Is masturbation really a sin?

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the context of lust or a spirit of lust is addressed by Jesus.
He doesn't say or imply anything about a spirit there. It is a discussion about a carnal behavior; specifically, looking upon a woman to lust after her; which, again isn't the OP's question.

We lust after what we should not or cannot have.

To confuse these terms is not good from a biblical point of view.
That's modern usage of the word; not biblical usage, otherwise we have Moses giving people permission to eat what they should not eat, which makes no sense.

Take heed to thyself that thou offer not thy burnt offerings in every place that thou seest: 14But in the place which the LORD shall choose in one of thy tribes, there thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, and there thou shalt do all that I command thee.
15Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart. 16Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water.
 
again, you are trying to put words in my mouth...
I never said, nor would I say that we are incapable of becoming more Christ-like.... I am simply saying that no matter how hard we try, there will still be failures. The key is to not just accept your failures as un-stoppable, but work and strive to be better every day.... try to (with the Spirit's help) achieve perfection.... even though it's impossible.

But to blithely state that all you have to do is "don't sin anymore" is not all there is to the story.... especially with newer believers. If you convince them that once they are saved, they should never fall to temptation is doing them a dis-service, spiritually.
They need to be taught that "perfection" is the goal, but to not lose hope when they fall short.... because they most certainly will.
The original question of the Op is: Is masterbation a sin?
I want to know your answer on this.
I'm not about being like the things you have already discussed. I simply want to know your answer.:)
 
He doesn't say or imply anything about a spirit there. It is a discussion about a carnal behavior; specifically, looking upon a woman to lust after her; which, again isn't the OP's question.


That's modern usage of the word; not biblical usage, otherwise we have Moses giving people permission to eat what they should not eat, which makes no sense.

Take heed to thyself that thou offer not thy burnt offerings in every place that thou seest: 14But in the place which the LORD shall choose in one of thy tribes, there thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, and there thou shalt do all that I command thee.
15Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart. 16Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water.

I wonder if that word lusteth being used is actually an archaic English word and not a direct translation of the Hebrew word.

The better way to view it "whatever your soul craves" I would say the connotation is very different and the context is very different.
 
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I wonder if that word lusteth being used is actually an archaic English word and not a direct translation of the Hebrew word.
"lusteth" is a conjugation of "lust"; which is also archaic. According to webster, in the 17th century "lust" meant desire/intense desire, and as time went on it was increasingly used to denote sexual desire; but today it is mostly only used by people arguing about the bible, I think.
 
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The original question of the Op is: Is masterbation a sin?
I want to know your answer on this.
I'm not about being like the things you have already discussed. I simply want to know your answer.:)

I think that most of the time it is probably immoral, because of the lustful thoughts involved.
As with many things, there are possibly some shades of gray, as I suggested in a previous posting.
 
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He doesn't say or imply anything about a spirit there. It is a discussion about a carnal behavior; specifically, looking upon a woman to lust after her; which, again isn't the OP's question.


That's modern usage of the word; not biblical usage, otherwise we have Moses giving people permission to eat what they should not eat, which makes no sense.

Take heed to thyself that thou offer not thy burnt offerings in every place that thou seest: 14But in the place which the LORD shall choose in one of thy tribes, there thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, and there thou shalt do all that I command thee.
15Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart. 16Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water.


I only care about the moral context and godly context as the Thread poster had and issue with right or wrong to do from a biblical perspective.
 
I would likely recommend you place this in third person. 9 out of 10 times this topic comes up, it is done by trolls. That being said it is sin.


Self-gratification is a type of idolatry. One of a sexual kind. Out of the abundance of one's heart, these issues arise. Sexual ADDITION, which most were introduced to this by 1. pornography, 2. sexual abuse, 3. homosexuality. This act begins with a perverted thought process, which leads to an addiction and a stronghold. Built of sexual fantasies and pleasure, one gets from this. One needs to be counseled and have accountability. No access to PC, phone, and other venues where one can see Porn, like social media. You need to see this for what it is. And know you are not the only one who has struggled with this. You have self-control or you don't.
 
