Israel Declares War

[shittim]

Any of the surrounding Muslim lands or even Saudi Arabia.

their beloved brothers and sisters of the satanic cult, isn't interesting they themselves will do nothing but hate the Jews even though the Koran clearly states the land belongs to the Jews?

 

[Smoke]

Terrorists have used human shields for decades because if they don't they will be obliterated instantly.

You cannot blame Israel for fighting against people shooting missiles at them and having collateral damage while giving Hamas a pass for shooting missiles from densely populated regions. They knew this would cause collateral damage.

Both Israel and Palestine chose this path of terrorism and they are reaping what they have sowed.

Israel realized they were getting much more immigration than the Palestinians and so they used every incident of terrorism to seize more land and expand. They also blow up the homes of terrorists and give them to Israel. It was a slow, squeeze Palestinians out, the way a python would kill you.

I don't mean to speak on anyone's behalf, but I am unaware ANYONE gives Hamas a free pass. I think that is one of the few things we ALL agree on with this conflict is that Hamas is ruthless. The squeaky wheel is that people give Israel the free pass or refuse to admit they are doing something very similar to Hamas...

If I am wrong, can you please tell me the names/posts of people "giving Hamas" a pass? I want to rebuke that message to them.

 

[Smoke]

If the US did this to the Native Americans can we consider ourselves as terrorists?

If New Zealand did this to the native population can they consider themselves as terrorists?

If Australia did this to the aborigines can they consider themselves as terrorists?

If Britain did this in India can they consider themselves as terrorists?

If every empire did this can they consider themselves as terrorists?

If other people are as guilty as I am does that mean I am no longer guilty?

Of course... all were terrorists at one time. It doesn't make me less grateful in being an American. We have to call people who perpetually commit crimes against humanity exactly what they are... terrorists! Why should we change the standard? Because we are American, therefore, are incapable of committing said acts? That's not how morality works... For this reason, I also have no problem calling Hamas, Hezbollah, etc... terrorist groups.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

It a very stranhe thing, Jesus quoted in scripture speak directly to a specific group of people and says, "this generation" and 2000 years later a group of readers of the quote ratjer than learn from it, think Jesus is speaking directly to them.
I guess when Jesus told Peter to go fishing to get the temple tax money we should take that as Jesus speaking to us. When it comes tax time to go fishing.

Matt 24
32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

This generation speaks of the generation which sees "all these things" take place

No generation has seen them take place yet. It appears that some of the birth pangs have started.. if this be the case.. That generation may be today. But I think we are not yet there.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Literally, the people to whom He was speaking.

Yeah

the people who SEE THOSE THINGS Take place

Non of the people in Jesus day saw those things

Context man Context!!
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[Cameron143]

Of course... all were terrorists at one time. It doesn't make me less grateful in being an American. We have to call people who perpetually commit crimes against humanity exactly what they are... terrorists! Why should we change the standard? Because we are American, therefore, are incapable of committing said acts? That's not how morality works... For this reason, I also have no problem calling Hamas, Hezbollah, etc... terrorist groups.

Too bad the US government doesn't.

 

[Smoke]

They did not need to be impoverished and they did not need to remain crowded in Gaza. What have the other Muslim and Arab countries done for them? Absolutely nothing. As I suggested earlier Saudi Arabia could have set aside a vast chunk of land for a new homeland for the Palestinians. They have more than enough wealth and land to do so. And they could have demanded that all the other Arab and Muslim countries pitch in. Had this been done after the Six Day War, they would have been happy and prosperous and productive. Of course the Arabs would have had to deal severely with the evil Palestinian leaders who are the real reason for all the issues and terrorism.

Isn't Hamas a proxy of Iran though? And there is still a cold war between Iran and Saudi Arabia. I don't think you'll convince Saudi Arabia do that... I think most Americans think "Oh, this country is Muslim and that country is Muslim, they are bros!" What makes things even more complicated is that Hamas being the proxy of Iran is actually Sunni and Iran is Shi.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Refresh my memory... Did Israel give the warning prior to the 72 hours of retaliatory bombing the densely populated city with civilians that could not escape due to the blockade?

You're 100% correct though, Israel did tell Palestinians to leave which is more than Hamas has ever done. Some would argue it's like telling a legless man to stand up and do jumping jacks though... How do they do that?

actually they gave almost a week warning..

 

[Smoke]

actually they gave almost a week warning..

Really?! Your understanding is that Israel gave a 1 week warning BEFORE dropping a single bomb immediately after Hamas murdered civilians at the music festival? Israel didn't start dropping bombs for 72 hours prior to advising the Palestinians to leave? Was the video I showed of the Palestinians who took the advise of Israel and started walking away from their homes staging a scene with blown up civilian homes?

