In your opinion do you believe world is about 6000 years old
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שְֽׁמַֽע־נָ֞א יְהוֹשֻׁ֣עַ ׀ הַכֹּהֵ֣ן הַגָּד֗וֹל אַתָּה֙ וְרֵעֶ֙יךָ֙ הַיֹּשְׁבִ֣ים לְפָנֶ֔יךָ כִּֽי־אַנְשֵׁ֥י מוֹפֵ֖ת הֵ֑מָּה כִּֽי־הִנְנִ֥י מֵבִ֛יא אֶת־עַבְדִּ֖י צֶֽמַח׃
Hearken well, O High Priest Joshua, you and your fellow priests sitting before you! For those men are a sign that I am going to bring My servant the Branch.
Hearken well, O High Priest Joshua, you and your fellow priests sitting before you! For those men are a sign that I am going to bring My servant the Branch.
Hello cv5--Only reason I used Levi as a reference is we know how long he lived and considering Jacob and his length of life we can say most likely this was the maximum age of those who were living at the time in Egypt as lifespans keep dropping.
I used the names of those in the generational line who represented those in Egypt in Luke 3
33 the son of Ammin′adab, the son of Admin, the son of Arni, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob
I used the names of those in the generational line who represented those in Egypt in Luke 3
33 the son of Ammin′adab, the son of Admin, the son of Arni, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob
I see what your saying and ive had talks with athiests and believers on other platforms over those very issues . We must keep in mind who we are talking about , Our God is an Awesome God remember ? He doesnt need any physical material to create something, although He can" create " something out of existing material He made in the past ( He created time also ).
We cannot create anything , as an experiment try this ; Create something that never existed before and that is not related in anyway to anything God already created.
We cannot create anything , as an experiment try this ; Create something that never existed before and that is not related in anyway to anything God already created.
I follow a spiritual interpretation of the scripture.
The tree of life in the middle of the garden was Jesus Christ.
The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, represents mankind's quest. Ultimately to explain everything, to understand life and the universe. Mankind believes that the answer to our problems rests in advances in technology, medicine, science, engineering.
Genesis is filled with symbols (trees, fruit) and so is the book of Revelation.
The earth is way older than 6,000 years and there are multiple lines of evidence that support an ancient earth.
How long mankind has been on the earth is far more difficult to narrow down.
Here is a good example of a spiritual interpretation.
Deuteronomy 25:4
You shall not muzzle the ox while it is threshing.
1 Corinthians 9:8-10
I am not just asserting these things according to human judgment, am I? Or does the Law not say these things as well? For it is written in the Law of Moses: “You shall not muzzle the ox while it is threshing.” God is not concerned about oxen, is He? Or is He speaking entirely for our sake? Yes, it was written for our sake, because the plowman ought to plow in hope, and the thresher to thresh in hope of sharing in the crops.
Paul is certainly not reading the scripture in a literal sense.
The tree of life in the middle of the garden was Jesus Christ.
The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, represents mankind's quest. Ultimately to explain everything, to understand life and the universe. Mankind believes that the answer to our problems rests in advances in technology, medicine, science, engineering.
Genesis is filled with symbols (trees, fruit) and so is the book of Revelation.
The earth is way older than 6,000 years and there are multiple lines of evidence that support an ancient earth.
How long mankind has been on the earth is far more difficult to narrow down.
Here is a good example of a spiritual interpretation.
Deuteronomy 25:4
You shall not muzzle the ox while it is threshing.
1 Corinthians 9:8-10
I am not just asserting these things according to human judgment, am I? Or does the Law not say these things as well? For it is written in the Law of Moses: “You shall not muzzle the ox while it is threshing.” God is not concerned about oxen, is He? Or is He speaking entirely for our sake? Yes, it was written for our sake, because the plowman ought to plow in hope, and the thresher to thresh in hope of sharing in the crops.
Paul is certainly not reading the scripture in a literal sense.
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No they didn't say that , they refuse to believe in God but they accept that nothing created everything which is ludicrous . But yes Im hardened against atheism .
Yes i agree, God created man out of the dust of the Earth but what i mean is not from nothing but rather from God's awesome power ( think energy ) and infinite intellect ( think wisdom ).
Yes i agree, God created man out of the dust of the Earth but what i mean is not from nothing but rather from God's awesome power ( think energy ) and infinite intellect ( think wisdom ).
that's Good that your are hardened against atheism.
