Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

[RaceRunner]

The Sun’s annual journey from tropic to tropic, solstice to solstice, is what determines the length and character of days, nights and seasons. This is why equatorial regions experience almost year-round summer and heat while higher latitudes North and especially South experience more distinct seasons with harsh winters. The heliocentric model claims seasons change based on the ball-Earth’s alleged “axial tilt” and “elliptical orbit” around the Sun, yet their flawed current model places us closest to the Sun (91,400,000 miles) in January when its actually winter, and farthest from the Sun (94,500,000 miles) in July when its actually summer throughout most of the Earth.

 

[RaceRunner]

The fact that the Sun and Moon’s reflections on water always form a straight line path from the horizon to the observer proves the Earth is not a ball. If Earth’s surface was curved it would be impossible for the reflected light to curve over the ball from horizon to observer.

 

[RaceRunner]

There are huge centuries-old stone sundials and moondials all over the world which still tell the time now down to the minute as perfectly as the day they were made. If the Earth, Sun and Moon were truly subject to the number of contradictory revolving, rotating, wobbling and spiraling motions claimed by modern astronomy, it would be impossible for these monuments to so accurately tell time without constant adjustment.

 

[RaceRunner]

To quote William Carpenter, “Why, in the name of common sense, should observers have to fix their telescopes on solid stone bases so that they should not move a hair's-breadth, - if the Earth on which they fix them moves at the rate of nineteen miles in a second? Indeed, to believe that ‘six thousand million million million tons’ is ‘rolling, surging, flying, darting on through space for ever’ with a velocity compared with which a shot from a cannon is a ‘very slow coach,’ with such unerring accuracy that a telescope fixed on granite pillars in an observatory will not enable a lynx-eyed astronomer to detect a variation in its onward motion of the thousandth part of a hair's-breadth is to conceive a miracle compared with which all the miracles on record put together would sink into utter insignificance. Since we can, (in middle north latitudes), see the North Star, on looking out of a window that faces it - and out of the very same corner of the very same pane of glass in the very same window - all the year round, it is proof enough for any man in his senses that we have made no motion at all and that the Earth is not a globe.”

 

[RaceRunner]

From “Earth Not a Globe!” by Samuel Rowbotham, “Take two carefully-bored metallic tubes, not less than six feet in length, and place them one yard asunder, on the opposite sides of a wooden frame, or a solid block of wood or stone: so adjust them that their centres or axes of vision shall be perfectly parallel to each other. Now, direct them to the plane of some notable fixed star, a few seconds previous to its meridian time. Let an observer be stationed at each tube and the moment the star appears in the first tube let a loud knock or other signal be given, to be repeated by the observer at the second tube when he first sees the same star. A distinct period of time will elapse between the signals given. The signals will follow each other in very rapid succession, but still, the time between is sufficient to show that the same star is not visible at the same moment by two parallel lines of sight when only one yard asunder. A slight inclination of the second tube towards the first tube would be required for the star to be seen through both tubes at the same instant. Let the tubes remain in their position for six months; at the end of which time the same observation or experiment will produce the same results--the star will be visible at the same meridian time, without the slightest alteration being required in the direction of the tubes: from which it is concluded that if the earth had moved one single yard in an orbit through space, there would at least be observed the slight inclination of the tube which the difference in position of one yard had previously required. But as no such difference in the direction of the tube is required, the conclusion is unavoidable, that in six months a given meridian upon the earth's surface does not move a single yard, and therefore, that the earth has not the slightest degree of orbital motion."

 

[oyster67]

It has puzzled me to no end as to why so many seemingly intelligent individuals can fall for such outlandish suppositions and theories. I think it’s because they learned circular-reasoning at an early age, and never outgrew it.

When a child realizes that he was lied to by those who he trusted and looked up to (the public education system), he becomes very suspicious and questions every theory (especially when it was deceitfully presented as fact.)

 

[RaceRunner]

NASA and modern astronomy maintain that the Moon is a solid, spherical, Earth-like habitation which man has actually flown to and set foot on. They claim the Moon is a non-luminescent planetoid which receives and reflects all its light from the Sun. The reality is, however, that the Moon is observably not a solid body, it is clearly circular, but not spherical, and not in any way an Earth-like planetoid which humans could set foot on. In fact, the Moon has been proven largely transparent and completely self-luminescent, shining with its own unique light.

 

[oyster67]

Newton also theorized and it is now commonly taught that the Earth’s ocean tides are caused by gravitational lunar attraction. If the Moon is only 2,160 miles in diameter and the Earth 8,000 miles, however, using their own math and “law,” it follows that the Earth is 87 times more massive and therefore the larger object should attract the smaller to it, and not the other way around. If the Earth’s greater gravity is what keeps the Moon in orbit, it is impossible for the Moon’s lesser gravity to supersede the Earth’s gravity, especially at Earth’s sea-level, where its gravitational attraction would even further out-trump the Moon’s. And if the Moon’s gravity truly did supersede the Earth’s causing the tides to be drawn towards it, there should be nothing to stop them from continuing onwards and upwards towards their great attractor.

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They both attract each other. They are essentially in love.

The orbital motion (revolution) of the moon around the Earth keeps it at a fixed distance.

 

[oyster67]

the velocity and path of the Moon are uniform and should therefore exert a uniform influence on the Earth’s tides, when in actuality the Earth’s tides vary greatly and do not follow the Moon.

