Is Anything Not Predestinated by God?

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Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Romans 8:29
For whom he foreknew, he also predestinated to be made conformable to the image of his Son; that he might be the firstborn amongst many brethren.
 
Predestined can be misused
God gave us all free choice to choose, God does, has not predestined Choice as I see would not be love to all if I am predestined to not choose God or choose God. How can that be love to all if that be true? Or be free choice to choose if predestined to choose?
God as I see God is love to all. I look at the book of Job, where the counselors there say to Job you are getting these troubles because you sinned against God! Job says not!
God says look at my servant Job, who is righteous to me, he will not deny me! Satan says oh, yes he will if you remove that hedge around him, Job will curse you, deny you, if got troubles. God said then let it be. We are all like a job in the book of Job

Then the book takes off, Job did not deny God, his Wife did, his children did. He did not. So go ahead and go through troubles too, go ahead and see to not deny God, and if had it is time to change your mind to God personally
 
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Yes, biblical accounts consistently state that Jesus knew Judas Iscariot would betray him, even from the beginning, viewing it as a fulfillment of scripture, though He still extended love and grace to Judas up until the very end, including washing his feet and offering him bread at the Last Supper. While Judas acted freely with a flawed, materialistic heart, Jesus's foreknowledge was part of God's plan for salvation, with Judas's choice fulfilling prophecy, as seen in John 6:64 and Matthew 26:24.
Evidence Jesus Knew:
  • John 6:64: "But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him."
  • John 13:10-11: Jesus stated, "You are clean, but not all of you... He knew the one who was betraying Him."
  • Matthew 26:24: "The Son of Man goes, even as it is written of him, but woe to that man through whom the Son of Man is betrayed!"

Jesus's Actions & Love:
  • Despite knowing, Jesus poured love and effort into Judas, washing his feet and including him in the Last Supper, demonstrating unconditional love and grace.
  • He called Judas "friend" and even identified him at the Last Supper by giving him the dipped bread.
  • Jesus allowed the betrayal to happen because it was part of God's plan for humanity's salvation, fulfilling prophecy.
Judas's Role:
  • Judas was portrayed as having a covetous nature (John 12:4-6) and being susceptible to Satan (John 13:27).
  • His betrayal, though a choice, was also seen as fulfilling specific prophecies, such as in Zechariah and Psalms.
 
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If you program robots, they will either do what you want or, if allowed, choose to go their own way. It would seem that these are the only two choices available to a creator.

The free will option requires some plan to recover some.
 
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Solitude said:
Romans 8:29
For whom he foreknew, he also predestinated to be made conformable to the image of his Son; that he might be the firstborn amongst many brethren.
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Many don't understand that God PREDESTINED all people to salvation and then provided a pathway for all people to be saved.

Just because all people do not get saved does not mean it's not God's will for all to be saved or that He has not provided salvation for all people.

The so called limited atonement claims made by the calvinists is defiantly false doctrine which they got from their father the devil.

So called calvinism is doctrines of demons
 
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DallasMan said:
Many don't understand that God PREDESTINED all people to salvation and then provided a pathway for all people to be saved.

Just because all people do not get saved does not mean it's not God's will for all to be saved or that He has not provided salvation for all people.

The so called limited atonement claims made by the calvinists is defiantly false doctrine which they got from their father the devil.

So called calvinism is doctrines of demons
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Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
 
Solitude said:
Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
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Just because some did not come to the Lord to receive the salvation He provided for all men does not prove He did not provide salvation for all men and it doesn't prove that it's not God's will that all to be saved.

Those that refuse to accept ALL the Lord says in His Word are deceived.
 
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God foreknew only those He predestinated. Is this true or false?

If this were true it would mean that God created beings he did want saved.
 
Solitude said:
Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Romans 8:29
For whom he foreknew, he also predestinated to be made conformable to the image of his Son; that he might be the firstborn amongst many brethren.
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For whom God foreknew would exercise their God-given moral free will to accept His grace
through placing non-meritorious faith in Jesus as Messiah and Lord in the human dimension,
He also predestinated to be conformed to the loving image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn
among many spiritual brethren in heaven.
SPUR (Scriptures provided upon request :^)
 
God is the creator. God loves everyone. Now, how do we get from those two observations, which are well supported by scripture, to God created some people just so they could be rejected? God, having created all humans had to know them before they were, so He clearly foreknew them.
 
If I predestinate an inheritance to my children, that is specific to whom will come into my estate. However, if I predestinate my estate as an inheritance to "all my children", it would be expedient that I define who I consider my children are so that the executor might better vet any false claims. God has done that; inheritors of His inheritance, was predestinated from the foundation of the world to all those that believe in Him that shared in their humanity in order that they would share in His inheritance.
 
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Mem said:
If I predestinate an inheritance to my children, that is specific to whom will come into my estate. However, if I predestinate my estate as an inheritance to "all my children", it would be expedient that I define who I consider my children are so that the executor might better vet any false claims. God has done that; inheritors of His inheritance, was predestinated from the foundation of the world to all those that believe in Him that shared in their humanity in order that they would share in His inheritance.
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Not everyone is a child of God.

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
 
Solitude said:
Not everyone is a child of God.

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
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God considers anyone who believes in His son to be His child. However, although some may try to "act like" his child" (the definition of hypocrite is 'actor') saying, "Lord, Lord," He knows their heart. He knows who believes in spirit and in truth, so no one can fool Him.
 
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Mem said:
God considers anyone who believes in His son to be His child. However, although some may try to "act like" his child" (the definition of hypocrite is 'actor') saying, "Lord, Lord," He knows their heart. He knows who believes in spirit and in truth, so no one can fool Him.
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Not everyone who claims to believes Jesus is telling the truth.
 
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God only accepts true love. Love is patient and kind, love does not envy or boast, it is not proud...
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Which of us can achieve true love until AFTER God perfects us, and He will only perfect those He has already accepted?

This issue touches on problems that traditional Christianity still struggles with. Which scriptures do we emphasize and how do we justify ignoring the scriptures that say something different?
 
rewriter said:
Which of us can achieve true love until AFTER God perfects us, and He will only perfect those He has already accepted?

This issue touches on problems that traditional Christianity still struggles with. Which scriptures do we emphasize and how do we justify ignoring the scriptures that say something different?
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God does not save unrepentant sinners.
 
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