I can also fall in to a state of unbelief to by following traditions, or arguing with atheists, I'm certain that's why lord tells us not to argue with such.
And to honour the earth by keeping it, but to also turn are backs on it some regards.
Let it be so to speak
I see energy as light and light as energy, both a living substance as such ( not thin air)
The greater the light the greater energy.
So powerful such energy can produce Gold in a star 🙂 but only because that energy is the lords light.
I can also fall in to a state of unbelief to by following traditions, or arguing with atheists, I'm certain that's why lord tells us not to argue with such.
And to honour the earth by keeping it, but to also turn are backs on it some regards.
Let it be so to speak
I see energy as light and light as energy, both a living substance as such ( not thin air)
The greater the light the greater energy.
So powerful such energy can produce Gold in a star 🙂 but only because that energy is the lords light.
Yes , debating can be in vain but I don't like atheists spreading lies about God's creation i have to say something, especially since i'm a amateur astronomer and an EE ( retired ) i've learned a few things in my life that i hope i can use for God's glory even if only in a small way .
Debating with atheists has no effect on my faith in God , i'm hardened remember ? : )
Someone once said " We are made from star stuff " ? Too bad he left God out of the equation though .
Physicists agree that energy and matter are interchangeable but they have their own bias as to where that energy ( or matter ) came from depending on their world view .
Debating with atheists has no effect on my faith in God , i'm hardened remember ? : )
Someone once said " We are made from star stuff " ? Too bad he left God out of the equation though .
Physicists agree that energy and matter are interchangeable but they have their own bias as to where that energy ( or matter ) came from depending on their world view .
This is where scientists and physicists and atheists can use the argument to suit there agenda and push a person in a wrong direction.
I'll show you something
Zechariah 13:9 – “And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, the Lord is my God.”
As you see it's makes reference
earths foundations is a product of fire which is also a star if you can see silver and gold as part of the foundations.
I've just had a 3 day discussion about this here, I don't know what part you came in on.
I've been discussing how the earths foundation could be proven as a separate creation to earth over many many scriptures pointing in that direction, and pointing to the foundations of our earth being older than the earth.
As for earth well this is a separate matter of how old it is or how it was created.
But by all accounts there is only the understanding God created the earth at the beginning of Genesis but layed it upon the foundations.
I'll show you something
Zechariah 13:9 – “And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, the Lord is my God.”
As you see it's makes reference
earths foundations is a product of fire which is also a star if you can see silver and gold as part of the foundations.
I've just had a 3 day discussion about this here, I don't know what part you came in on.
I've been discussing how the earths foundation could be proven as a separate creation to earth over many many scriptures pointing in that direction, and pointing to the foundations of our earth being older than the earth.
As for earth well this is a separate matter of how old it is or how it was created.
But by all accounts there is only the understanding God created the earth at the beginning of Genesis but layed it upon the foundations.
Here it is. Everything you need to know regarding the absolute certainty of the 430 year sojourn. Which was 430 years to the very day.
Levi 77 years in Egypt
Kohath 133 years in Egypt
Amram 137 years in Egypt
Aaron 83 years in Egypt
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430 years total time (FOUR GENERATIONS!)
Levi 77 years in Egypt
Kohath 133 years in Egypt
Amram 137 years in Egypt
Aaron 83 years in Egypt
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430 years total time (FOUR GENERATIONS!)
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Levi 77 years in Egypt
Kohath 133 years in Egypt
Amram 137 years in Egypt
Aaron 83 years in Egypt
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430 years total time (FOUR GENERATIONS!)
Four generations of patriarchs. The sum of the TOTAL SPANS of their lives and/or length of time in Egypt is the counting methodology!
I am absolutely correct. And to presume some length of sojourn other than 430 years is......outrageous.
Kohath 133 years in Egypt
Amram 137 years in Egypt
Aaron 83 years in Egypt
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430 years total time (FOUR GENERATIONS!)
Four generations of patriarchs. The sum of the TOTAL SPANS of their lives and/or length of time in Egypt is the counting methodology!
I am absolutely correct. And to presume some length of sojourn other than 430 years is......outrageous.
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Yes if you align history and science it seems the earth is MUCH younger than previously believed.
The problem is unnatural events such as a world flood and a different atmosphere allow for incorrect formulas. For example using our current oxygen level. Did you know scientists have made ancient giant mosquitoes by doubling the oxygen? So he oxygen was much higher back then. This makes sense bc plants give off oxygen and we had such an abundance of plant life before man destroyed a lot of it.