"lusteth" is a conjugation of "lust"; which is also archaic. According to webster, in the 17th century "lust" meant desire/intense desire, and as time went on it was increasingly used to denote sexual desire; but today it is mostly only used by people arguing about the bible, I think.
Agreed most think of lust in scripture applies to wanting sex but people lust over other things as well. Covet and lust are possibly pretty close to the same. Somebody who knows Greek and or Hebrew could maybe elaborate on the difference.
 
maybe I could but I have stated from the beginning and many post which maybe you have seen or not that: self-gratification is not the cause but the effects of something deeper. I think some have a desire to do this sexual act and are just defending it.


Mathew 5:28-30 Jesus is very clear. The fact that self-gratification is not mentioned doesn't mean the action is not sinful or ungodly.

That was explained very well by me and others. after many posts later the same thing is being said while sifting through trolls and perverted comments, and secular humanism mindsets.

The context of word Desire and LUST ae not the same when desire is used can have a bad connotation, but lust always does in scripture when used.
I have been traveling for a few days and I may have missed one of your posts. And I cannot say for sure that I read all of them.

The word for lost in the Matthew 5 passage is the same word translated covet and the take commandments in the LXX With the verb inflected differently. I did not see how someone performing is act has to be coveting someone to do it. And there are also issues like collecting a fertility sample for a doctor, Married couples doing this during an act or immediately before while with a spouse, Board of the spouse does the same activity to their partner.
 
I have been traveling for a few days and I may have missed one of your posts. And I cannot say for sure that I read all of them.

The word for lost in the Matthew 5 passage is the same word translated covet and the take commandments in the LXX With the verb inflected differently. I did not see how someone performing is act has to be coveting someone to do it. And there are also issues like collecting a fertility sample for a doctor, Married couples doing this during an act or immediately before while with a spouse, Board of the spouse does the same activity to their partner.

I respect your point, however, I am not, nor have I said anything about a medical exam that would require one to provide a sample of siemen. We are talking about one who is doing something for the purpose of self-gratification. It is very clear the mindset of one who is driven to this from perversion, not a fertility check. LUST is the cause of many sexual sins recorded in the word of God. The Lust contextually seen in Amtthew 5:28 = sin and will destroy you as Jesus said . I also beleive God fully knows the intent of one's heart who is 1. trying to have children and does a medical exam which requires this to be done over 2. stimulation caused by Pornogphy and sexual addiction.

Furthermore, that was made clear. Why would I ask or speak about a medical exam and lab work needed in contrast to sexual sin?

I have never said that I would speak on a medical issue when that is self-evident. Again, it is a deflection to point out an action done that has nothing to do with lust or to suggest that one is so legalistic about sexual sin that I would also call a medical exam a sin? Come man. You and everyone here fully know if one is engaging in this activity for reasons of medical or driven by lust. God is not mocked.

One again, sexual perversion that is caused by lust and lack of self-control brings an effect which is manifested in the flesh that was allowed to build in the mind of a person, as Jesus said


"Think in their heart."
 
This ties in with the science of Neural Plasticity, where EVERY thought we have creates a protein like structure in the brain, these structures produce neuropeptides affecting our health.
Dr. Caroline Leaf teaches, "Most people don't think about what they think about".
We need to keep our thought life in line with Galatians c5 v22&23 to keep healthy.
blessings
 
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I was revisiting these podcasts looking for something in particular and came across this one. Lapin speaks on Onan so you can at least get an idea of the logic behind the concept of "Onanism."
His bottom-line explanation of Onan's sin was that being a taker rather than a giver and how that works to disturb the potential intended for the institute of marriage.
 
https://www.gotquestions.org/masturbation-sin.html
Masturbation—is it a sin according to the Bible?

