Is it wrong to use only LOGIC, not scripture, when arguing theology with an atheist who wants to avoid scripture?

[RandomFollowerofJesus]

Is it wrong to use only LOGIC, not scripture, when arguing with an atheist who wants to avoid scripture?


Atheists often do not want to argue about theology from within scripture.

They seem to prefer often times to stick to logic that is outside of scripture.

When i argue with atheists who want to discuss God, I ususally use logic that they can understand.
I avoid using scripture because i am trying to argue within their world view, and then expand their world view.
I stick to logic as it seems to be agreeable with them.

My question:
Is it wrong to AVOID scripture, and ONLY use logic when arguing with them on behalf of my Christian beliefs?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No, of course not. Do what you feel led to do

 

[Magenta]

Welcome!

 

[GWH]

Is it wrong to use only LOGIC, not scripture, when arguing with an atheist who wants to avoid scripture?


Atheists often do not want to argue about theology from within scripture.

They seem to prefer often times to stick to logic that is outside of scripture.

When i argue with atheists who want to discuss God, I ususally use logic that they can understand.
I avoid using scripture because i am trying to argue within their world view, and then expand their world view.
I stick to logic as it seems to be agreeable with them.

My question:
Is it wrong to AVOID scripture, and ONLY use logic when arguing with them on behalf of my Christian beliefs?

I employ logic to show atheists walk by faith and their faith provides no salvation.
If they seek salvation, I show answers to their questions from Scripture. (both-and)

 

[JohnRH]

Is it wrong to use only LOGIC, not scripture, when arguing with an atheist who wants to avoid scripture?


Atheists often do not want to argue about theology from within scripture.

They seem to prefer often times to stick to logic that is outside of scripture.

When i argue with atheists who want to discuss God, I ususally use logic that they can understand.
I avoid using scripture because i am trying to argue within their world view, and then expand their world view.
I stick to logic as it seems to be agreeable with them.

My question:
Is it wrong to AVOID scripture, and ONLY use logic when arguing with them on behalf of my Christian beliefs?

I think using logic is fine, but don't lock yourself into disallowing yourself to use Scripture.
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 1 Cor 1:21 (KJV)
God sees atheists as fools (Psalm 14:1), so He's already meeting them within their world view with the "foolishness" of preaching the cross.

 

[SomeDisciple]

I don't suppose I would argue much theology with an Atheist. If somebody prefers not to believe in the existence of God, then what they need is something that will cause them to prefer to believe.

Chances are if an Atheist wants to argue about the existence of God with Logic, then they have a big, big, mountain of logic with an error buried in there like a needle in a haystack. To me it seems like that is not a very good basis for "good faith" discourse, to have me searching through a haystack.... I'd rather just light the haystack on fire. The needle will reveal itself.

 

[PaulThomson]

Is it wrong to use only LOGIC, not scripture, when arguing with an atheist who wants to avoid scripture?


Atheists often do not want to argue about theology from within scripture.

They seem to prefer often times to stick to logic that is outside of scripture.

When i argue with atheists who want to discuss God, I ususally use logic that they can understand.
I avoid using scripture because i am trying to argue within their world view, and then expand their world view.
I stick to logic as it seems to be agreeable with them.

My question:
Is it wrong to AVOID scripture, and ONLY use logic when arguing with them on behalf of my Christian beliefs?

One can avoid using scripture in a discussion with an atheist by focusing on teasing out from him/her what they believe and why they believe it. We can show that the atheist is making a priori assumptions that are not falsifiable from within their own worldview, but those assumptions are not provable from within their own worldview. Once they see that they are trusting in a belief system, not objective facts, thw atheist might then be willing to compare the pros and cons of our two belief systems and the gains and losses they produce for their adherents.

 

[Citizen]

You can present all the logical arguments in the world, but it's God alone who has the power of salvation -

Rom 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

Rom 10:14 How, then, can they call on the One they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”

Rom 10:17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

It's also God who opens hearts to hear the gospel message -

Acts 16:14 One of those listening was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message.

Deu 30:6 The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love Him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.

Logic is great and you can certainly present logical arguments as discussion points, but understand that they are still not equal to the power of the gospel for salvation.

Eph 1:11 In Him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of His will, 12 in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of His glory. 13 And you were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation.

