Is The Earth Flat Or Round?
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In that case, I suppose there is no reason for anyone to speculate on your interpretation of the Opera House pictures...
Since nothing whatsoever can possibly be deduced from it.
right? 
In the Ball Earth model - if the sun "literally stood still" - the rotation of the earth would have to come to a sudden screeching halt...
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The Earth is pretty much flat where I live. Three miles east of here the Earth
is bumpy. Fifty miles east and it's really bumpy. Mount Hood is like 11,250
feet above sea level.
One of my favorite geological wonders is Arches National Park in Utah USA,
and another is Canyon Lands National Park, also in Utah. Some very smart
people have yet to figure out how nature formed the amazing features in
those areas; but I'm guessing that God, the most skillful painter/sculptor
that there is, did it because He wanted to leave His mark on the Earth by
creating something spectacular.
"He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved. You
covered it with the deep as with a garment; the waters stood above the
mountains. At your rebuke they fled; at the sound of your thunder they took
to flight. The mountains rose, the valleys sank down to the place that you
appointed for them. You set a boundary that they may not pass, so that the
waters might not again cover the earth." (Ps 104:5-9)
That passage is stunning; and clearly way ahead of its time. Mountains
rising, and valleys sinking speaks of magma pressure and tectonic plate
subduction-- on-going titanic forces that keep the Earth's surface in a
perpetual state of alteration.
Now, it's right about here that young-earth theorists have a problem
because it's obvious from physical evidence that much of the Earth's higher
elevations were inundated for a very long time before they were pushed up
to where they are now.
Take for example Mount Everest. Today its tippy top is something like
29,029 feet above sea level. The discovery of fossilized sea lilies near its
summit proves that the Himalayan land mass has not always been
mountainous; but at one time was the floor of an ancient sea bed. This is
confirmed by the "yellow band" below Everest's summit consisting of
limestone: a type of rock made from calcite sediments containing the
skeletal remains of countless trillions of organisms who lived, not on dry
land, rather, underwater in an ocean.
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The Earth is pretty much flat where I live. Three miles east of here the Earth
is bumpy. Fifty miles east and it's really bumpy. Mount Hood is like 11,250
feet above sea level.
One of my favorite geological wonders is Arches National Park in Utah USA,
and another is Canyon Lands National Park, also in Utah. Some very smart
people have yet to figure out how nature formed the amazing features in
those areas; but I'm guessing that God, the most skillful painter/sculptor
that there is, did it because He wanted to leave His mark on the Earth by
creating something spectacular.
"He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved. You
covered it with the deep as with a garment; the waters stood above the
mountains. At your rebuke they fled; at the sound of your thunder they took
to flight. The mountains rose, the valleys sank down to the place that you
appointed for them. You set a boundary that they may not pass, so that the
waters might not again cover the earth." (Ps 104:5-9)
That passage is stunning; and clearly way ahead of its time. Mountains
rising, and valleys sinking speaks of magma pressure and tectonic plate
subduction-- on-going titanic forces that keep the Earth's surface in a
perpetual state of alteration.
Now, it's right about here that young-earth theorists have a problem
because it's obvious from physical evidence that much of the Earth's higher
elevations were inundated for a very long time before they were pushed up
to where they are now.
Take for example Mount Everest. Today its tippy top is something like
29,029 feet above sea level. The discovery of fossilized sea lilies near its
summit proves that the Himalayan land mass has not always been
mountainous; but at one time was the floor of an ancient sea bed. This is
confirmed by the "yellow band" below Everest's summit consisting of
limestone: a type of rock made from calcite sediments containing the
skeletal remains of countless trillions of organisms who lived, not on dry
land, rather, underwater in an ocean.
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The sun's position relative to the OH is not an "interpretation".In that case, I suppose there is no reason for anyone to speculate on your interpretation of the Opera House pictures...
And? Is God not able?
How, in your view, is this a problem for "young-earth theorists"? I don't see any problem at all. Remember that whole 'global flood' thing back in Genesis? Well, that is a more-than-adequate explanation.
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well here you go old hound dog that has lost its ability to find a trail but can still howl and make noise
I wonder if you forget what you wrote after the fact. the way you write reminds me of Biden making comments and then people have to go back and 'fix' them
I provided the following verse that clearly states God does care and very much, about our thoughts
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
Jeremiah 11 post 1339
you obviously have a very skewed view of God and let's not forget you also said in another thread that everyone hates God
you ignored that scripture because it does not fit in with your paradigm
Show me something understandable & I will understand it.
How in the "FE framework" does the day/night, seasonal & annual cycle that God established on the 4th creation day work?
What mechanisms on a flat, stationary world provide the separation of night/day that we experience?
Where is the observational research work, science & verified evidence that explains the continuous cycle & separation of
night & day on a stationary disc? Who are the scientists in that field of study & at which universities did they qualify ?
Where might we find their peer-reviewed academic papers? What history does this field of study have?
We need a new physics that explains how the moon & man-made satellites are in orbit around a flat, stationary disc without
poles & gravity.
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The Flood lasted scarcely a year from start to finish-- too brief on the
geological clock to be of any consequence in forming significant deposits
of limestone.
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The Flood lasted scarcely a year from start to finish-- too brief on the
geological clock to be of any consequence in forming significant deposits
of limestone.
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That would be based on a geological clock of an excessively long time period.
Which means you've already assumed an old age for the earth before examining limestone deposits.
