Those are some selected quotes taken out of context of the flow of what I was saying. But if you can't really defend what you are saying, I see why you are resorting to such tactics.[/QUOTE]
hey were done. Thank you for you for the input.
Is masturbation really a sin?
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Those are some selected quotes taken out of context of the flow of what I was saying. But if you can't really defend what you are saying, I see why you are resorting to such tactics.[/QUOTE]
hey were done. Thank you for you for the input.
You really seem to be going out on a limb on that last bit. The selling off part is supposed reconstructed ProtoIndoEuropean root that porneia derived from. Porneia is related to the Greek word for prostitution. Trying to tie the etymology to 'selling off' sexual morality seems an odd conclusion-- is that trying to treat later theoretical reconstructions of PIE as inspired and interpreting them allegorically?
I was using text to speech. That was supposed to be 'fuzzy use' of scripture.'--- as in I see that as problematic. Sorry I did not catch the error before I posted. But honestly, as confusing as my miswording error was, I do not get why you interpreted it as you did.
Also regarding vows, I mean to say 'let your yes be yes and your no be no' is about not swearing vows.
But I am in my 50's now. I'm also a married man.
I have also done a bit of work with youth from time to time over the years, and I have some materials on sexual morality I want to prepare. But my approach is to stick with the teaching of scripture. There is a lot to be said about pornography--- looking with lust. That's a huge issue that cuts across age groups and affects the young. Young people (and adults) in the church need to know not to fornicate or commit adultery. LGBT is a huge issue. We've had a couple of young folks who had issues with LGBT show up for evangelistic focused meetings we've done, and I've been in on conversations about that. I haven't had any kids ask me if it's okay to masturbate. I'm not going to preach against it without scripture, but it's not something I would encourage them to do.
It is noticeably absent from the Old Testament lists of sexual sins. I also do not find it in the New Testament scriptures. In the Old Testament, the man in a war camp who had an emission at night was to leave the camp, wash, and return after sunset. But intercourse, masturbation, or wet dreams could produce emissions. Men who had one, or a woman laying with a man who had one, were to wash and be unclean until evening.
If everyone married early, maybe the issue wouldn't have come up because they would have had that outlet. I've read Jews wanted to marry off the young men at 18 to 12, but the Greek men married in their late 20s. They married off girls in their teenage years. I Corinthians corrects incestuous fornication and warns against fornication with prostitutes, but it doesn't mention masturbation. The arguments against masturbation are as loose as the arguments against birth control or else by asserting that masturbation is included in some other word like lewdness or fornication.
This issue is a huge practical issue, not just for individuals, but for the body. In I Corinthians 5, there was a man who was a fornicator. He had his father's wife. Even if he'd married his widowed step-mother by custom, Leviticus lists this among sins for which Gentiles were driven out of the land. The church was to deliver the man over to Satan and not keep company with him. There are other sins as well.
Should a church deliver masturbators over to Satan and not keep company with them, when the sin doesn't show up in any of the lists of forbidden activities in scripture? How can you feel comfortable condemning someone as sinning without scripture to back it up?
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Daisy2
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According to the Bible, marrying one's widowed stepmother is explicitly prohibited and considered incestuous, not a customary practice.
"Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions." Ecclesiastes 7:29
This suggests that humans have devised many new sinful or corrupt inventions or schemes beyond what is specifically named in the bible.
Are you going to teach the saved ones that God has given each of them the Holy Spirit to help them be self-controlled so they don't have to masturbate??? Because that is God's solution.
God actually thinks masturbation is a sin, but you've hardened your heart against Him on this matter. Now you're influencing young Christian boys or men that it isn't and they can do it all they want? That is serious. You will answer to God to for that.
Matthew 18:6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea." 7 Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!
You'll remember this when God addresses this in you. And you can't tell Him, "But it's not specifically mentioned in the Bible!" He will shut your nasty mouth and He will show it to you in the Bible.
