day 34

The reason some think we cannot get into the Ezekiel 38 war is because of the "land of unwalled cities without bars or gates". I believe that refers to the USA where half of the world's Jews live.

 

[HeIsHere]

Fake eschatology? Really.......
Isaiah 14:1-3 is fake eschatology?
How about Ezekiel 16:60-63?
Isaiah 11:11-16?
Isaiah 60:1-22?

Those are but a few passages from recent posts. I could back up the truck and add 100 (actually hundreds) more very very easily.

So let me ask you:
Do you truly believe that these passages are authentically and genuinely written by the Spirit of God with His unwavering intent to fulfill them?

Yes or No.

The fake eschatology is misapplying verses (which are God's truth) to millennia in the future, those poor Israelites to whom God was speaking could not trust God to make it happen for them.