Is repentance necessary for forgiveness?

[throughfaith]

It all depends whether you apply the correct meaning to the phrase, according to the Greek interpretation of certain words. For instance, there is a world of sports, a world fish, a world of Jews, a world of Gentiles, and a world of believers.

Why would God tell us to love not the world, that he says he "so loves"?

The only way that you can rightly divide the scriptures is to know what the Greek meaning of certain words are.

Yes, thats called ' the greek game ', its very popular today . A certain theology which you follow is built on syllogism rather than what the bible actually says . When we're told not to love the world ,clearly this does not include our own children , wifes and family. Or in the sense of loving God's creation..Caring for the animals and such . Maybe admiring his handiwork. The stars ,a beautiful sunset ect. No clearly the context is loving the 'systems of the world ''sin ' the passing pleasures and such .
So again if Jesus really did die for the sins of the world ,as in literally the whole world . Not Just our sins, but the sins of the whole world ,how Should the bible have said it ?

 

[know1]

Do you even know what a seal represents?

I would say I do in part, do you?
One thing I know about a seal, is that it is not permanently affixed to the outside of whatever, but is temporal. At least until the intended time, place, and/or person broke the seal to look at, read, or get to the contents inside. And back in Jesus' time on Earth, it also identified who placed or stamped their mark, symbol, or script on the seal.
I think one thing to note here is that the seal was to protect and ensure the integrity and authenticity of the contents within the sealed package, until the time the contents were to be revealed.
Another thing is the fact that there was a mark placed on the seal, and the seal was placed over the mouth of the package. In today's society, we use numbers, for the most part.

 

[know1]

Know 1, I have the same problem with his reply.

Right?!
I would be hard-pressed to say he argued his point articulately.
But then again, if I see a mess, I will either answer only one or two of the subjects in question, or I would leave it entirely, without answering.

 

[know1]

I would like to make a correction to one thing I said. That being, that we do not need to repent to keep our salvation.
There are certain conditions that could cause a person to lose their salvation if they fail to repent of, what Jesus called, debt collecting. If we do not forgive neither will we be forgiven.

 

[peldom10]

If someone ( calvinist) is saying that all those who Jesus died and tasted death for for WILL NOT end up in the lake of fire , then everyone will be saved . Because Jesus tasted death for EVERY MAN and died for the whole world .

You are wrong..study the Bible.

 

[peldom10]

It all depends whether you apply the correct meaning to the phrase, according to the Greek interpretation of certain words. For instance, there is a world of sports, a world fish, a world of Jews, a world of Gentiles, and a world of believers.

Why would God tell us to love not the world, that he says he "so loves"?

The only way that you can rightly divide the scriptures is to know what the Greek meaning of certain words are.

God loves the world as His creation.
He warns us against such because we would consider it as an Idol.

 

[peldom10]

I would like to make a correction to one thing I said. That being, that we do not need to repent to keep our salvation.
There are certain conditions that could cause a person to lose their salvation if they fail to repent of, what Jesus called, debt collecting. If we do not forgive neither will we be forgiven.

Not just ...not forgiving.

 

[peldom10]

Why are some of you ...new age religion types...arguing that repentance is not necessary.....THE BIBLE.... says it is required.
Example;.....Acts 2;38....
ACTS 2:38 KJV "Then Peter said vnto them, Repent, and be ...
www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_Acts-2-38
Acts 2:38. “Then Peter said vnto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the Name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of sins..... 1611 King James Version (KJV)....et.al.

How can any reasonably intelligent entity disagree with that?.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I would be hard-pressed to say he argued his point articulately.
But then again, if I see a mess, I will either answer only one or two of the subjects in question, or I would leave it entirely, without answering.

Precious friend, I hope this is articulate enough...

There are certain conditions that could cause a person to lose their salvation if they fail to repent of, what Jesus called, debt collecting. If we do not forgive neither will we be forgiven.

...Did you know God Says TWO Different things about forgiveness?:

Prophecy/Law TO ISRAEL:
(16) Forgive others FIRST, THEN God Will Forgive!
(Matthew 6:14-15, 18:35; Mark 11:25-26; Luke 6:37 KJB!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!) From Things That DIFFER!:

Mystery/GRACE To The Body Of CHRIST!:
(16) Forgive others BECAUSE CHRIST Has Already FORGIVEN us!
(Ephesians 4:32 KJB!) Because Of HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD, Correct?:

CHRIST's FULL Sacrifice!

The other 17 Distinctions In God's TWO Different Programs
are articulated here:
Distinctions In God's Two Different Programs: Prophecy vs Mystery!

God's ETERNAL Salvation Is articulated in these TWO "studies":
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
God's FREE Gift of ETERNAL Life!

Be Blessed!

 

[throughfaith]

I would like to make a correction to one thing I said. That being, that we do not need to repent to keep our salvation.
There are certain conditions that could cause a person to lose their salvation if they fail to repent of, what Jesus called, debt collecting. If we do not forgive neither will we be forgiven.