The Bible does not mention masturbation, self-gratification, or “solo sex,” as it’s sometimes called. In its silence on the subject, the Bible does not say that masturbation is (or is not) a sin. Some people take the view that masturbation is a lustful act and is always wrong; others believe it involves a normal bodily function and has nothing to do with sin.

A passage frequently associated with masturbation is the story of Judah’s son Onan in Genesis 38. In fact, another word for masturbation is onanism, coined from the Genesis passage. Some interpret Genesis 38:9–10 to say that “spilling seed”—the squandering of semen—is a sin. However, God condemned Onan not for “spilling his seed” but for his rebellion. Onan refused to fulfill his duty to provide an heir for his deceased brother. Masturbation does not figure into the story at all; Onan’s punishment was the result of his failing to fulfill a family obligation.

A second proof text sometimes used to argue that masturbation is a sin is Matthew 5:27–30. Jesus speaks against having lustful thoughts and then says, “If your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away” (verse 30). While there is often a connection between lustful thoughts and masturbation, it is unlikely that Jesus was alluding to masturbation in this passage.

Though the Bible nowhere explicitly addresses masturbation, it does outline the purpose of sex. According to 1 Corinthians 7:2–5, “Each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.” Implicit in this passage are these truths:

– God’s plan for sex requires relationship, namely, that of a husband and wife (1 Corinthians 7:2). Masturbation is sex disconnected from relationship.

– Foundational to God’s plan for sex is giving one’s body to another (1 Corinthians 7:4). Masturbation is the keeping of one’s body to oneself.

– The solution to a time of deprivation is to “come together” (1 Corinthians 7:5). Masturbation is done alone, not together.

Paul taught that it was good to “stay unmarried” (1 Corinthians 7:8) due to the “crisis” facing the Corinthians (verse 26). At the same time, the apostle is careful to say that marriage is preferrable to struggling against constant sexual temptation: “If [the unmarried] cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion” (1 Corinthians 7:9). Marriage is not sinful (verse 28), but allowing passion to burn out of control will lead to sin. All believers have the responsibility to resist sexual immorality. For those not gifted with singleness, marital intimacy—not masturbation—is a good and proper deterrent to sexual sin (see 1 Corinthians 7:2).

Some see sexual fulfillment as a need akin to the need to eat or the need to scratch an itch. They point to nocturnal emissions as evidence that the body requires sexual release. Some go further and say this makes masturbation morally and ethically neutral—it is simply something the body needs and is no more sinful than urinating. However, the Bible never presents sexual fulfillment as a need, especially when the fulfillment relies on self-stimulation.

Regardless of the morality of the act of masturbation itself, certain actions often associated with masturbation are decidedly sinful: entertaining lustful thoughts, seeking inappropriate means of sexual arousal, and viewing pornography, for example. If these sins are curtailed, masturbation becomes less of a temptation. Many people struggle with guilt concerning masturbation when they would be better off repenting of the sins that lead them to masturbate.

So, is masturbation a sin? The Bible does not directly answer this question, but there are biblical principles that apply to what we do with our bodies:

(1) “So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God” (1 Corinthians 10:31). If we cannot give God glory for something, we should not do it.

(2) “Everything that does not come from faith is sin” (Romans 14:23). If we are not fully convinced that an activity is honoring to God, it is a sin for us.

(3) “I will not be mastered by anything” (1 Corinthians 6:12). Christians should avoid anything that might enslave them.

(4) “I discipline my body and keep it under control” (1 Corinthians 9:27, ESV). Self-discipline is difficult but necessary to “receive the prize” in the spiritual race we run (1 Corinthians 9:24).

(5) “The fruit of the Spirit is . . . self-control” (Galatians 5:22–23). Masturbation is almost always a sign of a lack of self-control.

(6) Do “not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want” (Galatians 5:16–17). We are called to self-denial, not self-gratification.