The Bible doesn't teach that, so I do not. I don't teach that since the Holy Spirit has given them the Holy Spirit to help them be self-controlled that they 'don't have to'.... each chocolate, or use smart phones, or use feminine hygiene products.
Are you basically prophesying this? The Bible lists many sexual sins, but does not mention this as a sin. Emissions made a man unclean in the Old Testament, even if it produced children.
Jesus said that every idle word that men shall speak they shall give account thereof on the day of judgment. Do you think you are exempt before God for your accusations of others? There is scripture that says slander is a sin and that evil speaking is a sin. Do you think writing it where billions could access it, instead of speaking, exempts you from accountability for your words?
Also, this is just something I would not address teaching people on the topic... consistent with scripture. If someone asked, I would say I am not aware that the Bible addresses the topic and teach them to keep their eyes and minds pure of lust. This is consistent with what I have posted throughout the thread, that and pointing out the loose theological reasoning and arguments that are similar to those used against birth control.
I do find it difficult to have a conversation on this on a forum where there are people who like to accuse-- even a woman who accuses me of masturbating based on her imagination and posts accusing me of it. I find that unsettling.
In case it wasn't clear, I wanted to point out that I do consider a man marrying his widowed stepmother (and sleeping with her) to be sinful. The quotes above, which were made parenthetical in the quote, are two phrases from my post, but they were not right beside each other as they are in the quote.
I gave you a scripture on it and you chose to say it doesn't mean Masturbation. So in order to present something scripturally, you first have to believe the scriptures are true. So what if they didn't use the exact term that you demand to see the inclusion of masturbation? Maybe the word masturbation wasn't known at that time? Probably.
But you got to ask yourself this: Is Masturbation sexually immoral?
I ask you this question also. Yes or no. Let your yes be yes and your no be no. Is masturbation sexually immoral?
I could show you, 'Thou shalt not kill' and say, "See, that means don't eat chocolate." That doesn't mean I've proven my case from scripture.
You showed a verse from Ezekiel about committing adultery with male idols and asserted that it referred to a dildo. I asked for evidence that zakar referred to (or even could refer to) a male body part as opposed to male in the Hebrew language used at that time. in Ezekiel, adultery is the metaphor used to refer to idolatry, and the topic is about a nation committing idolatry, not individuals having sex.
The English language we speak today had not evolved yet, so probably not. But don't you think somebody in history must have done that and the concept must have existed?
That is again the issue. And it seems like a lot of people just want to assume the conclusion without evidence. I see where scripture condemns numerous sexual activities, but does not mention this one. If it does, it's not obvious from translation.
Do you care what scriptures mean in context? Let your yes be yes and your no no is in the context of not swearing oaths... just say yes or no.
That's pretty funny right there! Too bad it doesn't have anything to do with the topic, The present question is is masturbating sexually immoral? I asked you and you didn't answer me, all you said is what you think others think and say.
So would you like to try again? You should know if chocolate has anything to do with killing, nothing. Unless you have poisoned someone's chocolate before?
But what in the world does masturbation have to do with being sexually immoral? Now then, is masturbation a sexual act? Oh, it is? So the conclusion I reached is a valid one.
Why do you keep dodging the question and derailing your answer to Ralph Wiggim type statements?
Ok here's some logic for you. You said you wont comment on if you masturbate or not. That's code talk for yes you masturbate, otherwise you would say no you don't like any normal person would.
I don't masturbate. I have when I was a kid but I grew up.
I ask you again, is masturbation sexually immoral?
Not what do others think. Not a word salad. Just a yes it's sexually immoral or no it isnt sexually immoral.
Which one is it? Yes or no?
Anyone have any idea why I just woke up and my first thought (demon?) would have me think of masturbation, when I have been pure for over a week now?
This is coming from a legit surrendered follower of Jesus Christ.
Do I need deliverance? Does my house need deliverance?
