Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

[DavidTree]

and, here we go- can't be a Christian if you believe in a round earth.

sad.

Please do not add to my words as i never said that - thank you

PS - i made it 100% clear that no one is saved by believing correctly on the shape of the earth but only by the Blood of Christ shed for us on the Cross.

*** When i refer to 'globalists' it only pertains to the unsaved who "suppress the truth in unrighteousness" = Romans 1:18

Peace

 

[GaryA]

The Bible does not say the Earth is flat

The Bible does not say "the Earth is flat" - no; however, it does indicate that it is by the way it describes the earth.

It most definitely does not describe it as "a spinning ball flying through space"...

The Bible nowhere says the earth is flat. Despite this fact, some FE'ers claim it does.

The key word here is 'indicate'. Or, perhaps, 'illustrate', 'show', etc.

 

[Gideon300]

Are you aware that radar beams travel in straight lines (i.e. not around curves)? Do you know how far those radar beams travel? If not, your argument is little more than sincere belief.

*Sigh* Yes, it is eminently possible to calculate how far the beams travel. It depends basically on the frequency and the power of the radar system. My specialty was Electronic Warfare. Radar depends on sending out a signal that reflects off a surface and the return signal is detected by the receiver. If the target is too far away, there will be insufficient energy for the signal to return to the receiver. However, the target can detect that radar signal from the transmitter.

So why not just up the power of the transmitter? It's not hard. Your microwave oven works at 2.4 GHz and is probably around 1100 watts. Ours cost a couple of hundred dollars. Radar systems can cost millions. The problem is that the extra power simply goes straight over the top of the target and as far as the power level permits.

You can experiment with this yourself. Get something like a beach ball. The earth is massive after all. Rest a straight piece of timber on the top of the ball. Get two objects to represent ships. They will be tiny compared to the size of the ball. Then move them towards the straight edge on opposite sides. You will see that the objects remain in the "shadow" of the earth's surface until they get close enough to where the curvature no longer interferes. This is called "line of sight" in radio/radar technology.

 

[gb9]

Please do not add to my words as i never said that - thank you

PS - i made it 100% clear that no one is saved by believing correctly on the shape of the earth but only by the Blood of Christ shed for us on the Cross.

*** When i refer to 'globalists' it only pertains to the unsaved who "suppress the truth in unrighteousness" = Romans 1:18

Peace

all right, my mistake.

 

[maxwel]

Believing is not the same thing as faith.

Faith is believing something without being able to know by direct observation. I have faith that I will rise again to eternal life because Jesus has done so. However, I have not observed His resurrection or ascension.

Believing that the Earth is flat is not in the same category at all.

Hey Dino,
I was completely baffled by this argument about equivocating belief and faith, and then claiming this semantic jumble proved something it had nothing to do with in the first place... and then voila the earth is flat.
I honestly felt like I'd bumped my head on something.


Anyway, I would define faith a little bit differently, but belief and faith are definitely different kinds of things.
They aren't equivalent.
I don't think any theologians or philosophers would call them equivalent.

(And before our flat-earth friend provides a proof-text that further confuses definitions:
If belief and faith have overlapping attributes, or if one is a subcategory of the other... then they would be different and distinct, and yet have some ability to be interchangeable, sententially, within certain contexts. That's just how language works. That's why we need to read things carefully.)


Alright, keep up the good work: I need to go rest my head... I think it was injured.
: )
.

 

[Gideon300]

Have you brought up the numbers? If so, I must have skipped over them. I'm fairly sure the radar numbers will also prove a Flat Earth, even moreso than light does (e.g. ships and lighthouses being visible at sea beyond where the curved horizon would be, were Earth a ball), as radar is detectable at further distances than light. Please share if you have them.

I don't know what you studied in your education, but it's plain that science is not your strong point. Light travels around 150 km from the sun to the earth. Stars are vastly further away. Light is just a higher frequency on the electromagnetic spectrum. The distance it travels depends entirely on the power of the light source.

Your "fairly sure" is in fact the opposite. Radar definitely is evidence that the earth is a globe.

 

[TMS]

Focus on Jesus.
Focus on how we can introduce people Jesus.

If you want to believe it is a globe or it is flat is okay because it doesn't affect salvation. We can ask Jesus to reveal the truth as long as we are saved.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Thank you Lucy for your love and Holy Spirit truth that is in you.