 

[Dino246]

I haven't encountered any genuine atheists, but I would be happy to use logic to prove their worldview false... then present Scripture to show them the Truth.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Is it wrong to use only LOGIC, not scripture, when arguing with an atheist who wants to avoid scripture?


Atheists often do not want to argue about theology from within scripture.

They seem to prefer often times to stick to logic that is outside of scripture.

When i argue with atheists who want to discuss God, I ususally use logic that they can understand.
I avoid using scripture because i am trying to argue within their world view, and then expand their world view.
I stick to logic as it seems to be agreeable with them.

My question:
Is it wrong to AVOID scripture, and ONLY use logic when arguing with them on behalf of my Christian beliefs?

Faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17).
Faith does not come by hearing logic alone.
If they don't want to hear the Bible, then its time to move on.
You can only sow the seed where you can.
God can find another vessel or way to reach them with the Word.

But going into battle without your sword is not wise.



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[ResidentAlien]

Is it wrong to use only LOGIC, not scripture, when arguing with an atheist who wants to avoid scripture?


Atheists often do not want to argue about theology from within scripture.

They seem to prefer often times to stick to logic that is outside of scripture.

When i argue with atheists who want to discuss God, I ususally use logic that they can understand.
I avoid using scripture because i am trying to argue within their world view, and then expand their world view.
I stick to logic as it seems to be agreeable with them.

My question:
Is it wrong to AVOID scripture, and ONLY use logic when arguing with them on behalf of my Christian beliefs?

I wouldn't argue or debate with someone like this, it's a waste of time. God's word and the Holy Spirit convict of sin; if they refuse to listen to God's word there's very little hope for them. They probably already know God's word and have rejected it. This type of person just wants to go away happy they won a debate (whether they did or not).

 

[Suze]

Is it wrong to use only LOGIC, not scripture, when arguing with an atheist who wants to avoid scripture?


Atheists often do not want to argue about theology from within scripture.

They seem to prefer often times to stick to logic that is outside of scripture.

When i argue with atheists who want to discuss God, I ususally use logic that they can understand.
I avoid using scripture because i am trying to argue within their world view, and then expand their world view.
I stick to logic as it seems to be agreeable with them.

My question:
Is it wrong to AVOID scripture, and ONLY use logic when arguing with them on behalf of my Christian beliefs?

I don't usually argue with atheists but if it seems as if there is a tiny chance in them being genuinely interested in the Truth I might give it a go .
If they don't want to know about scripture then my advice would b , to get familiar with the theory of evilution , yes I know I spelt it wrong but I prefer my spelling of it .
Once u learn about the pile of poo that the theory is , u will b able to poke huge holes in it in no time at all . Learn a bit about the human body , how complex the structure of our eyes is , how enormous and perfect our circulatory system is . Learn a bit about how perfectly designed animals r , how massively different all life is . Ask them where the first seed for the first plant came from , ask about the ' evilution ' of plants , how does that work . Do some homework on the utter tripe that theory is and destroy them on their own ground . When u do do this , try not to let your enjoyment in destroying their beliefs show too much .

 

[GWH]

I wouldn't argue or debate with someone like this, it's a waste of time. God's word and the Holy Spirit convict of sin; if they refuse to listen to God's word there's very little hope for them. They probably already know God's word and have rejected it. This type of person just wants to go away happy they won a debate (whether they did or not).

Sounds like some on CC.

 

[PaulThomson]

You can present all the logical arguments in the world, but it's God alone who has the power of salvation -

Rom 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

Rom 10:14 How, then, can they call on the One they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”

Rom 10:17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

It's also God who opens hearts to hear the gospel message -

Acts 16:14 One of those listening was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message.

Deu 30:6 The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love Him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.

Logic is great and you can certainly present logical arguments as discussion points, but understand that they are still not equal to the power of the gospel for salvation.

Eph 1:11 In Him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of His will, 12 in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of His glory. 13 And you were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation.

The point is not always to reap a soul. It may be to plant seeds that are able to grow into a harvest. Or sometimes, even before planting seeds, ploughing up the compacted ground to make it ready to accept a seed.

 

[Edify]

If you are going to do it right, use scripture whenever possible. You need God to convict them, so use the Word.
It is foolish to think you can beat them on their own level with their own methods.
If you want God to convict them of their sins, do everything God's way to be effective.

 

[Falconn007]

Is it wrong to use only LOGIC, not scripture, when arguing with an atheist who wants to avoid scripture?

Atheists often do not want to argue about theology from within scripture.