That verse is before the cross. OT

 

[throughfaith]

You are wrong..study the Bible.

1 John 2:2

“And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”

 

[HatedForNoReason]

It is a requirement of Salvation, for, without it, there can be no relationship with Christ. Repentance is one of the four major "Works" of Christ . . . repentance is granted by Him. The ability to Repent and Turn to Christ is granted.

-The Seal of the Holy Spirit of promise that is only given to God's elects (Ephesians 1:13; Ephesians 4:30; II Corinthians 1:21-22; II Timothy 2:19, Revelation 7:3-4)
https://www.gotquestions.org/calvinism.html

Water baptism (just a symbol of outward) is not required, but Holy Spirit is needed to be saved.

 

[know1]

Precious friend, I hope this is articulate enough...

...Did you know God Says TWO Different things about forgiveness?:

Prophecy/Law TO ISRAEL:
(16) Forgive others FIRST, THEN God Will Forgive!
(Matthew 6:14-15, 18:35; Mark 11:25-26; Luke 6:37 KJB!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!) From Things That DIFFER!:

Mystery/GRACE To The Body Of CHRIST!:
(16) Forgive others BECAUSE CHRIST Has Already FORGIVEN us!
(Ephesians 4:32 KJB!) Because Of HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD, Correct?:

CHRIST's FULL Sacrifice!

The other 17 Distinctions In God's TWO Different Programs
are articulated here:
Distinctions In God's Two Different Programs: Prophecy vs Mystery!

God's ETERNAL Salvation Is articulated in these TWO "studies":
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
God's FREE Gift of ETERNAL Life!

Be Blessed!

Sorry sir, I wasn't able to follow the line of thought concerning repentance and forgiveness you mentioned. Would you care to try writing it a different way?

 

[know1]

That verse is before the cross. OT

True to a point, but maybe not so much the Old testament.
Before Jesus came, no one called God almighty, Father, like Jesus kept telling them he was, that is to those who believed in and on him and his name. And John 1:12, which you would consider Old testament, because it was before Jesus died on the cross, rather, risen from the grave, it is written, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become sons of God, even to them that believed on his name."
They might not have been born again, because the holy Spirit had not been given yet, as Christ had not risen from the dead, but they were at the same time, sons and daughters of God, because they believed on Jesus and in the name of Jesus as well. For his disciples came back and said even the spirits are subject unto us in your name.
So when Jesus said and Mark 11:25-26, and when you stand praying forgive, if you have ought against any, that your father which is in heaven May forgive you your trespasses.
But if you do not forgive, neither will your father, which is in heaven, forgive you your trespasses.
And the Old testament they were called, sheep. But in the New testament, we are known as sons and daughters of God. Therefore, I would say, though the statement was made before Jesus rose from the dead and the spirit of God was given to man, they were at the same time, both children of light, for they received the truth or word of God, which is light, and God also is light, and therefore Jesus was able to call them, rightfully so, children of God.

 

[know1]

True to a point, but maybe not so much the Old testament.
Before Jesus came, no one called God almighty, Father, like Jesus kept telling them he was, that is to those who believed in and on him and his name. And John 1:12, which you would consider Old testament, because it was before Jesus died on the cross, rather, risen from the grave, it is written, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become sons of God, even to them that believed on his name."
They might not have been born again, because the holy Spirit had not been given yet, as Christ had not risen from the dead, but they were at the same time, sons and daughters of God, because they believed on Jesus and in the name of Jesus as well. For his disciples came back and said even the spirits are subject unto us in your name.
So when Jesus said and Mark 11:25-26, and when you stand praying forgive, if you have ought against any, that your father which is in heaven May forgive you your trespasses.
But if you do not forgive, neither will your father, which is in heaven, forgive you your trespasses.
And the Old testament they were called, sheep. But in the New testament, we are known as sons and daughters of God. Therefore, I would say, though the statement was made before Jesus rose from the dead and the spirit of God was given to man, they were at the same time, both children of light, for they received the truth or word of God, which is light, and God also is light, and therefore Jesus was able to call them, rightfully so, children of God.

There is more written on this subject in the New testament as well.
For the most part, forgiveness of a believer's sins, is not only to restore fellowship with the father, but also is for the purpose of getting both delivered and healed, both spiritually and physically. Without the forgiveness of God, it is very difficult to get delivered or healed from whatever it may be. The parable in Matthew 18 gives a vivid description of what would take place to a person who refused to forgive others or continued to be a so called, debt collector.
If a child of God refuses to forgive a person or people before he dies, he will lose his salvation. There are many many examples in the New testament a testing to this very fact.
Once saved always saved is a theory, but it is not backed up by scripture.