Lag effect, just like the temperature of oceans at different times of the year and temperature on land at different times of day.

Earth’s lakes, ponds, marshes and other inland bodies of water also inexplicably remain forever outside the Moon’s gravitational grasp!

Not.

all lakes, ponds and other bodies of standing water should certainly have tides as well.

I'm sure they do (just imperceptibly small.)

 

[Shepherd]

It's not "round" or "flat". It's a sphere.(which some simply call "round"). I'm looking for someone to show me the "cornerstone" of the earth is and the "bars, windows and doors" of the sea.

 

[oyster67]

This has gone beyond ignorance.
It's plain stupidity.

Nonetheless, I find it interesting, challenging, and educational.

 

[oyster67]

the Sun is actually 400 times larger than the Moon and 400 times farther away! You can clearly see they are the same size and distance

This is one of the truly great evidences of creation by design of God. Careful adjustment of size against distance to facilitate their both taking up the same amount of sky when viewed from Earth.

 

[oyster67]

Some years ago a guy on an internet forum insisted that infinity is
impossible. So I suggested pi and how that it's an endless decimal. He
disagreed and said a super computer somewhere had come to the end of it.
Well; I kind of doubt he was being honest 'cause a discovery like that would
be really big news.

The decimal equivalent of one-third is also infinite. I'm sure it can be proven by mathematicians with a logical proof, but I have neither the mind nor patience for such things.

 

[oyster67]

Heliocentrists’ astronomical figures always sound perfectly precise, but they have historically been notorious for regularly and drastically changing them to suit their various models. For instance, in his time Copernicus calculated the Sun’s distance from Earth to be 3,391,200 miles. The next century Johannes Kepler decided it was actually 12,376,800 miles away. Issac Newton once said, “It matters not whether we reckon it 28 or 54 million miles distant for either would do just as well!” How scientific!? Benjamin Martin calculated between 81 and 82 million miles, Thomas Dilworth claimed 93,726,900 miles, John Hind stated positively 95,298,260 miles, Benjamin Gould said more than 96 million miles, and Christian Mayer thought it was more than 104 million!

Pretty sure it's not a constant throughout the one-year cycle.

Flat-Earthers throughout the ages, conversely, have used sextants and plane trigonometry to make such calculations and found the Sun and Moon both to be only about 32 miles in diameter and less than a few thousand miles from Earth.

Well that's exciting news! That is within range of a modern airliner! Let's book a flight today!

 

[oyster67]

Another proof the Sun is not millions of miles away is found by tracing the angle of sun-rays back to their source above the clouds. There are thousands of pictures showing how sunlight comes down through cloud-cover at a variance of converging angles. The area of convergence is of course the Sun, and is clearly NOT millions of miles away, but rather relatively close to Earth just above the clouds.

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The area of convergence is obviously not the sun. The sun is likely what is illuminating the area of convergence, but the Sun is not located at the area of convergence. (I am enjoying your clever postings immensely. )

 

[oyster67]

current model places us closest to the Sun (91,400,000 miles) in January when its actually winter, and farthest from the Sun (94,500,000 miles) in July when its actually summer throughout most of the Earth.

The fact that the Earth's axis is tilted away from the Sun in winter more than compensates for the fact that we are actually a little closer to the sun in winter.

 

[oyster67]

There are huge centuries-old stone sundials and moondials all over the world which still tell the time now down to the minute as perfectly as the day they were made. If the Earth, Sun and Moon were truly subject to the number of contradictory revolving, rotating, wobbling and spiraling motions claimed by modern astronomy, it would be impossible for these monuments to so accurately tell time without constant adjustment.

Accuracy is a relative concept. How accurate is accurate enough?

The Sun is at a certain point at a certain time of the day by definition of what a day is.

 

[oyster67]

To quote William Carpenter, “Why, in the name of common sense, should observers have to fix their telescopes on solid stone bases so that they should not move a hair's-breadth, - if the Earth on which they fix them moves at the rate of nineteen miles in a second? Indeed, to believe that ‘six thousand million million million tons’ is ‘rolling, surging, flying, darting on through space for ever’ with a velocity compared with which a shot from a cannon is a ‘very slow coach,’ with such unerring accuracy that a telescope fixed on granite pillars in an observatory will not enable a lynx-eyed astronomer to detect a variation in its onward motion of the thousandth part of a hair's-breadth is to conceive a miracle compared with which all the miracles on record put together would sink into utter insignificance. Since we can, (in middle north latitudes), see the North Star, on looking out of a window that faces it - and out of the very same corner of the very same pane of glass in the very same window - all the year round, it is proof enough for any man in his senses that we have made no motion at all and that the Earth is not a globe.”

That argument might make sense were it not for the fact that vast distances are involved. Motion at distance is not as easily noted as that same motion at close range. A man running on the spine of a mountain appears stationary when viewed from miles away. That is also why we don't perceive the Sun as screaming across the sky at breakneck speed.

 

[oyster67]

NASA and modern astronomy maintain that the Moon is a solid, spherical, Earth-like habitation which man has actually flown to and set foot on.

If, as you previously stated, the moon is only a few thousand miles away, then this should not be a difficult task.

 

[GaryA]

The fact that the Earth's axis is tilted away from the Sun in winter more than compensates for the fact that we are actually a little closer to the sun in winter.

In other words, the southern hemisphere should always without exception have hotter summers than the northern hemisphere?

(Think about it...)