They seem to prefer often times to stick to logic that is outside of scripture.

When i argue with atheists who want to discuss God, I ususally use logic that they can understand.
I avoid using scripture because i am trying to argue within their world view, and then expand their world view.
I stick to logic as it seems to be agreeable with them.

My question:
Is it wrong to AVOID scripture, and ONLY use logic when arguing with them on behalf of my Christian beliefs?

If I may, arguing with atheist is pointless and not fruitful.

Atheist will change the rules of the discussion on a whim.

Atheist by simple definition means "a person who lacks belief in the existence of gods or deities"

Atheist does not mean they do not believe in God but rather they lack knowledge of God. i.e. An empty glass without drink in it or an empty plate without food on it.

The hypocrisy of atheism is this, although they, themselves claim not to believe in God, they sure waste a lot of time convincing others of their beliefs on something they claim does not exist.

The second part of their hypocrisy is , they indulge in many thing that originated by belief in God ; such as clothing, cleanliness, morals, rules, laws, governing-authorities, civilities, LOVE, HOPE, Mercy, Forgiveness, sharing, education-pursuit of knowledge(basically how science is defined), family matters(co-existing), ministry(medicine), Enlightenment(philosophy), They even claim "FAITH" in what they believe in errrr... what they do not believe in.

Most of what they claim as facts are still scientific theories.

What they do not understand, atheist call it the "UNKNOWN", funny that is how God's Knowledge of his Spiritual Word is define.

Most of their arguments are based on others works and not of their own input, basically plagiarism of others works as their own thoughts.

And boy they plagiarize it all ; stand-up comedy skits, movies, songs, poems, novels, A.I. (like their own fake intelligence), politics, religions, philosophies, ...etc.

This is a huge foolish-palette, they present as their OWN thoughts but underneath they are simply frustrated with everything in their lives but can never pin point what exactly motivates them.

The signature of atheist-ism is grasping at straw man, circle after circle they will present for anyone who does not agree with them to follow on their terms.

Should you find yourself in conversation with atheist, just treat them like the general unbelieving people that they are, nothing significant about them, and do not fall for their conversational traps that lead to their social arenas that they use to pacify their carnal-ignorant egos.

Know first, it is God who has them in this state of mind, and nothing can oppose the Will of God.

Psalm 14:1
To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David. The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good.

They are soiled children pointing at others in their arrogance, claiming "you all stink!", I would simply say "OK!?!" and move toward fresher air

 

[NightTwister]

Sounds like some on CC.

Most certainly.

 

[Aaron56]

Atheists already know God is real. But, because of their unbelief, they cannot enter into His peace.

 

[4urenlightment]

Is it wrong to use only LOGIC, not scripture, when arguing with an atheist who wants to avoid scripture?


Atheists often do not want to argue about theology from within scripture.

They seem to prefer often times to stick to logic that is outside of scripture.

When i argue with atheists who want to discuss God, I ususally use logic that they can understand.
I avoid using scripture because i am trying to argue within their world view, and then expand their world view.
I stick to logic as it seems to be agreeable with them.

My question:
Is it wrong to AVOID scripture, and ONLY use logic when arguing with them on behalf of my Christian beliefs?

Some of the things what we have been taught may not be logical. Like the theory of evolution was never true. That's why they called it a theory which means an assumption what they believe from what they have known at the time.

1 Timothy 6:20
Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge,

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Is it wrong to use only LOGIC, not scripture, when arguing with an atheist who wants to avoid scripture?


Atheists often do not want to argue about theology from within scripture.

They seem to prefer often times to stick to logic that is outside of scripture.

When i argue with atheists who want to discuss God, I ususally use logic that they can understand.
I avoid using scripture because i am trying to argue within their world view, and then expand their world view.
I stick to logic as it seems to be agreeable with them.

My question:
Is it wrong to AVOID scripture, and ONLY use logic when arguing with them on behalf of my Christian beliefs?

I spent a lot of time learning and trying to apply apologetics, science to witness to others. I have not been successful leading sceptics to Christ that way.
Perhaps others have a ministry based on that and have been successful. I recommend teaching those truths to children. That's where you will be best served reaching your goals. Even then, you won't get anyone saved without the Bible.

Thank God for the gospel which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth.
Romans 1:20

I will use what I've got, and there's nothing wrong with logic, etc, however the scriptural gospel is necessary.

I Corinthians 15