Israel Declares War

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Cameron143 said:
Because you have no solution. I'm not trying to upset you. But you are too emotionally invested to view the situation objectively.
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I am not emotionally invested, I am trained to look for facts that is my background.

Unfortunately, too many have fallen for the propaganda of Israel with a very surface level understanding.

The only solution is a one state solution, but Israel will never go for it, so Israel is in the process of ridding the inhabitants (some of which are Christians btw) one way or another.

Israel destroyed the possibility of a two state solution read the actual documents.

My last response to you.
 
Smoke said:
This is true. The Ultra Orthodox Jews point this out as well, but the secular Zionist Jews ignored them and pushed for it 50 years before Israel was founded. The Torah teaches that their Messiah must come first before they come back from exile. All of this is confusing and doesn't make any sense to displace modern-day inhabitants and steal their homes. I'm saying homes and not land because the land has been promised by God, but not at the expensive of having to steal homes. For some reason, many (not all) Christians don't seem to care. Unfortunately, we have to be worried about being cancelled by stating facts which show Israel contradicts themselves.

I'm also certain that the Torah doesn't condone apartheid on Palestinians either.
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Agree.
Many Jews and Jewish academics do not support what has happened.
They are quickly cancelled, sad really.
 
HeIsHere said:
I am not emotionally invested, I am trained to look for facts that is my background.

Unfortunately, too many have fallen for the propaganda of Israel with a very surface level understanding.

The only solution is a one state solution, but Israel will never go for it, so Israel is in the process of riding the inhabitants (some of which are Christians btw) one way or another.

Israel destroyed the possibility of a two state solution read the actual documents.

My last response to you.
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One state is not a solution. That would ensure continuous warfare. Look through history. Every time different ethnic groups are forced to share a common piece of dirt, either one groups destroys the others, or the groups separate themselves.
 
Cameron143 said:
One state is not a solution. That would ensure continuous warfare. Look through history. Every time different ethnic groups are forced to share a common piece of dirt, either one groups destroys the others, or the groups separate themselves.
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The land belongs to God, He can give it to who He wishes, we don't have any right to divide His land.
 
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ZNP said:
I have a solution and have already shared it. Fall on your knees and declare "blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth"
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I do agree that God has solutions we have yet to consider.
 
Cameron143 said:
People can have whatever view they like as far as I'm concerned. I'm trying to figure out why they
hold the view. Some are very heavily emotionally involved and I'm trying to understand why.
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Of course. Doesn't make it any less interesting... .;)
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
I think the Arabs are treated very well considering they have been offered land at least 4xs and rejected it every time.
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Apartheid isn't the gold standard for how one should treat their citizens. But then of course, lets recall what Benjamin Netanyahu said... "Israel is not a state of all its citizens... Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people - and only it." Initially, they said the lock down on the territory obtained from the 6 Day War was going to be "temporary"... 50+ years later, it's still on lock down.
 
Cameron143 said:
People can have whatever view they like as far as I'm concerned. I'm trying to figure out why they hold the view. Some are very heavily emotionally involved and I'm trying to understand why.
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I am not so inclined to trust your sincerity on this since your use of the word "bigot" and your quick dismissal.

If I am passionate it is because truth matters, and I am not in favor of needless pain and suffering because of the corrupt political elite class.

I pray each dispensationalism dies and quickly, it has been a most destructive movement.

Andrew Torba I think nails it, it will take a new generation to see that futurism is destructive.

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Smoke said:
Apartheid isn't the gold standard for how one should treat their citizens. But then of course, lets recall what Benjamin Netanyahu said... "Israel is not a state of all its citizens... Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people - and only it." Initially, they said the lock down on the territory obtained from the 6 Day War was going to be "temporary"... 50+ years later, it's still on lock down.
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Well then instead of condemning Israel shouldn't we be condemning ourselves in the US for putting native Americans into reservations?
 
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Cameron143 said:
One state is not a solution. That would ensure continuous warfare. Look through history. Every time different ethnic groups are forced to share a common piece of dirt, either one groups destroys the others, or the groups separate themselves.
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Only when one group thinks they are better than the other, the colonist mentality is the cause of continuous warfare. Yes look at history please.

Switzerland seems to be doing fine.
 
Cameron143 said:
Hamas isn't an ethnic group. It is a terrorist organization. If he said kill all Palestinians, that would be ethnic cleansing.
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I disagree, "saying" to "kill all Palestinians" isn't technically ethnic cleansing... but bombing the garbage out of a little tiny strip of land filled with the most densely civilian populated area in the entire world knowing most of the targets are going to be civilians certainly looks like ethnic cleansing to me.

Thank God Israel gave the Palestinians 24 hours to evacuate... unfortunately, it was only after the backlash they are getting for killing innocent children in their retaliatory attacks . That's more than Hamas has done for Israel, we can all agree to that.

You asked me a question a couple days ago about Hamas using civilians as targets, it's such a tough question because I'm genuinely "pro-life". All I can definitively state is that if there are 2 million civilians in a little strip of land, don't bomb the garbage out of it knowing you're going to kill children. Use a more discriminate way to kill the Hamas militants... Warn them ahead of time, send ground troops in, etc...
 
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Smoke said:
I disagree, "saying" to "kill all Palestinians" isn't technically ethnic cleansing... but bombing the garbage out of a little tiny strip of land filled with the most densely civilian populated area in the entire world knowing most of the targets are going to be civilians certainly looks like ethnic cleansing to me.

Thank God Israel gave the Palestinians 24 hours to evacuate... unfortunately, it was only after the backlash they are getting for killing innocent children in their retaliatory attacks . That's more than Hamas has done for Israel, we can all agree to that.

You asked me a question a couple days ago about Hamas using civilians as targets, it's such a tough question because I'm genuinely "pro-life". All I can definitively state is that if there are 2 million civilians in a little strip of land, don't bomb the garbage out of it knowing you're going to kill children. Use a more discriminate way to kill the Hamas militants... Warn them ahead of time, send ground troops in, etc...
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No country would send ground troops into that city with the high rises, it would be a killing field. Any country who was going to enter the city would bomb it first. Instead of Americans judging others for doing the things they did, why not judge the US for fire bombing Tokyo, and all that we did in Iraq?
 
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Cameron143 said:
Take away the titles. We simply have group A and group B. If it is group A's stated goal to annihilate group B, what solution will work?
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This is not a statement which reflects reality.
It is laden with assumptions about group B.

You do realize there was relative stability in the area prior to the Balfour Declaration?
 
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