Is satan a fallen angel?

[CS1]

It bothers me when I here people say that satan is a fallen angel because I am unable to find such information in the Bible.

Do people use non-biblical information assuming it is Biblical?

The word of God says Lucifer fell. The devil, dragon, serpent are all descriptions or manifestations of the same person. he a Murderer Jesus said a liar and the father of them. an accuser, the tempter, and our adversary. He is going into a pit and a lake of fire with all those other fallen angels. it is very much Biblical to call him an angel and fallen too.

 

[Benadam]

But who is that "Satan" you are talking about.

I t is certainly not a fallen angel because God hasn't warned His chosen people of a supernatural power got loose.

Jerzy, Satan's power isn't supernatural. Only God's power is defined that way. Satan is a creature with powers that are natural for angels. Angelic powers are preturnatural.

You know there was a war in heaven and the archangel Michael and his army threw Satan and his minions down to earth for there was no place for them in heaven.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Did you read the articles behind the links?

If the links are in contradiction to what I have told you, then I don't need to read them.

Jerzy, Satan's power isn't supernatural. Only God's power is defined that way. Satan is a creature with powers that are natural for angels. Angelic powers are preturnatural.

You know there was a war in heaven and the archangel Michael and his army threw Satan and his minions down to earth for there was no place for them in heaven.

Hi Benadam,

If you are referring to Revelation 12:7 where Satan and his angels are thrown out of heaven, that event has not taken place yet. Satan and his angels being thrown out of heaven and cast to the earth is the result of the 7th trumpet/3rd woe. In fact, all of the events that take place during the "what must take place later" is still future.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

It appears you are deceived into believing the fall in Rev. 12 is a future event. That fall was before Eden. The archangel that became Satan (adversary) was actually in charge of God's government before he sinned and fell:

Eze. 28:14 "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire." A prophetic mountain is a government.

His gross mismanagement is what cause the earth to become lifeless (dark and void) and in Genesis God essentially re-created the earth. God did not put an earthly king over His government, so the Kingdom of Tyre is the metaphor.

BTW: The man of sin or son of perdition, the beast and the mark have been around a long time.

I agree with much you have written. Tell me more about this son of perdition, the beast and the mark.

 

[CS1]

Jerzy, Satan's power isn't supernatural. Only God's power is defined that way. Satan is a creature with powers that are natural for angels. Angelic powers are preturnatural.

You know there was a war in heaven and the archangel Michael and his army threw Satan and his minions down to earth for there was no place for them in heaven.

interesting comment is not supernatural beyond that of mere man's context and ability? Yet the devil lives in the realm called supernatural? And we see in scriptures The devil comes as an angel of light which to speaks of a supernatural ability yet still limited ?

 

[garee]

That verse is not about Satan. That verse is about the King of Tyre as indicated by verse 12. Tyre was an ancient very famous and a very wealthy city in the ancient world. It would be in what is today presently Lebanon, so very close to Israel. The Bible and other historical records indicate the Tyrians were mostly merchants made very wealthy mostly for their product known as Tyrian Purple, a very very rare dye in the ancient world favored by the nobility of many different kingdoms. The Tyrians were racially Canaanites, specifically of the course of Sidon (son of Canaan, and also a city-state in its own right later on.) Sidon is also mentioned in this prophecy by Ezekiel in this chapter and the next few chapters.

The ultimate fate of Tyre was that the king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar, destroyed the land settlement of Tyre, but the Tyrians created a Tyre in the middle of the sea which escaped destruction (this is both in secular history as well as a prophecy the biblical book of Zechariah). In accordance to the prophecies, the Tyre in the sea would not escape destruction and the third beast king Alexander would eventually build a causeway to the Tyre in the sea and ultimately destroy it.

Satan the spirit of error has no form. When God saw pride in its heart (day 3) he no longer could be used to bring the gospel . Day four the Sun and the Moon the corruption time keeper began to unwind leading toward the last day under the the Sun .

The god of this world worked in the heart of the king of Tyre (man of sin). .Just as he the spirit of the antichrist'( singular) worked in the heart of Cain as antichrists' (plural) as legion many antichrists as men of sin .

Satan the unseen spirit of the antichrist is shown working in the heart of Peter (antichrists) who fell from false pride .

Thinking he was the key that the gates of hell could not prevail against .The law of Catholicism . ..making the flesh of Peter the key, .Just as he worked in the King of Tyre.