Do you mind my asking where you get your news from?

 

[ZNP]

I don't mean to speak on anyone's behalf, but I am unaware ANYONE gives Hamas a free pass. I think that is one of the few things we ALL agree on with this conflict is that Hamas is ruthless. The squeaky wheel is that people give Israel the free pass or refuse to admit they are doing something very similar to Hamas...

If I am wrong, can you please tell me the names/posts of people "giving Hamas" a pass? I want to rebuke that message to them.

Students at Harvard, videos my son is listening to, the millions who have besieged embassies thinking that Israel bombed the hospital when the evidence clearly contradicts that.

 

[ZNP]

Of course... all were terrorists at one time. It doesn't make me less grateful in being an American. We have to call people who perpetually commit crimes against humanity exactly what they are... terrorists! Why should we change the standard? Because we are American, therefore, are incapable of committing said acts? That's not how morality works... For this reason, I also have no problem calling Hamas, Hezbollah, etc... terrorist groups.

We pass judgement on sin, not the sinners. That is up to the Lord alone.

 

[Smoke]

Students at Harvard, videos my son is listening to, the millions who have besieged embassies thinking that Israel bombed the hospital when the evidence clearly contradicts that.

Sorry, I took "you" literally and thought you were talking directly to the person you were commenting as if she was giving Hamas a pass.

Sorry about your son though. Does he think Hamas are "Freedom Fighters"?

 

[Smoke]

We pass judgement on sin, not the sinners. That is up to the Lord alone.

If God says murder is a sin, it's not judgment from a person who tells the murderer they are in fact a murderer or even they are guilty of sin.

You need to shake the progressive liberalism ideology off that if you say something is a sin/immoral, you are a bigot or you are judging someone. As Christians, our morals are derived from Heavenly Father and are given to us through the inspired word of God. We can call out sin to a sinner, but that isn't a judgment. God has told us the consequence(s) of sin and we aren't to pretend that sin isn't wrong so we can make the sinner more comfortable.

 

[ZNP]

Matt 24
32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

This generation speaks of the generation which sees "all these things" take place

No generation has seen them take place yet. It appears that some of the birth pangs have started.. if this be the case.. That generation may be today. But I think we are not yet there.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Obviously "all these things" would not refer to Jesus appearing in glory as that would be when all these things are fulfilled. it is generally felt that a generation is 70-80 years, that is certainly true today and it is certainly Biblical from Moses.

Jesus says "this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled". One can assume that the generation could be as old as 80 when Jesus appears in glory. We know that this happens 7 years after the 70th week begins, so this generation could be 73 at that time, almost 74.

All these things includes Jews returning to Israel. So you might have seen that but you weren't in that generation, perhaps you were 40 in 1948 and you died in 1988. But if you were born in 1948 or later you are part of this generation and you will see all these various things take place, and if you are Jewish and living in Jerusalem and part of that generation you would also see Jesus coming in glory before you turn 81.

 

[ZNP]

Sorry, I took "you" literally and thought you were talking directly to the person you were commenting as if she was giving Hamas a pass.

Sorry about your son though. Does he think Hamas are "Freedom Fighters"?

We are having discussions, he definitely is convinced all these war crimes are from Israel, I don't know that he gives Hamas 100% of a pass, but his focus is on Israel's crimes.

 

[ZNP]

If God says murder is a sin, it's not judgment from a person who tells the murderer they are in fact a murderer or even they are guilty of sin.

You need to shake the progressive liberalism ideology off that if you say something is a sin/immoral, you are a bigot or you are judging someone. As Christians, our morals are derived from Heavenly Father and are given to us through the inspired word of God. We can call out sin to a sinner, but that isn't a judgment. God has told us the consequence(s) of sin and we aren't to pretend that sin isn't wrong so we can make the sinner more comfortable.

Yesterday they said Israel murdered 500 people at the hospital. Today we learn that the bomb hit the parking lot, not the hospital, probably it wasn't 500 people, and that the missile may very well be have been shot by Hamas. The people who repeated this news are not repenting, they in turn blame the news source they got it from, and so no one takes responsibility. But it had serious consequences as millions went into the streets, protesting, rioting, and besieging embassies.

Yes, murder is sin, and you if you can prove 100% beyond all reasonable doubt that the person committed murder then you can judge that they are a murderer. Very few actually do that and rush to judgement. But even if you did all that, do you know the person's heart? Have they turned to the Lord? Have they repented and taken the Lord's blood? Maybe they haven't, but will they before it is too late?

