Is conspiracy, 'Mark of the Beast,' an unhealthy obsession for Christians?

[Ahwatukee]

I’ve been reading into this of lately so far it appears to be spoken of in a few places here are some verses seems of the tribulation the chapter of each speak more on the tribulation it seems.

7 years tribulation then the new will be created.

Isaiah 66
…22“For just as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, will endure before Me,” declares the LORD, “so your descendants and your name will endure.

this seems similar to Job yet on a world wide scale

23From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come-to worship before Me,”says the LORD.
24“As they go forth, they will see the corpses of the men who have rebelled against Me; for their worm will never die, their fire will never be quenched, and they will be a horror to all mankind.

Ezekiel 39:9
Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel will go out, kindle fires, and burn the weapons--the bucklers and shields, the bows and arrows, the clubs and spears. For seven years they will use them for fuel.

Isaiah 34:3
Their slain will be left unburied, and the stench of their corpses will rise; the mountains will flow with their blood.

Hello JamOn!

Those scriptures above for the most part, I believe are referring to what will take place at the end of the tribulation and at the on-set of the millennial kingdom. After the tribulation period, there will be the millennial kingdom. And at the end of the millennial kingdom is when Satan will be released from the Abyss for one last rebellion, then he will be cast into the lake of fire, where the beast and the false prophet will have been thrown. And following that will be the great white thrown judgment where all of the unrighteous dead throughout all of history will be resurrected and stand to be judged for every sin they ever committed. And following that is when the new Heaven, new earth are created and the new Jerusalem comes down out of heaven from God.

 

[tanakh]

Those details will benefit the Tribulation Saints, who by faith and the power of the Holy Spirit, will understand the truth of the events of the 70th week. We make use of it in preaching warnings of the wrath to come so that some may repent and believe thereby avoiding these judgements.

According to those who buy into the Pre Trib end time interpretation the rapture supposed to happen when God has completed
his Church ie when everyone who is meant to be part of the Church is included. If so where do these supposed tribulation saints belong? Are they Jews? If so according to the belief they should be part of Israel. They cant be part of Christs body, the Church because it has already left in the rapture. Come to that the Holy Spirit according to the theory leaves the earth to make way for the AntiChrist so how is the Holy Spirit supposed to empower them? Another problem is that if the tribulation/wrath of God lasts for seven years there has to be some period when these tribulation saints encounter it because they have been left on earth but we are assured by pre tribbers that those who belong to Christ will not be around when Gods wrath is let lose. So do these belong to Christ or not?
The answer to all this is that there is no separate group going through the tribulation. The rapture happens at the one second coming of Christ in a twinkling of an eye when one living Church one body of Christ meets him in the air as he returns to earth with all those who have died in him.

 

[cv5]

According to those who buy into the Pre Trib end time interpretation the rapture supposed to happen when God has completed
his Church ie when everyone who is meant to be part of the Church is included. If so where do these supposed tribulation saints belong? Are they Jews? If so according to the belief they should be part of Israel. They cant be part of Christs body, the Church because it has already left in the rapture. Come to that the Holy Spirit according to the theory leaves the earth to make way for the AntiChrist so how is the Holy Spirit supposed to empower them? Another problem is that if the tribulation/wrath of God lasts for seven years there has to be some period when these tribulation saints encounter it because they have been left on earth but we are assured by pre tribbers that those who belong to Christ will not be around when Gods wrath is let lose. So do these belong to Christ or not?
The answer to all this is that there is no separate group going through the tribulation. The rapture happens at the one second coming of Christ in a twinkling of an eye when one living Church one body of Christ meets him in the air as he returns to earth with all those who have died in him.

See Chuck Missler on YouTube. He has nailed this issue and answers all of your questions. Trust me....the pre-trib rapture is boilerplate doctrine and is undoubtedly correct.

 

[Princesse]

There’s more than one way to skin a cat. The skinning isn’t important once you’ve broken its spine. —Ayn Rand

Religion and politics have consistently proven to be excellent avenues for indoctrination and deception. There is no way I could entertain conspiracy without scrutinizing the sources of my beliefs and its materials therein. That would be the first place I’d look. Most people blindly accept spiritual truths they would readily decry in a different guise.

 

[massorite]

There’s more than one way to skin a cat. The skinning isn’t important once you’ve broken its spine. —Ayn Rand

Religion and politics have consistently proven to be excellent avenues for indoctrination and deception. There is no way I could entertain conspiracy without scrutinizing the sources of my beliefs and its materials therein. That would be the first place I’d look. Most people blindly accept spiritual truths they would readily decry in a different guise.

Good wisdom. One should never take another person's word for it. We should always do the research and "test the spirits" to determine the truth.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

According to those who buy into the Pre Trib end time interpretation the rapture supposed to happen when God has completed
his Church ie when everyone who is meant to be part of the Church is included. 1) If so where do these supposed tribulation saints belong? 2) Are they Jews? 3) If so according to the belief they should be part of Israel. 4) They cant be part of Christs body, the Church because it has already left in the rapture. 5) Come to that the Holy Spirit according to the theory leaves the earth to make way for the AntiChrist so how is the Holy Spirit supposed to empower them? 6) Another problem is that if the tribulation/wrath of God lasts for seven years there has to be some period when these tribulation saints encounter it because they have been left on earth but we are assured by pre tribbers that those who belong to Christ will not be around when Gods wrath is let lose. So do these belong to Christ or not?
The answer to all this is that there is no separate group going through the tribulation. The rapture happens at the one second coming of Christ in a twinkling of an eye when one living Church one body of Christ meets him in the air as he returns to earth with all those who have died in him.