Animals are going extinct...Not evolving. There are adaptations for survival. But there are 0 examples of 1 animal becoming another in the fossil record. In fact even young kids will tell you "how can dinosaurs turn into birds when they were reptiles." They don't. For whatever reason scientists just call every ancient unknown animal a dinosaur, but some were dinosaurs and some were birds. There are ancient pictures of dinosaurs the Inca I believe (hundreds of pictures) and they had dragon stories. Scientifically they have found dinosaur DNA. That's impossible if they're millions of years old. But like I said there's a lot of proof they're not that old.
We lose 1000s of animals and plants every year. If earth was millions of years old we wouldn't have anything left. The moon is slowly moving away from the earth at a certain speed. If earth was millions of years old the moon would be inside the earth.
Ancient Egypt would have been extremely close to the fall of man and angels. That's why they had so many giants in their pictures. They had incest to keep "the God gene" there aka fallen angels. The pyramids are aligned to the stars in a way scientists today find extremely difficult to do. Other than the fact that people were more intelligent back then (probably able to use more of their brains) they had unnatural knowledge from the fallen angels. People often discredit Christianity bc they say it'd copying ancient Egypt. But...it's actually bc the fallen angels were trying to create a heaven on earth where they were the God to be worshipped. In any case this would have to be close to the beginning of creation bc God kept trying to remove them since they were raping all our women and causing many of the genetic issues and diseases we have.
Which.... again all the diseases we have would have killed off all life in millions of years. Things get worse, not better. None the less no scientist will ever be allowed to say this. They fought the big bang theory for years bc it was too close to the story of creation. They use to believe earth had always existed and didn't have a beginning. But evolution is impossible without millions of years. Granted it's impossible with millions of years too based on observation (the scientific method for determining theories).
When I was a kid I believed in the old earth theory, dinosaurs being millions of years killed by a meteorite (even though crocodiles and other animals were fine), and evolution (people coming from apes. Even though adaptation is real. Half is true and so it's a good lie).
The problem is unnatural events such as a world flood and a different atmosphere allow for incorrect formulas. For example using our current oxygen level. Did you know scientists have made ancient giant mosquitoes by doubling the oxygen? So he oxygen was much higher back then. This makes sense bc plants give off oxygen and we had such an abundance of plant life before man destroyed a lot of it.
Animals are going extinct...Not evolving. There are adaptations for survival. But there are 0 examples of 1 animal becoming another in the fossil record. In fact even young kids will tell you "how can dinosaurs turn into birds when they were reptiles." They don't. For whatever reason scientists just call every ancient unknown animal a dinosaur, but some were dinosaurs and some were birds. There are ancient pictures of dinosaurs the Inca I believe (hundreds of pictures) and they had dragon stories. Scientifically they have found dinosaur DNA. That's impossible if they're millions of years old. But like I said there's a lot of proof they're not that old.
We lose 1000s of animals and plants every year. If earth was millions of years old we wouldn't have anything left. The moon is slowly moving away from the earth at a certain speed. If earth was millions of years old the moon would be inside the earth.
Ancient Egypt would have been extremely close to the fall of man and angels. That's why they had so many giants in their pictures. They had incest to keep "the God gene" there aka fallen angels. The pyramids are aligned to the stars in a way scientists today find extremely difficult to do. Other than the fact that people were more intelligent back then (probably able to use more of their brains) they had unnatural knowledge from the fallen angels. People often discredit Christianity bc they say it'd copying ancient Egypt. But...it's actually bc the fallen angels were trying to create a heaven on earth where they were the God to be worshipped. In any case this would have to be close to the beginning of creation bc God kept trying to remove them since they were raping all our women and causing many of the genetic issues and diseases we have.
Which.... again all the diseases we have would have killed off all life in millions of years. Things get worse, not better. None the less no scientist will ever be allowed to say this. They fought the big bang theory for years bc it was too close to the story of creation. They use to believe earth had always existed and didn't have a beginning. But evolution is impossible without millions of years. Granted it's impossible with millions of years too based on observation (the scientific method for determining theories).
When I was a kid I believed in the old earth theory, dinosaurs being millions of years killed by a meteorite (even though crocodiles and other animals were fine), and evolution (people coming from apes. Even though adaptation is real. Half is true and so it's a good lie).
