Can we each concede that either interpretation is reasonable from the language?
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LOL, it is not all found in scripture
We have not fully arrived. We only receive enough for salvation, worship of GOD, and righteous living.
We are limited.
"Special pleading" is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone makes an exception to a rule or argument without justifying why that exception is necessary.
FYI, I provided the word of GOD your issue is with that
Essentially, it's when someone argues that a case should be treated differently without offering valid reasons for why it should be, often to defend a position that’s hard to justify.
You may disagree, but one was provided, and Scripture was given. You have not provided any scripture to refute my understanding; therefore, your argument is weak.
For example, if someone says, "I know the rule is that no one can be late, but I should be allowed to be late because I had a bad day," they’re committing special pleading
sounds like your argument
You are trying to make an exception for yourself without offering a logical reason why Open Theism should be treated differently from what the text provides in Jonah
In short, you are applying double standards without proper justification.
Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'
No weaknesses? Your denying Him of the fact of his weaknesses if you maintain He had none, for some of them are declared openly, ''but emptied Himself, having taken the form of a servant, having been made in the likeness of men.''(2Cr 12:9) How is the strength to do that NOT ''made perfect'' in that weakness. Not to mention that it is His own doing to ''search the hearts'' Your 'know all things' (1John 3:20) is therefore subject to just such an action.
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keepingthingsreal
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Those early verses pertain to the Son. I was talking about God the Father. Go ahead. List some of his weaknesses.
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Believer08
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No weaknesses? Your denying Him of the fact of his weaknesses if you maintain He had none, for some of them are declared openly, ''but emptied Himself, having taken the form of a servant, having been made in the likeness of men.''(2Cr 12:9) How is the strength to do that NOT ''made perfect'' in that weakness. Not to mention that it is His own doing to ''search the hearts'' Your 'know all things' (1John 3:20) is therefore subject to just such an action. 1 Cor 1:25
LOL. You don't know the doctrine of Kenosis
First off, Jesus said 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.” John 10:18 Willful submission is not a weakness. It is Meekness.
and the likeness of something is not an admission of accepting all of the likenesses. God became man; man did not become GOD.
The weakness was in enduring the cross period.
God sent Jonah to Nineveh to preach destruction. Repentance was not part of the message.
“Yet forty days and Nineveh shall be destroyed.”
The people of Nineveh believed God, fasted and repented of their evil.
“9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?”
When the people repented, God repented.
“10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.”
But we have what God said. That I trust. Adding to scripture to fit a theology is not good Bible study.
If John can say that Christians have an anointing and know all things, and that God knows all things, then "knows all things" does not seem to mean what classical omniscience insists it must. To claim that it means something different in one case because it is being applied to God in that case, is special pleading.
I have no issue with the word of God. I may disagree with some persons parsing of the Word of God. I may understand the Word of God to be saying something different from what you see. I can justify my understanding from cthe original languages and context, without question-begging. Those defending classical omniscience tend to question-beg and special-plead in their arguments.
"But we are talking about GOD, not someone who holds to open theism" is special pleading
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Jonah Chapter One:
Now the word of the Lord came to Jonah the son of Amittai, saying, 2 “Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry out against it; for their wickedness has come up before Me.”
after the fish spit him out chapter three states :
Chapter 3
3 Now the word of the Lord came to Jonah the second time, saying, 2 “Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and preach to it the message that I tell you.”
What was the message? Judgement is coming "Then he cried out and said, “Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown!”
They repented because of Jonah's preaching.
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keepingthingsreal
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Repentance was always an option. Don't take my word for it. Take Jonah's word for it. He knew it, and that is why he initially fled from God's call.
Jon 4:1
But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.
Jon 4:2
And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.