Is it Total Depravity?
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No, but loving others is a very general term. How do we do that? The Golden Rule is very specific so that any honest person can know how to do it
I have several times. Just did. The tradition of Hillel doesn't appear until the Talmud (circa 3rd -5th century AD). The books of Matthew and Luke are the earliest written record of this compared to it.
only God is good when it comes to the natural man
Only God is inherently good but creation is declared good when in accordance with His will. Gen.1:31
As far as fallen man is concerned, his soul is neither good nor evil, the corruption dwells in the flesh. He learns good and evil and in accepting or rejecting God's grace, becomes who he follows as declared by God.
I can be a broken record too. You have explained nothing. Adam was a natural man, he certainly wasn't unnatural or supernatural, was he?
If you think the soul, which is created in the image and likeness of God is corrupt, then show us, don't simply make claims if you're not willing to back them up.
Jesus gave the parable of the good Samaritan to show us what He meant by loving others as a follow up to the lawyers question.
I still fail to see how loving others as yourself is different from treating others as you want to be treated? If you love yourself, seek the highest and best for yourself, then isn't that how you should treat others?
You need to explain why you think one rule is general and the other specific please because I can't see it.
I meant to convey that the golden rule was a long-standing rabbinical tradition that did not originate with Jesus.
Just the same, here is what I just found in a search...
Rabbi Hillel: A prominent rabbi who lived around 110-10 BCE, Hillel is famously quoted as saying, “What is hateful to you, do not do to anyone else. This is the whole law; all the rest is commentary.” This statement encapsulates the essence of the Golden Rule in a prohibitive manner.
Should we continue dwelling on this?
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The concept of total depravity states that all men are born totally depraved.
That would include you, as well, after you were born.
The belief in total depravity is not about only certain men advancing into and reaching the state of being depraved.
It is the concept that all men are totally depraved from birth.
Is the word “depravity” mentioned in the Bible? This sounds like a fleshly glorification of a self-pity type state. The world sometimes will try and glorify a temporary state “Unforgiven” for example. Im just wondering about the connection with getting a spiritual breakthrough.
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
We have a choice between good and evil.
Depravity- State of moral corruption or wickedness.
Evil- Intentional harm or wrongdoing towards others.
Depravity is not the ability to do both good and evil; it is defined as moral corruption or wickedness.
The concept, especially in a theological context like "total depravity," refers to a person's inherent inclination toward evil, not the freedom to choose between good and bad.
If we get to choose good and bad then we are not depraved.
If we are depraved how would we choose to do good and accept the truth.
If we are depraved what is the point of our sins forgiven for we are always doing evil and are corrupt.
Incapable means not having the necessary ability, competence, or strength to perform a specified act or function.
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
We are incapable of accepting the truth without God intervening in our life for the flesh will not accept it.
As far as nobody can say Jesus is the Lord but by the Holy Ghost means claiming Him as ultimate authority.
Mormons do not do this claiming Jesus and Lucifer are brothers and believing they will be like the Father.
Jehovah's Witnesses do not do this claiming Jesus is a created god.
Catholics do not do this giving authority and power to Mary and bowing down to a statue of her and calling her the Queen of heaven and calling the Pope Holy Father.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another).
Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Creation testifies there is a God and of His abilities which one of them is love for He provided food, and the means to make clothing, and shelter, and testifies of the 2 greatest laws love God and love people which loving people is the fulfilling of the law.
The people who have not heard of the word of God and Jesus can be saved if they believe in a higher power that is love, and by their conscience if they loved people and did good and asked God to forgive them if they sin and if anything is amiss for they did not have the words of God.
They cannot be with Jesus at the resurrection, and the millennial reign for they did not know Him, but if their lifestyle measures up they can be saved.
For God is a fair God and will not condemn a person if they have not heard.
If mankind is depraved how could these people be saved that have not heard of the word of God.
If mankind is depraved they probably would have devoured each other by now.
If mankind is depraved why would they accept a higher power above them.
It seems like using depraved the meaning of it is the wrong word to use.
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
We have a choice between good and evil.
Depravity- State of moral corruption or wickedness.
Evil- Intentional harm or wrongdoing towards others.
Depravity is not the ability to do both good and evil; it is defined as moral corruption or wickedness.
The concept, especially in a theological context like "total depravity," refers to a person's inherent inclination toward evil, not the freedom to choose between good and bad.
If we get to choose good and bad then we are not depraved.
If we are depraved how would we choose to do good and accept the truth.
If we are depraved what is the point of our sins forgiven for we are always doing evil and are corrupt.
Incapable means not having the necessary ability, competence, or strength to perform a specified act or function.
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
We are incapable of accepting the truth without God intervening in our life for the flesh will not accept it.
As far as nobody can say Jesus is the Lord but by the Holy Ghost means claiming Him as ultimate authority.
Mormons do not do this claiming Jesus and Lucifer are brothers and believing they will be like the Father.
Jehovah's Witnesses do not do this claiming Jesus is a created god.
Catholics do not do this giving authority and power to Mary and bowing down to a statue of her and calling her the Queen of heaven and calling the Pope Holy Father.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another).
Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Creation testifies there is a God and of His abilities which one of them is love for He provided food, and the means to make clothing, and shelter, and testifies of the 2 greatest laws love God and love people which loving people is the fulfilling of the law.
The people who have not heard of the word of God and Jesus can be saved if they believe in a higher power that is love, and by their conscience if they loved people and did good and asked God to forgive them if they sin and if anything is amiss for they did not have the words of God.
They cannot be with Jesus at the resurrection, and the millennial reign for they did not know Him, but if their lifestyle measures up they can be saved.
For God is a fair God and will not condemn a person if they have not heard.
If mankind is depraved how could these people be saved that have not heard of the word of God.
If mankind is depraved they probably would have devoured each other by now.
If mankind is depraved why would they accept a higher power above them.
It seems like using depraved the meaning of it is the wrong word to use.
https://biblehub.com/search.php?q=depravity
1 Timothy 6 v 3-5, and from 2 Corinthians 11 v 13 ~ If anyone teaches another doctrine and disagrees with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and with godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. Instead, he has an unhealthy interest in controversies and disputes about words, out of which come envy, strife, abusive talk, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind who are devoid of the truth. These men regard godliness as a means of gain. Such men are deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
Isaiah 1 v 4-5 Alas, O sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a brood of evildoers, children of depravity! They have forsaken the LORD; they have despised the Holy One of Israel and turned their backs on Him. Why do you want more beatings? Why do you keep rebelling? Your head has a massive wound, and your whole heart is afflicted.
I guess you missed the link? Here it is again:
https://biblehub.com/search.php?q=depravity
What impact? Hmmm. The difference is between believing what the Bible says, and not believing.
So they say, but since that tradition wasn't written down until centuries after Christ, it could have been adopted from Christianity's influence due to Judaism being in competition with Christianity at that time. But since there's no way we can know the truth, no, there is no point in dwelling on that particular aspect.
However, if you think it is just a Jewish tradition rather than a commandment of the lord, then yes, that needs to be addressed.
The difference is between believing the correct interpretation of what the bible says and not believing it.
lost count of the ifs in your post,
Anyhow probably not no Because God can put an even bigger thorn in your conscience that should make you have some control.
savages where very much alive and active in days of noah.
And all those savages would have had pricks in there conscience, but why did one group of savages not savage each other.
Well they would of done one day.
That's why the lord started a fresh with a lovely new rainbow
why is totally incapacitated any different to totally depraved.
Neither person can save them selves ?