Finally, what good does it do you to judge someone is a murderer? If that is your job, you are the judge or the jury and you do sit through the trial, then fine, you are fulfilling your obligation according to the Noah covenant. But let's say it isn't your job. You run the risk of calling someone a murderer and yet that might not be true in which case you are guilty of slander. Why take that chance. Also, you may be guilty of hate. Christians need to be full of both faith and love. To have faith without love would be what extremists, legalists, and hateful religious people express. I would rather wait until someone is convicted and then simply respond to the judgement others have made.

I call out sin every single day on this forum. There is a difference. I know that the vaccine killed people and should never have been mandated, and probably should have been pulled from the market within six months. But I do not know who is and who is not guilty of murder or to what extent. I don't know who was a liar and who was a useful idiot. Only God knows these things.

 

[shittim]

Of course... all were terrorists at one time. It doesn't make me less grateful in being an American. We have to call people who perpetually commit crimes against humanity exactly what they are... terrorists! Why should we change the standard? Because we are American, therefore, are incapable of committing said acts? That's not how morality works... For this reason, I also have no problem calling Hamas, Hezbollah, etc... terrorist groups.

Another distraction from current unfolding of fulfillment? We're running out of time to be Jesus to the world, whatever is His plan for each of us.
bless you friends

 

[Smoke]

Yesterday they said Israel murdered 500 people at the hospital. Today we learn that the bomb hit the parking lot, not the hospital, probably it wasn't 500 people, and that the missile may very well be have been shot by Hamas. The people who repeated this news are not repenting, they in turn blame the news source they got it from, and so no one takes responsibility. But it had serious consequences as millions went into the streets, protesting, rioting, and besieging embassies.

Yes, murder is sin, and you if you can prove 100% beyond all reasonable doubt that the person committed murder then you can judge that they are a murderer. Very few actually do that and rush to judgement. But even if you did all that, do you know the person's heart? Have they turned to the Lord? Have they repented and taken the Lord's blood? Maybe they haven't, but will they before it is too late?

Finally, what good does it do you to judge someone is a murderer? If that is your job, you are the judge or the jury and you do sit through the trial, then fine, you are fulfilling your obligation according to the Noah covenant. But let's say it isn't your job. You run the risk of calling someone a murderer and yet that might not be true in which case you are guilty of slander. Why take that chance. Also, you may be guilty of hate. Christians need to be full of both faith and love. To have faith without love would be what extremists, legalists, and hateful religious people express. I would rather wait until someone is convicted and then simply respond to the judgement others have made.

I call out sin every single day on this forum. There is a difference. I know that the vaccine killed people and should never have been mandated, and probably should have been pulled from the market within six months. But I do not know who is and who is not guilty of murder or to what extent. I don't know who was a liar and who was a useful idiot. Only God knows these things.

Some things can be reasonably contested. Some things can't be contested, yet, one group will still try. That is why being objective is important.

Hamas denies killing innocent civilians on Oct 7th. There is more than enough proof to debunk that claim. It cannot be reasonably contested.

The US dropped indiscriminate nuclear bombs, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese civilians. This cannot reasonably be contested. The part people try to contest is the "necessity" to use the bombs not the actual fact Japanese civilians were obliterated. Everyone agrees that many of them were obliterated.

Even in a court of law, the term "beyond a reasonable doubt" is used. Rightfully so.

 

[Smoke]

We are having discussions, he definitely is convinced all these war crimes are from Israel, I don't know that he gives Hamas 100% of a pass, but his focus is on Israel's crimes.

Ask him directly. If he answers and says Hamas was "defending themselves" on Oct 7th, then I fear he is extremely lost. It's the same logic people use when they defend Israel bombing Gaza (before advising the Palestinians to leave) knowing almost all of the casualties will be civilians. Killing babies does not equal "self-defense", regardless of which side you support.

If he rebukes Hamas for those actions, maybe you can talk to him and help open up his eyes.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Really?! Your understanding is that Israel gave a 1 week warning BEFORE dropping a single bomb immediately after Hamas murdered civilians at the music festival? Israel didn't start dropping bombs for 72 hours prior to advising the Palestinians to leave? Was the video I showed of the Palestinians who took the advise of Israel and started walking away from their homes staging a scene with blown up civilian homes?

Do you mind my asking where you get your news from?

how long after the attack did Israel start bombing?
Does any other country give ANY NOTICE BEFORE DROPPING BOMBS, INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES?

Did Hamas give warning before sending how many rockets into Israel and hitting civilian targets?
Hamas (Gaza) declared war on Israel. Legally Israel does not have to give any warning, period..