In light of these principles, it is doubtful that masturbation can be a God-honoring activity. If masturbation could be done with
• no lust in the heart
• no immoral thoughts
• no pornography
• no self-gratification of the flesh
• full assurance that it is good and right
• thanks given to God
then perhaps it would be allowable. But those qualifiers seem to negate the most common reasons people masturbate.

In the beginning, God intended a husband and wife to be “united” to each other, becoming “one flesh” and being unashamed in their nakedness with each other (Genesis 2:24–25). The very least we can say about masturbation is that it departs from God’s design for sexual expression and is thus not His best for us.

Excellent bible study on this subject. Thank you for the time and effort it took to put this together. Obviously the Spirit is with you. God bless.
 
I respect your point, however, I am not, nor have I said anything about a medical exam that would require one to provide a sample of siemen. We are talking about one who is doing something for the purpose of self-gratification. It is very clear the mindset of one who is driven to this from perversion, not a fertility check. LUST is the cause of many sexual sins recorded in the word of God.

What I object to is the circular reasoning... that it's a sin because it's a sin. Where does the Bible say that 'self-gratification' is sinful? A married individual could want to have sex with a partner to fulfill one's own sexual needs. I mean, even newly weds had no desire to fulfill and ONLY did it for the other party and kept saying, "I want to if you want to" and the other says, "I have no desire whatsoever but I am only willing if you want it" and they were both sincerely, they might never do anything.

Again, lust is desire... or coveting. Where is the line of reasoning that connects with the scripture like-- 'thou shalt not gratify thyself' or some scripture that indicates that masturbation is a sin. There are a couple of pages of forbidden sex acts in Leviticus. Why isn't masturbation mentioned?


The Lust contextually seen in Amtthew 5:28 = sin and will destroy you as Jesus said .

Okay, one should not covet one's neighbor's wife, or look up on the virgin with coveteousness. But how does that prove your point?

I also beleive God fully knows the intent of one's heart who is 1. trying to have children and does a medical exam which requires this to be done over 2. stimulation caused by Pornogphy and sexual addiction.

Let's say a man has no hands and his wife is out of town with the doctor needs a sample, so he uses his neighbor's wife or daughter... through intercourse, and somehow collects a sample. Does the medical exam make it not adultery or fornication.... no. Why would a medical exam make masturbation okay? Or do you think adultery for medical purposes is okay?

Do you think men or boys, or women, did not do this before the advent of photography, porn magazines, or Internet porn?

Furthermore, that was made clear. Why would I ask or speak about a medical exam and lab work needed in contrast to sexual sin?

If it is a sin, why would a medical exam make it okay?

I have never said that I would speak on a medical issue when that is self-evident.

How is this self-evident? Adultery for medical purposes is not okay. If masturbation is a sin, then masturbating for medical purposes would not be okay either, would it? The Bible says thou shalt not commit adultery. Where is the scripture that says thou shalt not masturbate?

Do you think it's sinful if done to alleviate prostate issues for unmarried men? What if it is done as a preventative measure? There are lots of 'medical' reasons.

Again, it is a deflection to point out an action done that has nothing to do with lust or to suggest that one is so legalistic about sexual sin that I would also call a medical exam a sin?

Man has no hands. Man's wife is out of town. His neighbor's wife has no hands. She offers to collect a sample. He has never thought a lustful thought about her, and isn't attracted to her, but turns off the light, and manages to collect a sample. Does the lack of lust make the adultery okay... since it's medical?

How about this scenario-- the captain of a ship in the 1700s is sent on a mission from the crown to make a treaty with a tribe in a certain country. The chief, as a matter of custom, sends one of his wives to seal the deal, and as an act of hospitality, by having the captain copulate with her. To honor the captain, he chooses the oldest and heaviest wife. The captain has absolutely no lust for this woman, but blows out the candle and does the deed so as not to offend the chief and the accomplish his mission--- sinful or not?

