Israel Declares War
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I have, you thought it puts Israeli lives in danger (and it does). Nevertheless, Israel is currently working on a strategy for boots on the ground.
You say "we all agree we want as few as possible [civilian casualties]" but then we all logically know more Palestinian civilians are dying than Hamas terrorists from the airstrikes. That's like a morbidly obese person saying, "I want to lose weight..." as they are eating a buffet of twinkies dipped in maple syrup.
I didn't call for "no action", though, one could make the case that "no action" is better than obliterating thousands of innocent civilians.
I'm not sure how many times I need to tell you. Maybe you just keep asking because you accidentally missed my numerous posts in the past or my earlier post saying boots on the ground is a more discriminate way of targeting Hamas terrorists than indiscriminately bombing them. You've mentioned the risk of the IDF lives, and I conceded it is more dangerous to isolate their targets than just pushing a button and obliterating an entire housing complex.
I think a better analogy would be a morbidly obese person saying "I want to lose weight and eat better..." as they eat a tub of cherry vanilla ice cream with actual real fruit inside of it. Sure, they are eating fruit (targeting Hamas terrorists as they indiscriminately bomb), but you're still eating junk (a tub of ice cream).
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Revisionist Zionists. Ya gotta remember that. There are many Rabbis who say that it is sinful to seek an Isaeli state until the Messiah is identified.
The mkdern idea of zionism or revisionist zionism comes from a book written by Theodore Hertzle. (I may have just butchered the spelling ofnhis name) any way the book is called ,"The Jewish State". He is called the visionary of zion.
Also on an interesting note there were many options on the table in the late 1800s and early 1900s from Canada to Madagascar. Germans actually began deporting them to where the state of israel is now until British blockades prevented it. Just a little history note.
Yes during the ottoman empire Judahists and palestinians, and Christians alike lived right there in that region. It was the league of nations and England that fouled it up. They believed that Judaist nationalism was the answer the the issue of them being in europe. Europeans of all regards kind of saw them as a bit of a nuisance for various reasons. Bolshevikism being one of the various reasons. There was a lot of tension between the jacobites and europeans since the Napoleonic Wars, and as always there are two side to every story so we wont necessarily be blaming one side or the other.
So you would recommend to the leaders of Israel that they go into Gaza with boots on the ground without bombing it first? It would be a killing field, booby trapped with people in high rises shooting down on them, as well as artillery shells while they move freely about in their tunnels. You obviously are not an Army general. No one would do that. You would trade 1,000 innocent civilian lives who refused to evacuate for 10,000 soldiers lives.
Thanks for explaining in detail why it doesn't work.
Would you prefer an analogy of curling two 10 lbs dumbbells of summer sausage while taking a bite out of one with each rep? Take your pick. Either way, it works because it's not a viable option if you genuinely want to lose weight (limit civilian casualties).
no, it isn't like that because you analogy does not take into account the horrific and demonic attack that killed 1,000+
Why put a deadline of how long to educate ourselves/each other of the history as well as what is currently happening and fruitfully discuss a resolution? The only timeline I can give is rather vague... "Not one second longer than is needed to come to an understanding, take ownership of events, and a resolution."
Guilty as charged. I remember claiming I wasn't an expert in war and I don't know the best strategies outside of boots on the ground for this nuanced situation in Gaza. It is densely populated and the terrorists are right next to the Palestinians civilians.
Rather than coming up with pointless strategies as if we are generals (you're free to day dream on your own if it entertains you), could we come to an understanding that we shouldn't indiscriminately blow up a bunch of civilians to make it more safe for the IDF to go in with boots on the ground?