The Son of man, Jesus the apostle having no power to rebuke the father of lies as a prophet was given words of the lord that did rebuke the spirt of error . He said to Peter directed to the unseen father of lies; . . . Walk by faith get behind me not seen, not the Peter seen, or the King of Tyre, or the Pope .Anyone that says you need a mans seen to teach us .

Peter the serial denier was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man Jesus over and over..

Blasphemy against the unseen Holy Spirit, the one with the power not seen. . is not forgivable,

From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, (the inspired words of the father..) Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: (the father) for thou savourest not the things (unseen) that be of God, but those that be of men. (Peter or the king of Tyre). Mathew 16: 21-23

 

[Benadam]

interesting comment is not supernatural beyond that of mere man's context and ability? Yet the devil lives in the realm called supernatural? And we see in scriptures The devil comes as an angel of light which to speaks of a supernatural ability yet still limited ?

Supernatural is an effect that is beyond the powers of the created order.to produce. Angels are part of the created order.

Angels can do amazing things but can't do anything supernatural.

You know only God can do miracles.

 

[garee]

interesting comment is not supernatural beyond that of mere man's context and ability? Yet the devil lives in the realm called supernatural? And we see in scriptures The devil comes as an angel of light which to speaks of a supernatural ability yet still limited ?

I would offer.

As a counterfeiter the spirit of error, god of this world uses the supernatural law of God to do his murdering. A murder from the beginning selling his lies ..He hates the flesh of every nation that is subject to salvation . Lying spirits are not subject to the gospel .

Ssssss. . .Thou shall not die. Look at me (Ssssss) and live. The glory of God departed, the sentence of death began .

The supernatural letter of the law letter "death" will be tossed in the judgment fire of God on the last day. It will not rise up and supernaturally condemn through corruption " death" . . ever again. Death will not be remembered or a thought of it ever come to mind forever more in that way .

It has like one the older songs . By a person named Rev. Gary Parker ."Death don't have no mercy in this land". (corrupted) We have rest yoked with him.

It would seem we can sing a joyous song from the glorious, unseen holy side. . Then we can sing the song we have been rehearsing

Exodus 15:1-2 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the Lord, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the Lord, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea. The Lord is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him. The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name. ...

Exodus 15:13 Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people which thou hast redeemed: thou hast guided them in thy strength unto thy holy habitation.

 

[CS1]

Supernatural is an effect that is beyond the powers of the created order.to produce. Angels are part of the created order.

Angels can do amazing things but can't do anything supernatural.

You know only God can do miracles.

supernatural I think can be done by the devil in fact he will use them to deceive the world will he not? If an angel can do amazing things how is that not supernatural when angels are supernatural beings? a miracle is a supernatural intervention done in the natural that can not be explained by human rational correct?

 

[Benadam]

supernatural I think can be done by the devil in fact he will use them to deceive the world will he not? If an angel can do amazing things how is that not supernatural when angels are supernatural beings? a miracle is a supernatural intervention done in the natural that can not be explained by human rational correct?

Lying signs and wonders according to Paul.
Satan can make you sick and to fake a supernatural healing he can stop and let you heal.

 

[garee]

Lying signs and wonders according to Paul.
Satan can make you sick and to fake a supernatural healing he can stop and let you heal.

I would add he can counterfeit both but is never the supernatural power. God's supernatural tongue has the power of life and death. The father of lies reals two lying wonders rolled into one. Making the indestructible power or will of God (not seen)and giving it over the corrupted hands of men "the temporal seen" Making the apostles' gods in the likeness of men and not the likeness of our unseen God, and heavenly Father. But rather mirror images as if God was a man and not eternal Spirit. .

Acts 14:7-12 And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.
And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; (the unseen father) and Paul, Mercurius, (the unseen high priest). because he was the chief speaker.

The father lies the god of paganism even gives them counterfeit names that usurp unseen authority of our God and displays them in the heavens as lying wonders , the lying gospel of the stars.

 

[CS1]

Lying signs and wonders according to Paul.
Satan can make you sick and to fake a supernatural healing, he can stop and let you heal.

Yes, I know of " lying signs " the word of God says he will DO signs and wonders too. If the devil can make me sick is that not done by a supernatural ability? if he can't create then how can he make? Are we not splitting hairs?

 

[Benadam]

Yes, I know of " lying signs " the word of God says he will DO signs and wonders too. If the devil can make me sick is that not done by a supernatural ability? if he can't create then how can he make? Are we not splitting hairs?

Thats preturnatural. Angelic powers were created to govern creation
Angels and their powers particular to each are created and set the limit of what they can do. Supernatural power is not limited.