Isaac Newton was a globalist and occultist = please read up on his true beliefs/interests and studies.

Many a occultist will 'believe' the bible and quote from it.

Have you considered the great expanse of these words of our LORD who said: "wolves in sheeps clothing"

Peace

"Everyone I disagree with is a Satanist"

I have read many of Newton's writings and his biography. That's why I brought him up.
Academics of that age often held discourse on scripture because at that time The Lordship of Christ was a generally accepted
principle. Most of the colleges of Cambridge University (Newton's) have Chritian names for a reason. It was a different world then.

The Law of Gravity has nothing to do with globalism or false spiritual teaching. If you think it's wrong then present an alternate
theory that didproves it. I mean a credible scientific theory with evidence, not hearsay.

BTW a globe-shaped planet is not a component of political 'globalism'

 

[Moses_Young]

I don't know what you studied in your education, but it's plain that science is not your strong point.

Ad hominem.

Light travels around 150 km from the sun to the earth. Stars are vastly further away.

Only in heliocentric theory are the "stars vastly further away" than the sun. In ball-Earth theory, they are usually relatively close, like the sun.

Light is just a higher frequency on the electromagnetic spectrum. The distance it travels depends entirely on the power of the light source.

Have you heard of X-rays? Also just another frequency on the electromagnetic spectrum. Happens to travel through flesh and all sorts of other objects, unlike visible light. The frequency/wavelength determines its properties. Radio waves travel further than light waves, for the same reason, which is why I asked the question.

Your "fairly sure" is in fact the opposite. Radar definitely is evidence that the earth is a globe.

I see you keep posting that opinion "radar definitely is evidence that the Earth is a globe". Post some numbers to prove it (as these will be easy for me/us to refute and demonstrate that they better support Flat Earth theory). I'm wagering you don't have the numbers, because this is just your belief that you are selling as a fact.

 

[Moses_Young]

I don't know what you studied in your education, but it's plain that science is not your strong point. Light travels around 150 km from the sun to the earth. Stars are vastly further away. Light is just a higher frequency on the electromagnetic spectrum. The distance it travels depends entirely on the power of the light source.

Your "fairly sure" is in fact the opposite. Radar definitely is evidence that the earth is a globe.

I did some quick research, else this is ever going to be a stalemate.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-range-of-an-average-marine-radar-on-US-Navy-ships?share=1

It sounds like a typical, off-the-shelf military radar has a range of about 25 nautical miles (although some have much further range). I believe 25 nautical miles translates to 46.3 km.

Presuming the radar is mounted 10 m above the water (I think this is conservative, as lots of boats would be shorter), and the boat it is detecting is 10 m above the water, the maximum distance the radar could detect this boat on a ball-Earth is 24.79 km.

Just enter the heights of the observer and object in the calculation page attached.

https://rechneronline.de/sehwinkel/distance-horizon.php

So, ball-Earth theory predicts a maximum radar range for this scenario of 24.79 km, due to curvature of Earth, but a standard radar (probably mounted much lower) can detect up to 46.3 km. Bear also in mind even more powerful radars can purportedly achieve better range, trashing ball-Earth theory even further.

As I indicated previously and suspected it would be, marine radar is a proof/verification of the Flat-Earth we observe, and a refutation of Ball-Earth theory.

 

[DavidTree]

"Everyone I disagree with is a Satanist"

I have read many of Newton's writings and his biography. That's why I brought him up.
Academics of that age often held discourse on scripture because at that time The Lordship of Christ was a generally accepted
principle. Most of the colleges of Cambridge University (Newton's) have Chritian names for a reason. It was a different world then.

The Law of Gravity has nothing to do with globalism or false spiritual teaching. If you think it's wrong then present an alternate
theory that didproves it. I mean a credible scientific theory with evidence, not hearsay.

BTW a globe-shaped planet is not a component of political 'globalism'

Also, most of the world believes Roman Catholicism is christianity and the Pope is the vicar of Christ.

There is no such thing as "the law of gravity".

There is only a proposed 'theory of gravity'

"no lie is of the truth" = 1 John 2:21

BTW - Globe shaped planet spinning thru space is part of a 'global deception' thru the 'god of this world' which began thousands of years ago.

