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When you stand in front of God. You will remember our conversation. I just pray you have repented by then
Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?
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When you stand in front of God. You will remember our conversation. I just pray you have repented by then
That is the reason I teach God's word as He presents it...no change.
I am the most fundamentalist oriented Christian on this board.
For you I pray you eventually accept God's word as He presents it and what His intent is. It is common sense....don't loose track of that.
Again what does this mean: (you are avoiding my question like the plague);
Baptism is Required
Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...
John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.
KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”
John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth
.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.
Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.
Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.
Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.
Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).
Actually you’re completely wrong about that since what is written says something different:
John 3:22
22After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
John 3:26
26And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him
There are two instances above where they said Jesus was baptizing without actually saying it was His disciples who did the baptizing.
What do you say to that?
I think we should study a bit into the why people think they can disregard water baptism. This may have something to do with foundational teachings.
Is everyone believing that the example of the church in the New Testament is the most accurate example of what a church should be? If yes then they clearly taught water baptism was a requirement.
first thing I would do is study why you try to replace the baptism of God with the baptism of man, and make it a requirement for salvation. and not an act of obedience for someone who is already saved.
But none of the baptisms mentioned on the Bible are baptisms of men. Jesus said baptism saves and commanded His followers to go make disciples, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I know that’s water baptism. Because followers of Jesus cannot baptize people with the Holy Spirit.
So really everything you’re saying just doesn’t have scriptural support. You’re preaching a false gospel at this point. Do you need a reminder about what happens to people who preach a false gospel?
You need to study the OT my friend/ God demanded circumcision, and said if you were not circumcised. You hd no part with him.
Water baptism is no different
There is a baptism by the hand of God and a baptism by the hand of men
Your faith is in the one by the hand of man, Not the hand of God.
Jews made the same mistake with circumcision. Paul condemned them.
I’ve studied the Old Testament my friend, but clearly you haven’t since you seem to have no awareness what God said about water baptism and spiritual rebirth in Ezekiel.
Ezekiel 36:25-27
25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Here’s what Jesus said. Maybe now it will make more sense to you:
John 3:5
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Jews were teaching those who had been obedient to the NT commands had to comply with the OT mandate and be circumcised as well.
Clearly, disobedience of God-given covenant responsibilities mentioned in both the OT and the NT have the same result: They result in one being cut off by God. (Gen 17:14)
That is a prophecy concerning Isreal. And the clean water is the Holy Spirit
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John 3:5
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.[/QUOTE]
I was born of both water and spirit. I was born of the spirit when I did what Jesus said. I look to the cross as he was lifted up. And I recieved him in faith. Because of that, I was promised I will never perish. but have eternal life (new birth or born a second time (born again))
please d not say you have studied when you can ot even anwer my questions of Why Jesus did nto tell nicodemus to be baptised when he told him HOW to be born again.
No.
Water is different than the Spirit in John 3:5 and Ezekiel 36:25-27
When were you born of water?
Why did Jesus not mention forgiveness of sins to Nicodemus or resurrection? You're stuck in a loop where if water baptism isn't mentioned everywhere then it's irrelevant. By your logic, forgiveness of sins and resurrection are irrelevant too because they aren't mentioned in John 3. Honestly you just don't know how to read the Bible. You admitted to me in an earlier post you don't need to study, but when people talk to you about things you're quite headstrong.
Jesus told Nicodemus He needs to be born of water and Spirit. Clearly Nicodemus didn't understand that, thinking he needed a second natural birth. Nicodemus being a teacher of Israel did not even understand what Jesus was saying.
If you continue reading John, when Jesus said you must be born of water and Spirit it was foreshadowing on what Jesus would do next.
John 3:22
22After this, Jesus and His disciples went into the Judean countryside, where He spent some time with them and baptized.
You don;t get it do you?
that which is born of flesh is flesh. I was born of water on June 13th 1965.
I was born a second time (born again) sometime in the early 70's I can not remember the exact date
So Jesus tells him what must happen (you must be born of water and spirit)
but when he tells him HOW to be born again. he fails to mention the word baptism
Again, You are just missing the truth here.. If jesus meant water to be baptism
1. He would not say that which is born of the flesh (water) is flesh (first birth)
2. That which is born of spirit is spirit (new birth, second birth or born again)
3. He would have told him, Believe and be baptized.
You can deny it all you want. it does not make these words the truth
I am not worried about what happened next. I am worried about what Jesus told (or failed to tell) Nicoduemus in the conversation of HOW to be born again. what happened after this conversation does not mean a thing
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And you know what Paul said about them. snip snip
LOL!
Clearly, you are not that well acquainted with the teaching of the NT.
You don’t get it.
Jesus said you must be born again. Being born again means being born of water and Spirit. When you were “born of water” on June 13th 1965, you weren’t born again. You were born the first time. That was your natural flesh birth.
So your natural birth was not being born again of water and Spirit. Being born of water and Spirit is a spiritual rebirth… meaning it’s a second birth and it doesn’t involve a woman’s womb.
You were dead spiritually, but then you were born again of water and Spirit. Water is water baptism, Spirit is Holy Spirit baptism. That’s the clear truth that Nicodemus and many others just couldn’t understand.
John 3:5-7
5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. 7Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born again.’
You do not get it. Jesus said we must be born a second time., In order for us to be brn a second time, we must be born the first.
Jesus did not stutter. and he explained what he meant
That which is born of flesh (water) is flesh, that which is born of spirit is spirit.
2 births..
I never said it was. Once again your trying to read something into what others say that they never said. If you would take the time to look at the word and listen to them, you wuld not make this mistake.
My water birth was my first birth. My spirit birth was my SECOND.. hnce "born again or a second time)
Wrong
was born of the flesh.
I must be born of the spirit
Your whole argument is DESTROYED by the fact When Jesus told him HOW to be born again, HE NEVER MENTIONED BAPTISM.
This my last response on John 3. If you have not got it by now. you may never get it. It is in Gods hands
agreed your extra mile is over. If you change your mind and want to talk about it I’m here. Bye bye
extra mile??
You stopped talking about it honestly awhile ago. I just give up trying to explain it to you..
You are adept at recognizing major points for clarity. That is correct.
It is a challenge indeed, to achieve getting anti baptism advocates to explain their position.
Maybe any time we can get a brake through.
The many new interpretations of the Bible...since the 1960's ......is amazing but, fits with end time scriptures saying...."in the end times there will great deceptions"....they are here and more on the way, assuredly.