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scientists claim the moon is moving away from the earth Not towards it friend 🙂
But the moon is it's only moving away from the earth at a rate of 3.8 cm a year, hardly nothing
Think about it but How could scientist have calculated if the earth was moving away from the earth 1000 years Ago.
And they don't know if it's moving away because of an orbital cycle. So it could start moving back soon
So this couldn't prove the age of the earth.
As for lack of plant life producing more or less oxygen because of lack of plant life, where do you think all the oxergen goes that has been produced by the earth upto now ?
Oxergen isn't flammable and the earths oceans soak a lot of it up
It hasn't left through some hole in space. It can only rise up so high because of atmospheric pressure that's why the further up you the less air there is 🙂
If any thing the earth is producing more oxergen because sea levels continue to rise.
When carbon molecules mix at the earths mantle drawn in by volcanoes 🙂
Plants when they burn that are full of oxergen, release there oxergen up into the air, and where there's been a fire the land will grow back a lot richer because of the potassium burning wood creates.
Plus more and more people are planting more trees then ever befor now so when they burn, again more oxergen 🙂 but the oxergen doesn't disappear
But the funny thing is we don't have huge animals or mosquitoes even tho theres clear indication there's more oxygen in the earth now than ever befor so the scientific theory of things being bigger on earth because there was once more oxergen on earth is incorrect and sent you in the wrong direction And it can not determine the age of the earth or it's foundations age.
As water levels continue to rise
Scientists now believe the earths mantle is producing water by its self,
Scientist also believe half of the earths oxergen comes from the oceans 🙂
But the moon is it's only moving away from the earth at a rate of 3.8 cm a year, hardly nothing
Think about it but How could scientist have calculated if the earth was moving away from the earth 1000 years Ago.
And they don't know if it's moving away because of an orbital cycle. So it could start moving back soon
So this couldn't prove the age of the earth.
As for lack of plant life producing more or less oxygen because of lack of plant life, where do you think all the oxergen goes that has been produced by the earth upto now ?
Oxergen isn't flammable and the earths oceans soak a lot of it up
It hasn't left through some hole in space. It can only rise up so high because of atmospheric pressure that's why the further up you the less air there is 🙂
If any thing the earth is producing more oxergen because sea levels continue to rise.
When carbon molecules mix at the earths mantle drawn in by volcanoes 🙂
Plants when they burn that are full of oxergen, release there oxergen up into the air, and where there's been a fire the land will grow back a lot richer because of the potassium burning wood creates.
Plus more and more people are planting more trees then ever befor now so when they burn, again more oxergen 🙂 but the oxergen doesn't disappear
But the funny thing is we don't have huge animals or mosquitoes even tho theres clear indication there's more oxygen in the earth now than ever befor so the scientific theory of things being bigger on earth because there was once more oxergen on earth is incorrect and sent you in the wrong direction And it can not determine the age of the earth or it's foundations age.
As water levels continue to rise
Scientists now believe the earths mantle is producing water by its self,
Scientist also believe half of the earths oxergen comes from the oceans 🙂
Archbishop Ussher: Flood of Noah ended 2348 BC......preposterous and incorrect.
Barry Setterfield: Abraham born 2322 BC......spot on and precisely correct.
(Keyword: "Barry Setterfield Abraham chronology".......and find out for your self).
Do you perceive a problem here......?
BTW......the Exodus occurred on 1603BC. The crossing occurred on the Gulf of Aqaba (NOT at what we now call the Red Sea), opposite Baal Zephon.
Barry Setterfield: Abraham born 2322 BC......spot on and precisely correct.
(Keyword: "Barry Setterfield Abraham chronology".......and find out for your self).
Do you perceive a problem here......?
BTW......the Exodus occurred on 1603BC. The crossing occurred on the Gulf of Aqaba (NOT at what we now call the Red Sea), opposite Baal Zephon.
Oh yea.......forgot to mention:
-Mt. Sinai is located in north-western Saudi Arabia. NOT in the Sinai peninsula.
-The Temple Mount is actually located in the City of David (now Israeli territory). The so-called wailing wall is actually the retaining wall for the 35 acre Antonia Fortress, upon which the Islamic Mosque complex is built.
-Mt. Sinai is located in north-western Saudi Arabia. NOT in the Sinai peninsula.
-The Temple Mount is actually located in the City of David (now Israeli territory). The so-called wailing wall is actually the retaining wall for the 35 acre Antonia Fortress, upon which the Islamic Mosque complex is built.