Maybe he has never had a trans-Atlantic or trans-Pacific flight? Oh well.....
Bro.....you need to get around a little. I mean in terms of amassing data on the subject.
I have read vast content and info on geology. What they commonly propose today as irrefutable fact is actually utterly absurd.
Huge massive limestone deposits can be precipitated from a scalding hot ocean.......ridiculously quickly. Moreso if this ocean contains the pulverized remains of huuuuuge quantities of tiny oceanic creatures and other stuff.
In fact, this is the ONLY plausible mechanism for limestone deposits. Fast and furious.
Mountain ranges can be VERY plausibly created NEAR INSTANTANEOUSLY via several different types of catastrophic events.
I could post links ad nauseum. But here is a solid YouTube channel for starters....
https://www.youtube.com/c/IsGenesisHistory
Andrew Hall could be on to something....not that I necessarily agree with all he proposes.....
(2) arc blasted earth andrew hall - YouTube
(2) thunderbolts andrew hall - YouTube
Only if you hold to the unscientific and anti-theistic idea that 'the present is the key to the past'.
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• Gen 1:5b . . And there was evening and there was morning, a first Day.
* There are two primary kinds of Days in the first chapter of Genesis. One is
a creation day and the other is a natural day. It's very important to keep
those two kinds of days distinct and separate in our thinking because they
are as unalike in size as stones and gravel.
According to Gen 1:24-31, God created humans and all terra critters on the
sixth Day; which has to include dinosaurs because on no other Day did God
create beasts but the sixth.
However; the sciences of geology and paleontology, in combination with
radiometric dating, strongly suggest that dinosaurs preceded humans by
several million years. So then, in my estimation, the Days of creation should
be taken to represent eras rather than 24-hour events. That's not an
unreasonable estimation; for example:
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were
created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven." (Gen 2:4)
The Hebrew word for "day" in that verse is yowm (yome) which is the very
same word for each of the six Days of God's creation labors. Since yowm in
Gen 2:4 refers to a period of time obviously much longer than a 24-hour
natural day; it justifies suggesting that each of the six Days of creation
were longer than 24 hours apiece too. In other words: yowm is ambiguous
and not all that easy to interpret sometimes.
Anyway; this "day" thing has been a stone in the shoe for just about
everybody who takes Genesis seriously. It's typically assumed that the Days
of creation consisted of twenty-four hours apiece; so Bible students end up
stumped when trying to figure out how to cope with the 4.5 billion-year age
of the earth, and factor in the various eras, e.g. Triassic, Jurassic, Mesozoic,
Cenozoic, Cretaceous, etc, plus the ice ages and the mass extinction events.
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• Gen 1:5b . . And there was evening and there was morning, a first Day.
* There are two primary kinds of Days in the first chapter of Genesis. One is
a creation day and the other is a natural day. It's very important to keep
those two kinds of days distinct and separate in our thinking because they
are as unalike in size as stones and gravel.
According to Gen 1:24-31, God created humans and all terra critters on the
sixth Day; which has to include dinosaurs because on no other Day did God
create beasts but the sixth.
However; the sciences of geology and paleontology, in combination with
radiometric dating, strongly suggest that dinosaurs preceded humans by
several million years. So then, in my estimation, the Days of creation should
be taken to represent eras rather than 24-hour events. That's not an
unreasonable estimation; for example:
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were
created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven." (Gen 2:4)
The Hebrew word for "day" in that verse is yowm (yome) which is the very
same word for each of the six Days of God's creation labors. Since yowm in
Gen 2:4 refers to a period of time obviously much longer than a 24-hour
natural day; it justifies suggesting that each of the six Days of creation
were longer than 24 hours apiece too. In other words: yowm is ambiguous
and not all that easy to interpret sometimes.
Anyway; this "day" thing has been a stone in the shoe for just about
everybody who takes Genesis seriously. It's typically assumed that the Days
of creation consisted of twenty-four hours apiece; so Bible students end up
stumped when trying to figure out how to cope with the 4.5 billion-year age
of the earth, and factor in the various eras, e.g. Triassic, Jurassic, Mesozoic,
Cenozoic, Cretaceous, etc, plus the ice ages and the mass extinction events.
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Yea.....they are real alright sis. I really cannot fathom the ongoing debate on the matter....Bigfoot territory bro....
Greenwave2010fb - YouTube
ThinkerThunker - YouTube
10 ft tall, 1500 lbs gigantic male here. Extremely rare footage of the "hopping gait" so noted by many eyewitnesses.
Russian Hopping Bigfoot - Dropping Down On All Fours (ThinkerThunker) - YouTube
Hardly.
First of all, the Bible does NOT state that creation is 6000 y/o. My estimation is probably closer to 20-30K....maybe even longer.
http://genevaninstitute.org/syllabu...rimeval-chronology-by-dr-william-henry-green/
Secondly, this world has been formed and reformed by massive CATASTROPHISM. No doubt about it. Catastrophism is the rule, not the exception. The flood, the Babel disaster, the Peleg disaster, the ongoing disasters so noted in Job......
All of geology/ice ages etc and extinctions/fossils can be VERY easily shoehorned into 20-30K years. No problema....
BTW....I do not agree with everything Barry has to say or concludes. But very much of it is extremely useful.
Earth Catastrophes In the Time of Job - Genesis Science Research - Barry Setterfield - YouTube
GSR Updates - YouTube
I don't need to cope with billions of years because I don't assume them in the first place.