Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?
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My list of Unnecessary water?:
1) God Only Has ONE Baptism (Spiritual) for Today's Body Of Christ,
Under GRACE, Rightly Divided * from the TWO He had Under The Law.
2) God Is Grieved (post #1150) when man changes That ONE into TWO,
Causing all of the following (Most, but not all, claiming a
Bible position) listed Confusion:
a) believe AND be baptized {i.e. immersion to contact
their Christ's blood (baptismal regenerationists)}?
b) immersion with a symbolic interpretation? a "great"
testimony? (denominational tradition)
c) immersion ONCE in the "name of Jesus?
d) immersion THRICE in the "name of the Triune Godhead?
e) immersion {whether once or thrice} for "membership" in
their traditional assembly?
f) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into religion
washing away their original sin?
g) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into some
covenant?
h) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into their
parent's custody that they promise to raise them right?
{into Mass Confusion?}
i) sprinkling water on babies, admitting that their ritual is
UNscriptural, but "we do it anyway, because it is OUR tradition!"?
j) pouring water onto babies or adults for Whatever
traditional reason religion "can come up with"?
k) immersion of young and middle-aged women 'similar'
to worldly/ungodly 'wet t-shirt' contests?
another "great" testimony??
l) immersion Discriminates Against ALL "those who CANNOT
'obey' this ritual" ie: the hospitalized, the bedridden, the
homebound, the invalids, the traumatized, etc.
m) another water adherent claims there needs to be "speaking
in tongues," saying "in the name of jesus" is Incorrect = it needs
to be (greek) "ioesus" or is it: "isos or Ii̱soús"?
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Right Division for solving ALL of this Confusion?:
(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL:
►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄
The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =
A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
+
B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for
power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)
Prophecy/Law
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:
(2) Mystery/GRACE! =
our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:
►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄
Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians_4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; ►►► 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB! ◄◄◄)
Thus, God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, Vanquishes Satan's
multiplied CONFUSION Into Oblivion! Correct?
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Grace, Peace, And JOY In The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II).
P
Polar
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God is not bound by hypotheticals. He is bound by His own word. All will be judged by it according to Jesus in John 12:48. The scriptures below reference this truth.
On a personal note, I believe God draws people throughout their entire lives. Only to be rejected until they think death is imminent and they have no other choice. Where is the love in that?
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matt 7:21
"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" Heb 5:9
"Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him." Acts 10:34-35
God is nothing like the world. Nor should we expect Him to be. He does not give everyone a trophy whether they participate or not.
Acts 2:40-42
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine..."
The bible does however and it also makes you incorrect.repetition does not make you correct
An interesting thought came to mind earlier today that expresses the possibility that those who water baptize may be required to have the Holy Ghost dwelling within. Why? Because it was at Pentecost that both the Holy Ghost was given and repentance, and water baptism in the name of Jesus was preached and begun. Jesus' words in Luke 24:47 point to this truth.
Also, John the Baptist had the Holy Ghost dwelling in him from his mother's womb. However, when John began baptism for repentance no one knew who the messiah was. They just knew He would soon arrive on the scene. Even after Jesus was identified, no one knew He would die and resurrect. John's baptism was later modified to include the use of the name of the Lord Jesus in connection with His death, burial and resurrection. As such the believer is positioned with Jesus in His sacrifice. (Rom. 6:3-6)
Lastly, consider after telling the disciples to receive the Holy Ghost, Jesus says whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained." (John 20:23) Since it is obvious that they could not remit sins in and of themselves, Jesus' words would seem to relate to the disciples preaching the gospel and administering water baptism. (Acts 2:38, 22:16)
Don't forget....baptism is a ritual symbolizing DEATH.
We are risen to new life is by being born again by the Spirit.
Yes. John's baptism was the precursor to the baptism noted in Acts 2:38. It was identical except that in Acts 2:38, the baptism is in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Unlike John's baptism, which would require continuous repeating upon sinning, baptism into Christ is a one time event with only repentance necessary afterwards in the event of sin. Note the Ephesians were re-baptized into Christ as recorded in Acts 19 since they had only been baptized unto John's baptism. Note too, they were baptized correctly and received the gift of the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit itself, as per Acts 2:38 as does everyone, but it wasn't until after Paul laid his hands on them that they received the miraculous manifestation of the various gifts as noted, i,e.; they spoke in tongues. This demonstrates that receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, the Holy Ghost or Spirit itself, is different than receiving the miraculous gifts of the Spirit as listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10, that are enabled by or through the Spirit and are so manifested by the laying on of the apostles hands.
Luke 3:3
3And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
Acts 2:38
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Grace is seen in God's willingness to make a way for people to be saved. He did not devise it because man's good behavior warranted it. But just the opposite; He did it in spite of man's sinful nature. He established it out of His love
what does faith mean to you ? Don’t you have to hear what god said in order to know what to believe ?
Your saying “ saved by faith “
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16
doesn’t faith mean you need to believe what the lord said our salvation ?
when your equating baptism to a work of one’s self what is the basis ?
baptism is established by God not men
“The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me.”
Mark 11:30 KJV
it is God who sent John the Baptist to baptize for remission of sins if he hadn’t no one would even know anything about baptism for remission of sins
I’m not sure but just to inform you when you get baptized there isn’t any work involved for you you stand there while a preacher buried you below water and lifts you back up above the water
all you have to do to get baptized is acceptnwhat the word of God says it’s for
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38
when your saying saved by faith
to be clear faith doesn’t mean now you don’t need to believe what God said and your saved anyways
it means you heard what God said and believe it enough to step forth in it
baptism is a gift that offers a promise from God to remit your sins in Christs name
it’s sad to see people make it into something else when God has provided a perfect solution for our sins and announced that if we believe we will be saved
yes it’s like of God provides a way for us to receive all these glories and wonders but then we say “naw i do t need to hear what he said , I have faith i don’t need all that stuff he said about salvstion I’m saved by faith already it’s a better way than what Jesus said “
a drowning man prays but then God sends a boat and says “ get in “and he says no thanks I’m waiting for Gods answer I won’t need to get in any boat when he saves me
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that is quite a defense of your opinion
I am wrong, you say, so that means you are right
sounds like something a spoiled 4 year old would say just before being told to go their room
nope. LOL!
The only examples we have are in the scriptures, and therein you find that subsequent to Jesus's death, all were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. We're baptized into HIS body, and become part of HIS body which is HIS church.
According to the word, the fulness of the Godhead dwells in Jesus. That is why Peter commanded everyone to be baptized that way. Also, the apostles consistently water baptized people in the name of Jesus. The following scriptures reveal this truth. (Acts 2:36-42, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)