Isaiah 49:3......one of the most pertinent Scriptures in all the Bible.

[cv5]

Isa 49:3
And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

Compare with Isaiah 48:9....

Is far as I can tell, Isaiah 48:16 is the first place in all the prophets where the entire Trinity is mentioned in one verse. Chapters 48 and 49 are dynamite. Just staggering. You would think these two chapters alone would be enough to make a believer out of anybody.

 

[DavidTree]

Isa 49:3
And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

Compare with Isaiah 48:9....

Is far as I can tell, Isaiah 48:16 is the first place in all the prophets where the entire Trinity is mentioned in one verse. Chapters 48 and 49 are dynamite. Just staggering. You would think these two chapters alone would be enough to make a believer out of anybody.

The first place where the entire Trinity = FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT is Genesis 1:1-3

In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.
And Elohim said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

the Apostle John confirms this - John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. In Him was life, and that life was the light of men

The next place where the Trinity is spoken of is Genesis 1:26
Then Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness = 3x

The Third Place Elohim details for us the Glory of the FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT is again in Genesis

Genesis Chapters 12 thru 28

 

[Dino246]

Isa 49:3
And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

Compare with Isaiah 48:9....

I don't doubt this is a revelation to you, but that revelation is not coming across. Perhaps you could further unpack what you're saying?

 

[Dino246]

The first place where the entire Trinity = FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT is Genesis 1:1-3

In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.
And Elohim said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Where do you see the Son in this passage? Overtly, not anachronistically from John 1.

The next place where the Trinity is spoken of is Genesis 1:26
Then Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness = 3x

Respectfully, that's a stretch.

Tell me something: Given that, most likely, each member of the Trinity instantly knows what the others are thinking, why would they have to speak to one another like this? Does it not make more sense that the trinitarian God is speaking to another entity (or several)?

 

[DavidTree]

Where do you see the Son in this passage? Overtly, not anachronistically from John 1.



Respectfully, that's a stretch.

Tell me something: Given that, most likely, each member of the Trinity instantly knows what the others are thinking, why would they have to speak to one another like this? Does it not make more sense that the trinitarian God is speaking to another entity (or several)?

Brother, your funny.......

 

[DavidTree]

Where do you see the Son in this passage? Overtly, not anachronistically from John 1.



Respectfully, that's a stretch.

Tell me something: Given that, most likely, each member of the Trinity instantly knows what the others are thinking, why would they have to speak to one another like this? Does it not make more sense that the trinitarian God is speaking to another entity (or several)?

Genesis 1:26 by itself is indeed a stretch but Scripture is never alone when revealing Truth for us to know and believe in for Salvation.

Genesis 1:26 "by itself" alone requires a discovery of who Elohim(plural/gods) is speaking too............

 

[Dino246]

Genesis 1:26 by itself is indeed a stretch but Scripture is never alone when revealing Truth for us to know and believe in for Salvation.

I'm sure that sounded profound to you when you wrote it. For me, it adds nothing to the conversation.

Genesis 1:26 "by itself" alone requires a discovery of who Elohim(plural/gods) is speaking too............

It's not clear whether you mean "too" (also) or "to" (towards). If the latter, then "who" should be "whom". Perhaps if you worded your sentence properly, your meaning would be clear(er).

 

[DavidTree]

I'm sure that sounded profound to you when you wrote it. For me, it adds nothing to the conversation.


It's not clear whether you mean "too" (also) or "to" (towards). If the latter, then "who" should be "whom". Perhaps if you worded your sentence properly, your meaning would be clear(er).

Depends on your perspective.....................either who or whom

What remains at the End of the Day is Who/Whom was there at the Beginning - right......or........wrong?

 

[Dino246]

Depends on your perspective.....................either who or whom

What remains at the End of the Day is Who/Whom was there at the Beginning - right......or........wrong?

It's not a matter of perspective, but of proper grammar. "Who" was there at the beginning, not "Whom".

 

[DavidTree]

It's not a matter of perspective, but of proper grammar. "Who" was there at the beginning, not "Whom".

Who was speaking to Who?e

Of Whom was Elohim speaking too?

Proper grammar is great, understanding is better.

 

[Dino246]

Who was speaking to Who?e

Of Whom was Elohim speaking too?

Proper grammar is great, understanding is better.

Proper grammar is great. Unfortunately, neither of your statements employs it. Here are a few examples with correct grammar:

Of whom is Elohim speaking?
To whom is Elohim speaking?
Who is speaking to whom?

"Too" means "also". "To" means "in the direction of".

 

[DavidTree]

Proper grammar is great. Unfortunately, neither of your statements employs it. Here are a few examples with correct grammar:

Of whom is Elohim speaking?
To whom is Elohim speaking?
Who is speaking to whom?

"Too" means "also". "To" means "in the direction of".

You can stay with grammar and i'll stay with the Spirit of Truth.

If you cannot see the Picture of whom it speaks, then grammar is not helping you.
But then who does it speak and for whom???

PEACE

 

[Live4Him3]

If people really understood what Isaiah 49:3 (and the immediate surrounding verses) actually means, then there'd be a lot less heresies within the professing Christian church.

 

[p_rehbein]

Is far as I can tell, Isaiah 48:16 is the first place in all the prophets where the entire Trinity is mentioned in one verse. Chapters 48 and 49 are dynamite. Just staggering. You would think these two chapters alone would be enough to make a believer out of anybody.

IF you are speaking of belief in the Holy Trinity, probably not. I say that only because IF there is not a Scripture that states "TRINITY," there are those who will deny its truth. The entire Gospel of John speaks of the Holy Trinity, and, still there are those who deny it.

go figure..........

 

[Dino246]

You can stay with grammar and i'll stay with the Spirit of Truth.

If you cannot see the Picture of whom it speaks, then grammar is not helping you.
But then who does it speak and for whom???

PEACE

What a silly comment. Proper grammar allows you to communicate truth clearly. The two are not exclusive.

As to your point, your mind is closed, which prevents learning.

 

[DavidTree]

What a silly comment. Proper grammar allows you to communicate truth clearly. The two are not exclusive.

i know that, thus my sentence structure for those who would find it for whom it was written too.

 

[Dino246]

i know that, thus my sentence structure for those who would find it for whom it was written too.

That doesn't even begin to make sense.

 

[DavidTree]

That doesn't even begin to make sense.

nonsense

 

[cv5]

The first place where the entire Trinity = FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT is Genesis 1:1-3

In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.
And Elohim said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

the Apostle John confirms this - John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. In Him was life, and that life was the light of men

The next place where the Trinity is spoken of is Genesis 1:26
Then Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness = 3x

The Third Place Elohim details for us the Glory of the FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT is again in Genesis

Genesis Chapters 12 thru 28

I said "the first place in all the prophets where the entire Trinity is mentioned"....

 

[DavidTree]

I said "the first place in all the prophets where the entire Trinity is mentioned"....

Is not God His own Prophet for us.

Moses was a Prophet and the Holy Spirit directed him to record for us Genesis.

Genesis is the Foundation of all Truth that followed.

Now the the next Prophet that comes to my mind is Samuel.