Is the “day of Christ” the day of the Rapture?
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Here's what happens: Immediately after the tribulation of those days
shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (Mt 24:29)
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal,
and, lo, there was a great earthquake;
and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair,
and the moon became as blood;
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth,
even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (Rev 6:12-14)
shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (Mt 24:29)
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal,
and, lo, there was a great earthquake;
and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair,
and the moon became as blood;
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth,
even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (Rev 6:12-14)
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Earthly Prophecy! And then:
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)
compare that to what The Revelation Of The Mystery Teaches about
Heavenly Departure, Correct?
Precious friend(s):
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)
compare that to what The Revelation Of The Mystery Teaches about
Heavenly Departure, Correct?
Precious friend(s):
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
That is exactly-and-precisely what pre-trib folks have done - convinced themselves that what they have been taught is true - and, refuse to look at scripture without including the base-line pre-trib assumptions they have made; instead, they have included them in their personal foundation for interpreting all of scripture. In other words, 'pre-trib' is not allowed to be questioned - period - "no matter what"...
They have been taught to interpret certain verses of scripture in a certain way - all wrapped around the pre-trib idea - which is not in scripture in the least or in the slightest.
They have, in effect - and, without realizing it - in a sense - wrapped the whole Bible around the pre-trib belief - with the 'absolute' assumption that it cannot be possible for the pre-trib idea to not be true. And, that assumption is the trap that keeps them from learning the truth of what scripture actually says...
I know what I am talking about. Why? Because, I was raised with the pre-trib belief until late teenage - when, with the Lord's help, I saw it for what it really is - a severe misinterpretation of scripture - it is not what scripture actually says...
Nope - I think not.
misinterpretation I choose not to believe a severe misinterpretation and misrepresentation of scripture.
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mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html
They have been taught to interpret certain verses of scripture in a certain way - all wrapped around the pre-trib idea - which is not in scripture in the least or in the slightest.
They have, in effect - and, without realizing it - in a sense - wrapped the whole Bible around the pre-trib belief - with the 'absolute' assumption that it cannot be possible for the pre-trib idea to not be true. And, that assumption is the trap that keeps them from learning the truth of what scripture actually says...
I know what I am talking about. Why? Because, I was raised with the pre-trib belief until late teenage - when, with the Lord's help, I saw it for what it really is - a severe misinterpretation of scripture - it is not what scripture actually says...
Nope - I think not.
misinterpretation I choose not to believe a severe misinterpretation and misrepresentation of scripture.
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mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html
1 Corinthians 15:
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
It is the 'change' that will happen "in the twinkling of an eye" - not the 'rapture'...
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
It is the 'change' that will happen "in the twinkling of an eye" - not the 'rapture'...
GaryA, so, "changed" into immortal/incorruptible to "stay on the earth,"?
Or:
If this is not our rapture/Great Grace Departure, then what do you "call It"?
ChrisE
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Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
Or:
"For the LORD Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and
the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain...
['with those resurrected, ALL of us, changed in the twinkling, and Then] ...Shall Be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds, to meet
the LORD In The Air: and so shall we ever be with The LORD."
(1Th 4:16-17)
If this is not our rapture/Great Grace Departure, then what do you "call It"?
ChrisE
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Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
Changed in a twinkling of an eye. NOT caught up in a twinkling of an eye. But the Bible is very clear"
Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
It's not the same. It contradicts the pri-tribulation beliefs. Is that doctrine now being changed like the Covid virus?
Revelation 1:7, KJV: Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Revelation 1:7, KJV: Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
This verse has ABSOLUTEY NOTHING to do with the Rapture (whether pre- mid- or post- trib). This is a prophecy of the Second Coming of Christ, and those metaphorical clouds are actually clouds of saints and angels. The saints went to Heaven before the Tribulation and now come with Christ after the Tribulation and Great Tribulation. No wonder there is so much confusion.
Who said anything at all that would even remotely suggest that the other 'parts' of the [overall] 'event' would not take place in the proper order and at the proper time...???
The Bible tells us that it is the 'change' that occurs "in a moment" - not the whole event.
It is a common misconception/misunderstanding that the 'twinkling' applies to the whole event; however, it is simply not true. The Bible indicates otherwise. And, if a Bible student wants to obtain the proper interpretation/understanding of what they are reading, they must pay close attention to the 'grammar of the language' lest they wind up with a conceptionally-skewed false idea instead of what the Bible actually says. And then - if you build on top of that - well - it just gets worse as it goes... (compounded error)
The Bible tells us that it is the 'change' that occurs "in a moment" - not the whole event.
It is a common misconception/misunderstanding that the 'twinkling' applies to the whole event; however, it is simply not true. The Bible indicates otherwise. And, if a Bible student wants to obtain the proper interpretation/understanding of what they are reading, they must pay close attention to the 'grammar of the language' lest they wind up with a conceptionally-skewed false idea instead of what the Bible actually says. And then - if you build on top of that - well - it just gets worse as it goes... (compounded error)
It is not only true but totally logical and in keeping with the Scripture.
1. The "twinkling of an eye" is simply another way of saying "in the fraction of a second" or "in a moment" or "in a nanosecond".
2. This term applies to the resurrection of the saints AS WELL AS to the Rapture: In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and [1] the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and [2] we shall be changed. (1 Cor 15:52).
3. There are two events mentioned above: [1] the Resurrection and [2} the Rapture. So in fact that is ONE EVENT which should really be called "The Resurrection/Rapture of the Church".
4. To further confirm that this is true we have this statement: 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and [1] the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 [2] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (1 Thess 4:16,17)
Now the real issue is whether you will give up your delusional thinking in view of these clear Scriptures. Sadly people cling to their delusions more strongly that clinging to the truth.
1. The "twinkling of an eye" is simply another way of saying "in the fraction of a second" or "in a moment" or "in a nanosecond".
2. This term applies to the resurrection of the saints AS WELL AS to the Rapture: In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and [1] the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and [2] we shall be changed. (1 Cor 15:52).
3. There are two events mentioned above: [1] the Resurrection and [2} the Rapture. So in fact that is ONE EVENT which should really be called "The Resurrection/Rapture of the Church".
4. To further confirm that this is true we have this statement: 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and [1] the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 [2] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (1 Thess 4:16,17)
Now the real issue is whether you will give up your delusional thinking in view of these clear Scriptures. Sadly people cling to their delusions more strongly that clinging to the truth.
I have observed and taken part in Rapture timing discussions online since 2002... I have seen all the arguments, all the debating points.. And i am very confident that the rapture is the same as the gathering at the last trumpet that will happen on the day of the return of Jesus.. And no amount of personal attacks would ever cause me to change my POV.. The interpretations of scripture by the pre-tribulation rapture supporters never moved me so why would CAPed words like Delusional or Absurdity ever motivate me?
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