PLEASE refrain from adding to my words as that does not please our Lord Jesus Christ = "no lie is of the truth" = 1 John 2:21



The fact that you have accepted gravity is a 'law' already demonstrates the level of deception upon the world.

Question: How does a balloon filled with helium resist the gravitational field?

 

[Dino246]

i believe HE created rainbow after the Great Flood = Genesis 9:8--17

We can agree to disagree on that; the text isn't clear enough to make a categorical decision.

IMHO - The rainbow reflects the truth of the firmament that separates the waters above = thus its creation and meaning to us on earth.

O as in Opinion, not based on fact of the text... or any intimation thereof.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Also, most of the world believes Roman Catholicism is christianity and the Pope is the vicar of Christ.

There is no such thing as "the law of gravity".

There is only a proposed 'theory of gravity'

"no lie is of the truth" = 1 John 2:21

BTW - Globe shaped planet spinning thru space is part of a 'global deception' thru the 'god of this world' which began thousands of years ago.

PLEASE refrain from adding to my words as that does not please our Lord Jesus Christ = "no lie is of the truth" = 1 John 2:21



The fact that you have accepted gravity is a 'law' already demonstrates the level of deception upon the world.

Question: How does a balloon filled with helium resist the gravitational field?

I've accepted that if I let go of a heavy object it will fall. Unless God intervenes. The Lord didn't create the natural world
without laws and boundaries. Read Job 38 again.

Helium is lighter than air. What is your point?

 

[Dino246]

Question: How does a balloon filled with helium resist the gravitational field?

It doesn't. Put a helium balloon in a vacuum and it will fall like a stone. Put it in regular atmosphere and it will float up.

David, you need to propose an alternate testable theory in place of the gravity you deny. You have to explain the forces that cause change in momentum that happens when unsupported heavier-than-air objects fall. Until you do so, you're spouting empty wind. Quit blathering about globalist deception and start explaining the reality we experience in light of your alleged superior knowledge.

 

[Dino246]

Why does water always seek it's own level 24/7 everywhere on earth?

Gravity.

Has anyone ever proven that water bends around a sphere and remains level at all places covering the sphere all at the same time?

It doesn't remain level; it changes with tides, caused by gravity.

What causes boats to float? Trully amazing anti-garvity technology or just the truth of Laws of Physics created by the Creator?

Displacement, related to gravity.

How come the water under the boat does not rush off the planet when the boat mysteriously drops below the horizon (haha)?

Gravity.

You deny gravity, but offer no alternate explanation. I am confident that you don't have an alternate explanation.

Gravitational force is one of the physical laws given by the Creator, Jesus Christ. Deal with it.

 

[Dino246]

Well, i'd rather be blissfully engaged in the Laws governing the earth set forth by the Lord and proven by Water/Weight/Mass then to be enraptured by a 'theory' that was created by globalists who are void of Truth.

Plain ignorance is excusable. Willful ignorance is foolish.

 

[Jocund]

flat earth image

Atuine, the great space turtle. Holding up the four elephants that support the world. Every time the elephants get restless, they shift around and cause earthquakes. Great reference. Terry Prachet is always worth a chuckle.

The best part of that series is that due to magic, the world momentarily becomes a globe without the space animals in support (the series is a comedy adventure).

 

[DavidTree]

Plain ignorance is excusable. Willful ignorance is foolish.

i firmly agree with your statement.

Now apply it to your belief that the 'theory of gravity' is a 'law'.

Peace to you today in Christ
no peas found in rice (unless you add them)

theories come and theories go
a globe earth spinning thru space
is one of them - you know

ROCK Solid is this
if you have heard
for the word of the Lord endures forever
a Good Thing to know
during inclement weather

 

[DavidTree]

Gravity.


It doesn't remain level; it changes with tides, caused by gravity.


Displacement, related to gravity.


Gravity.

You deny gravity, but offer no alternate explanation. I am confident that you don't have an alternate explanation.

Gravitational force is one of the physical laws given by the Creator, Jesus Christ. Deal with it.

This is remarkably unscientific and funny

 

[Dino246]

This is remarkably unscientific and funny

Yet you again offer nothing as an alternative.

Most likely because you have nothing to offer.