It’s almost like someone just whispered that thought in my ear upon waking up.
No, I didn’t act on it. Yes, I was tempted to but didn’t.
I think “the whisper” happened cause “my friend” Elijah messaged me on the Covenant Eyes app cause apparently they have a chat system on there now. He basically reminded me that he did as I wished a year ago and walked away from me, because I wouldn’t tolerate him sleeping with women at massage parlors.
It’s been about a year since I’ve talked to him, so I don’t know what kind of sins he is involved in or anything like that. I don’t think he is saved and maybe what ever thought or whisper is keeping me from ministering to him.
This is coming from a legit surrendered follower of Jesus Christ.
Do I need deliverance? Does my house need deliverance?
It’s almost like someone just whispered that thought in my ear upon waking up.
No, I didn’t act on it. Yes, I was tempted to but didn’t.
I think “the whisper” happened cause “my friend” Elijah messaged me on the Covenant Eyes app cause apparently they have a chat system on there now. He basically reminded me that he did as I wished a year ago and walked away from me, because I wouldn’t tolerate him sleeping with women at massage parlors.
It’s been about a year since I’ve talked to him, so I don’t know what kind of sins he is involved in or anything like that. I don’t think he is saved and maybe what ever thought or whisper is keeping me from ministering to him.
the flesh will always seek what is of the flesh and the Spirit of the spirit
I guess I shouldn’t have written that post if I was going to get an answer like this
No, please don't take it as an insult or anything like that.
You didn't give in to that first thought, right? Then you didn't sin. The devil tries to tempt me too in my thoughts once in a while, but I don't ever give in either.
No, please don't take it as an insult or anything like that.
You didn't give in to that first thought, right? Then you didn't sin. The devil tries to tempt me too in my thoughts once in a while, but I don't ever give in either.
I thought there was no condemnation, once in Jesus Christ.
I personally believe that masturbation is a sin.
I thought I would get advice about leading a sinner, like my friend Elijah, to Christ but instead, I get a condemning statement which I don’t believe was even thought out before sending. So I forgive him for that. Probably tired of something.
Anyways, you guys have my answer on what I think about on if masturbating is a sin or not. That is the real topic, right? If I’m not going to get any advice then you all might as well know that.
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Daisy2
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Condemnation means being judged guilty and sentenced to punishment. It is the verdict of guilt and the penalty for sin. In Christianity, condemnation refers to the judgment sinners face because of their sin. However, for believers in Christ, condemnation is removed because Jesus took the punishment for their sins on the cross. As Romans 8:1 says, "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."
Chastisement (or chastening) is different. It is God's loving discipline or correction of His children. It is not punishment for guilt but a form of training and guidance meant to help believers grow spiritually, repent, and live in holiness. It expresses God's love as a Father who disciplines His children for their good. Hebrews 12 says, "The Lord disciplines the one he loves."
2 Corinthians 10:5
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;.../KJV
It isn't a sin to have an sinful thought. I call them intrusive thoughts and everyone gets intrusive thoughts from the enemy. It's what you do with thought that counts. Do you dwell on it and entertain the thought? Then it turns into the sin of lust and gets into your heart. Or you seize that thought abd do not identify with it, that isn't me! I reject the thought and take it captive and send it to the feet of Jesus...then I do something else tat keeps my mind on the Lord. And it goes away.
Derek prince says the spirit of masturbation must be renounced and cast out and then it almost always comes out the people's fingers. He said some people have to shake them out while commanding them to go, in Jesus name.
I think it came back a week later to try again because you resisted him a week ago, But did you cast him out? You should do that and continue to say no the spirit of masturbation and he gets tired of hearing that and don't bother you anymore, lol
Thanks @Edward429451 . No giving in here.I have no desire to do so.
I appreciate the advice. (That’s what I was looking for) Thank you.
I speak the Binding Prayer over my house & life sometimes too. It's on youtube. And Psalm 91, all, in Jesus name.