Come man. You and everyone here fully know if one is engaging in this activity for reasons of medical or driven by lust. God is not mocked.

'Everyone knows that' is not a Biblical reason, especially when people are either disagreeing with you or asking you to provide Biblical justification for your point.

One again, sexual perversion that is caused by lust and lack of self-control brings an effect which is manifested in the flesh that was allowed to build in the mind of a person, as Jesus said
Do you drink coffee from time to time? Is that because you lack self control? What about eating pork? If you eat that is it proof of a lack of self-control? Let's establish that something is forbidden first.
 
Jesus said to lust after her in your heart was adultery. One cannot get themselves excited without thinking of SOMEONE real or not real.
So, doing the deed in their mind, thinking of someone, is adultery.
What about the Spouse? Shouldn't that be okay? More often than not, they are thinking of someone else.
So, who HASN"T committed adultery? I have, just the way Jesus said.
 
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What I object to is the circular reasoning... that it's a sin because it's a sin. Where does the Bible say that 'self-gratification' is sinful? A married individual could want to have sex with a partner to fulfill one's own sexual needs. I mean, even newly weds had no desire to fulfill and ONLY did it for the other party and kept saying, "I want to if you want to" and the other says, "I have no desire whatsoever but I am only willing if you want it" and they were both sincerely, they might never do anything.

Again, lust is desire... or coveting. Where is the line of reasoning that connects with the scripture like-- 'thou shalt not gratify thyself' or some scripture that indicates that masturbation is a sin. There are a couple of pages of forbidden sex acts in Leviticus. Why isn't masturbation mentioned?




Okay, one should not covet one's neighbor's wife, or look up on the virgin with coveteousness. But how does that prove your point?



Let's say a man has no hands and his wife is out of town with the doctor needs a sample, so he uses his neighbor's wife or daughter... through intercourse, and somehow collects a sample. Does the medical exam make it not adultery or fornication.... no. Why would a medical exam make masturbation okay? Or do you think adultery for medical purposes is okay?

Do you think men or boys, or women, did not do this before the advent of photography, porn magazines, or Internet porn?



If it is a sin, why would a medical exam make it okay?



How is this self-evident? Adultery for medical purposes is not okay. If masturbation is a sin, then masturbating for medical purposes would not be okay either, would it? The Bible says thou shalt not commit adultery. Where is the scripture that says thou shalt not masturbate?

Do you think it's sinful if done to alleviate prostate issues for unmarried men? What if it is done as a preventative measure? There are lots of 'medical' reasons.



Man has no hands. Man's wife is out of town. His neighbor's wife has no hands. She offers to collect a sample. He has never thought a lustful thought about her, and isn't attracted to her, but turns off the light, and manages to collect a sample. Does the lack of lust make the adultery okay... since it's medical?

How about this scenario-- the captain of a ship in the 1700s is sent on a mission from the crown to make a treaty with a tribe in a certain country. The chief, as a matter of custom, sends one of his wives to seal the deal, and as an act of hospitality, by having the captain copulate with her. To honor the captain, he chooses the oldest and heaviest wife. The captain has absolutely no lust for this woman, but blows out the candle and does the deed so as not to offend the chief and the accomplish his mission--- sinful or not?



'Everyone knows that' is not a Biblical reason, especially when people are either disagreeing with you or asking you to provide Biblical justification for your point.


Do you drink coffee from time to time? Is that because you lack self control? What about eating pork? If you eat that is it proof of a lack of self-control? Let's establish that something is forbidden first.
ALL things are new in Jesus, we are no longer under any dietary laws.
 
People ask questions like this because while they are seeking God, they want to do this activity, but their consciences are screaming at them making them feel as if it might be wrong. (Duh, you think?)

Lust, sexual immorality...Stop it, get some help. You wont be delivered from it if the spirit of lust is your friend! Chew on that one.
 
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