No sir, I took Paul's advise in 1 Cor. seriouesly.
I doubt your sincerity, you seem to be playing dumb. And I'd rather be bitter than complicit to the false prosperity gospel.
Is marriage really a "foretaste of heaven"?
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I've been kicking around the planet for some time now and have never heard that 'doctrine'. I kind of think you are just wanting to have a discussion about it because saying it is taught in nearly all churches is, to put it simply, bogus. Seems to be a Catholic teaching actually and most people here are not Cahtolic. So why don't you just be up front and say it's a Catholic teaching rather than the 'taught in all churches'?
That's cause it seems to be a Catholic teaching. Motives of the op do not seem to be crystal clear
Not Catholic here and in my 2 different homechurches and our non-denominational "church" church i have heard several times over the last 20 years that marriage is a picture of the Church being the Bride and Jesus the Groom.
Then God BLESSED them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
Genesis 1:28
Doesn't sound like God was unhappy.
Yes and so has every one else but the op disagrees with that and is specific on a Catholic teaching. Perhaps consider the op's remarks again. Christians know or should know, what is in scripture.
The real fulfillment of this is the Great Commission.
All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. (Matt. 28:18-20)
Right, I got that. It's not funny though. There are a lot of Christian comedians I do find funny but that joke falls flat, imo.
Yes, I met an angel in my dreams and marriage is the closest thing on earth to heaven. It's symbolic in every way. A spouse knows almost everything about you just as God.
Likewise no one loves you like spouse in a healthy relationship similar to God. Although God loves deeper than any human is even capable. So do angels. And you will love God more than anyone even if you sometimes don't feel it on earth. We reflect back God's love on us.
I'm afraid whoever clings onto this sales pitch of marriage is in the leagues of the Sadduccess, to whom marriage in heaven no different from marriage on earth, and they attempted to ridicul Jesus from this angle. Jesus schooled them with the real insight of the afterlife, where there will be neither marriage or giving in to marriage. It is explicitly implicated that angels in heaven don't marry, yet somehow according to you, marriage is the "closest thing on earth to heaven".
Then may I humbly present you this speech at a wedding ceremony that perfectly lays out the nature and purposes of marriage.
Dearly beloved, we are gathered here
in the sight of God, and in the face of this congregation,
to join together this man
and this woman in holy matrimony,
which is an honourable estate,
instituted by God in the time of man's innocency,
signifying unto us the mystical union
that is between Christ and His church,
and therefore is not by any
to be enterprised lightly, or wantonly, to satisfy man's
carnal lusts and appetites,
but reverently, discreetly,
advisedly, soberly, and in the fear of God,
duly considering the causes for which matrimony was ordained.
First, it was ordained for the procreation of children.
Secondly, as a remedy against sin, and to avoid fornication.
Thirdly, for the mutual society, help and comfort that the one ought to have of the other, both in prosperity and adversity,
into which holy estate these persons
present come now to be joined.
why would you limit Christ to flesh and bone?
he had to appear as He was as a human to authenticate the Resurrection.
and He can appear in what ever form, when He met the two walking they did not recognize Him,
If He was invisible, no proof.
we are born of water, humans are 60 to 75% water and then to Spirit, invisible to humans, like the wind, you can't see the wind
I would never limit God
I missed that one ""that doesnt mean it isnt physical."' Sorry the third heaven and all there spirit there is no physical. and sorry you will not be living in physical homes in the third heaven. actually not sorry, living in a physical house is very limiting and a bother, and costly
The First resurrection is to Spirit - eternal -- no breathing, no water, no food, no sleep, travel at the speed of thought and our thought will be a trillion time faster then as humans
Why limit God?
Marriage is like a relationship with God that it is 2 beings dedicated to each other that includes no one else but those 2 beings in that situation.
But marriage is physical and with God it is spiritual.
A man and woman married become one flesh and God and a saint become one.
There is no relationship closer physically than marriage and no relationship closer spiritually than being with God.
Which are based on love, commitment, and dedication.
Nothing wavering at least it should not be.
But in America a whole lot of wavering be going on.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Since America is highly selfish, arrogant, lovers of money, and basically care about self, and a general distrust of others because of this behavior it will be dragged in to marriage.
But people like that breed people like that and it gets worse as time goes on.
Why do you think the Woke movement came about.
Why do you think the so called "Karens" lash out.
It is because of the behavior of America.
Some people point at people and say I act like this because they do so I am countering them.
But they didn't start the fire.
They are saying the same thing about other people.
So the people that point their finger at them become like them.
But think they are justified like the people they point at doing the same thing.
Marriage has complications today that did not happen or to a lesser degree years ago.
1. Technology causing money and material things to flow like a raging river causing a problem there.
There is more to pursue and lust over on a personal level that can cause a problem.