 

[throughfaith]

True to a point, but maybe not so much the Old testament.
Before Jesus came, no one called God almighty, Father, like Jesus kept telling them he was, that is to those who believed in and on him and his name. And John 1:12, which you would consider Old testament, because it was before Jesus died on the cross, rather, risen from the grave, it is written, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become sons of God, even to them that believed on his name."
They might not have been born again, because the holy Spirit had not been given yet, as Christ had not risen from the dead, but they were at the same time, sons and daughters of God, because they believed on Jesus and in the name of Jesus as well. For his disciples came back and said even the spirits are subject unto us in your name.
So when Jesus said and Mark 11:25-26, and when you stand praying forgive, if you have ought against any, that your father which is in heaven May forgive you your trespasses.
But if you do not forgive, neither will your father, which is in heaven, forgive you your trespasses.
And the Old testament they were called, sheep. But in the New testament, we are known as sons and daughters of God. Therefore, I would say, though the statement was made before Jesus rose from the dead and the spirit of God was given to man, they were at the same time, both children of light, for they received the truth or word of God, which is light, and God also is light, and therefore Jesus was able to call them, rightfully so, children of God.

John 7
37¶In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly SHALL flow rivers of living water.

39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost WAS NOT YET GIVEN; because that JESUS WAS NOT YET GLORIFIED.)

 

[throughfaith]

True to a point, but maybe not so much the Old testament.
Before Jesus came, no one called God almighty, Father, like Jesus kept telling them he was, that is to those who believed in and on him and his name. And John 1:12, which you would consider Old testament, because it was before Jesus died on the cross, rather, risen from the grave, it is written, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become sons of God, even to them that believed on his name."
They might not have been born again, because the holy Spirit had not been given yet, as Christ had not risen from the dead, but they were at the same time, sons and daughters of God, because they believed on Jesus and in the name of Jesus as well. For his disciples came back and said even the spirits are subject unto us in your name.
So when Jesus said and Mark 11:25-26, and when you stand praying forgive, if you have ought against any, that your father which is in heaven May forgive you your trespasses.
But if you do not forgive, neither will your father, which is in heaven, forgive you your trespasses.
And the Old testament they were called, sheep. But in the New testament, we are known as sons and daughters of God. Therefore, I would say, though the statement was made before Jesus rose from the dead and the spirit of God was given to man, they were at the same time, both children of light, for they received the truth or word of God, which is light, and God also is light, and therefore Jesus was able to call them, rightfully so, children of God.

A person becomes a child of God through the ' new birth ' .

 

[throughfaith]

There is more written on this subject in the New testament as well.
For the most part, forgiveness of a believer's sins, is not only to restore fellowship with the father, but also is for the purpose of getting both delivered and healed, both spiritually and physically. Without the forgiveness of God, it is very difficult to get delivered or healed from whatever it may be. The parable in Matthew 18 gives a vivid description of what would take place to a person who refused to forgive others or continued to be a so called, debt collector.
If a child of God refuses to forgive a person or people before he dies, he will lose his salvation. There are many many examples in the New testament a testing to this very fact.
Once saved always saved is a theory, but it is not backed up by scripture.

In all 13 epistles, why doesn't Paul mention ' forgiveness ' as necessary to go to heaven ?This would have been crucial to tell those at Corinth this ,especially.

 

[throughfaith]

I would say I do in part, do you?
One thing I know about a seal, is that it is not permanently affixed to the outside of whatever, but is temporal. At least until the intended time, place, and/or person broke the seal to look at, read, or get to the contents inside. And back in Jesus' time on Earth, it also identified who placed or stamped their mark, symbol, or script on the seal.
I think one thing to note here is that the seal was to protect and ensure the integrity and authenticity of the contents within the sealed package, until the time the contents were to be revealed.
Another thing is the fact that there was a mark placed on the seal, and the seal was placed over the mouth of the package. In today's society, we use numbers, for the most part.

The seal in Ephesians 4.30kjv is the Holy Spirit . God the Holy Spirit seals a believer. Eph .1.13 .kjv No analogy was offered that compares. The duration is unti the day of redemption. We are predestined to it . Rom 8.23 kjv

 

[throughfaith]

True to a point, but maybe not so much the Old testament.
Before Jesus came, no one called God almighty, Father, like Jesus kept telling them he was, that is to those who believed in and on him and his name. And John 1:12, which you would consider Old testament, because it was before Jesus died on the cross, rather, risen from the grave, it is written, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become sons of God, even to them that believed on his name."
They might not have been born again, because the holy Spirit had not been given yet, as Christ had not risen from the dead, but they were at the same time, sons and daughters of God, because they believed on Jesus and in the name of Jesus as well. For his disciples came back and said even the spirits are subject unto us in your name.
So when Jesus said and Mark 11:25-26, and when you stand praying forgive, if you have ought against any, that your father which is in heaven May forgive you your trespasses.
But if you do not forgive, neither will your father, which is in heaven, forgive you your trespasses.
And the Old testament they were called, sheep. But in the New testament, we are known as sons and daughters of God. Therefore, I would say, though the statement was made before Jesus rose from the dead and the spirit of God was given to man, they were at the same time, both children of light, for they received the truth or word of God, which is light, and God also is light, and therefore Jesus was able to call them, rightfully so, children of God.

A jew under the law was required to forgive in this way ..Your bringing the law into grace .