1) The Bible teaches us that very little people will be saved after the rapture and mankind will curse God. We can see that mentality unfolded in our everyday lives.

2) There will be Jews and Christians.

3) All the Jews form part of Israel, but not all of Israel form part of the Jews because we are also part of the one bride, Israel.

4) God divorced Israel, and the only way the groom can get married to His old bride is for Him to die. In came our King Jesus and died for us on the cross. That is why we will have to get married again, like Israel did at Sinai. So the bride is at the feast with Yeshua taking His hand in marriage.

5) God is omnipresent and as a result the Holy Spirit / Spirit of God will always be present. Even was in the OT.

6) The seven years is the seven days the bride spends with the groom in the marriage chamber.

You need to study a Hebrew marriage to understand this "picture" the Bible draw for us.

God bless my friends

 

[Dave-L]

Just like a prophecy that cannot be understood until after its fulfillment, people have ended up wearing it expecting a literal mark in the future.

 

[1christian1]

Just like a prophecy that cannot be understood until after its fulfillment, people have ended up wearing it expecting a literal mark in the future.

Some signs are literal like "when the Jews return to Zion"... This has definitely to fruition..

 

[cv5]

Some signs are literal like "when the Jews return to Zion"... This has definitely to fruition..

Not exactly....but is undoubtedly the "pre-gathering". The total fulfillment occurs after the GT.

 

[Dave-L]

Some signs are literal like "when the Jews return to Zion"... This has definitely to fruition..

The Church is Israel. The broken off Jews in Romans 11 forfeited membership in Israel.

 

[cv5]

The Church is Israel. The broken off Jews in Romans 11 forfeited membership in Israel.

Nope. That is a very easily debunked heresy, albeit a serious one.

 

[Dave-L]

Nope. That is a very easily debunked heresy, albeit a serious one.

If the broken off Jews in Romans 11 are Israel, to whom are they grafted back into if they accept Christ?

 

[GHW1776]

I would say any thing that you obsess over that isnt our father in heaven is unhealthy and wrong. We are to put God first always and in everything. Whatever pulls you away from him is unhealthy and so forth.

 

[cv5]

If the broken off Jews in Romans 11 are Israel, to whom are they grafted back into if they accept Christ?

He who has ears let him hear....

 

[Dave-L]

He who has ears let him hear....

The Pre-Trib rapture is a false doctrine only a hundred plus years old. Scripture never mentions it directly.

 

[cv5]

The Pre-Trib rapture is a false doctrine only a hundred plus years old. Scripture never mentions it directly.

You forgot that Paul teaches the pre-trib rapture. Watch the video and be perpared to walk away from that bogus Church yu have been attending.

 

[Dave-L]

You forgot that Paul teaches the pre-trib rapture. Watch the video and be perpared to walk away from that bogus Church yu have been attending.

Jesus and Paul place the rapture on the last day after the resurrection. Proof:

The rapture;

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16–17)

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Corinthians 15:51–53)


But it happens after the resurrection. Which happens on the last day

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” 1 Corinthians 15:52 (KJV 1900)


“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:28–29)

“And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.” (John 6:39)

“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day.” John 6:44 (HCSB)

“so man lies down and does not rise; until the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor arise from their sleep.” (Job 14:12) (NET)

 

[GdaxBbb]

It seems all obsessions of "knowledge" are unhealthy, granted it's good to read and be aware of the times and seasons, and have general biblical knowledge, it becomes unhealthy where that is all you care about.....

Instead of going out and living as Christ and being a servant to people, you lock yourself in your dungeon, learning about how molecules bounce off of each-other, and how particle waves reflect off of dark matter, basically the total opposite of Jesus' command of go preach the gospel and serve people.

 

[1christian1]

It seems all obsessions of "knowledge" are unhealthy, granted it's good to read and be aware of the times and seasons, and have general biblical knowledge, it becomes unhealthy where that is all you care about.....

Instead of going out and living as Christ and being a servant to people, you lock yourself in your dungeon, learning about how molecules bounce off of each-other, and how particle waves reflect off of dark matter, basically the total opposite of Jesus' command of go preach the gospel and serve people.

So you don't believe that God created all of this ? I find Everything in this universe truly amazing. One can't help but wonder about the wonder of God. By no means attempting to understand Plato or Socrates...

 

[GdaxBbb]

So you don't believe that God created all of this ? I find Everything in this universe truly amazing. One can't help but wonder about the wonder of God. By no means attempting to understand Plato or Socrates...

Don't know how you came to that conclusion, of course I do? I'm saying people who only focus on that, where literally their walk with god is gaining more "knowledge" and that's it. It's highly selfish, it satisfies self.

While neglecting the most important command of spreading the gospel, saving souls, charity, and kindness......

I'm not saying don't spend any time on it, but when it becomes an obsession and your whole Christian life for 50 years has been you gaining knowledge about gods creation for your own desire of obtaining knowledge, something is wrong.