2. Increased immorality and selfishness so there will be a problem there.
3. Basically knew what you were getting years ago because of the low dose of immorality and selfishness in a society that could not pursue what they can now.
Which now marriage is a gamble.
4. More faults.
Which a big thing is people do not tell you their faults when they first get together because everyone is on their best behavior for if not they would not get together.
The faults do not come out until later which they come bursting forth like water from a weakened dam for they cannot hold it back because it is their personality.
Then you think why didn't you give me a heads up that you would hog up the finances, prone to cheat, and prone to hit, for if I would have known I would of not of married you.
If people gave a heads up the marriage population would be down.
5. Most relationships, marriage, are based on finances, and love is second place.
They like that both work so the bills are split leaving them money for themselves to enjoy.
Plus a lot of men do not want to support women that much anymore.
For them crying equal rights(which they should have), being in to money as a priority, and dogging out men in society and the internet.
6. People do not trust, do not love, and are selfish more, so people do not get close like they used to and try to manipulate in the relationship.
It is like a business deal between 2 companies and they both work to tip the deal in their favor.
It is like the stock market where they will invest but expect a bigger return leaving the other person with the short end of the stick.
So there is a lot of factors that pose marriage is not like as it was years ago, and more complicated than years ago.
This is not Little House on the Prairie anymore.
But marriage is physical and with God it is spiritual.
A man and woman married become one flesh and God and a saint become one.
There is no relationship closer physically than marriage and no relationship closer spiritually than being with God.
Which are based on love, commitment, and dedication.
Nothing wavering at least it should not be.
But in America a whole lot of wavering be going on.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Since America is highly selfish, arrogant, lovers of money, and basically care about self, and a general distrust of others because of this behavior it will be dragged in to marriage.
But people like that breed people like that and it gets worse as time goes on.
Why do you think the Woke movement came about.
Why do you think the so called "Karens" lash out.
It is because of the behavior of America.
Some people point at people and say I act like this because they do so I am countering them.
But they didn't start the fire.
They are saying the same thing about other people.
So the people that point their finger at them become like them.
But think they are justified like the people they point at doing the same thing.
Marriage has complications today that did not happen or to a lesser degree years ago.
1. Technology causing money and material things to flow like a raging river causing a problem there.
There is more to pursue and lust over on a personal level that can cause a problem.
2. Increased immorality and selfishness so there will be a problem there.
3. Basically knew what you were getting years ago because of the low dose of immorality and selfishness in a society that could not pursue what they can now.
Which now marriage is a gamble.
4. More faults.
Which a big thing is people do not tell you their faults when they first get together because everyone is on their best behavior for if not they would not get together.
The faults do not come out until later which they come bursting forth like water from a weakened dam for they cannot hold it back because it is their personality.
Then you think why didn't you give me a heads up that you would hog up the finances, prone to cheat, and prone to hit, for if I would have known I would of not of married you.
If people gave a heads up the marriage population would be down.
5. Most relationships, marriage, are based on finances, and love is second place.
They like that both work so the bills are split leaving them money for themselves to enjoy.
Plus a lot of men do not want to support women that much anymore.
For them crying equal rights(which they should have), being in to money as a priority, and dogging out men in society and the internet.
6. People do not trust, do not love, and are selfish more, so people do not get close like they used to and try to manipulate in the relationship.
It is like a business deal between 2 companies and they both work to tip the deal in their favor.
It is like the stock market where they will invest but expect a bigger return leaving the other person with the short end of the stick.
So there is a lot of factors that pose marriage is not like as it was years ago, and more complicated than years ago.
This is not Little House on the Prairie anymore.
Because God must die for the sin of mankind in human form, therefore He limited himself in human form. Also, his authority springs from his capacity as Moses's successor, therefore he must come into being in human form, i.e. "from their brethren".
I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. (Deut. 18:18)
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so!!! Jesus Christ, GOD, that made everything that was made, gave up Eternal life, came to die for man, coming in human flesh so He could die,
now stands next the the Father's Throne in heaven ---- in human flesh??? not restored to what He was before??
My guess would be that out of the 45,000 flavors of what is "generously" called christian --- what you believe may be accepted by a few flavors -- but you are correct -- right? and you can quote the verse stating Christ will forever be flesh and bone, no longer spirit?
not being part of one of the 45,000 flavors of confusion -- I have never been exposed to that depth of confusion --
Any flavor of confusion is yours alone. Since Jesus is in heaven, according to 1 Cor. 15:40, he is in a celestial body fit for heaven. However, I was talking about his ministry on earth. When he returns to earth, he'll reappear in his human form, a terrestrial body fit for earth.
There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. (1 Cor. 15:40)
You did not make that clear,, yes, Christ can and has appeared in many bodies. He appeared to Abraham and ate with him, He appeared to Jacob and wrestled with him and after the resurrection He met two walking and they did not recognize Him.