IN ANCIENT TIMES, THE CONSTELLATIONS WEREN'T COMMONLY PAGAN

[MyrtleTrees]

I have 2 Christian books about the constellations, written by Christians in ancient times. Before I got the books, some years ago, I hadn't realized that the constellations had any spiritual meanings from God. But now I know - interesting to know!

I won't mention them all as there are so many. But the Latin names of the original ones, still remain, and that's interesting, too. I'll mention a few that I felt were most interesting:
Virgo, means "virgin." And represents Mary, the mother of Jesus. He as a baby, is represented as "Coma."
*Aquarius - is a picture of Jesus pouring out the water of life to fishes, that represent God's people on earth through history, who have accepted God as ruler of their lives.
I realize not all accounts of the ancient meanings that various people have had, of all these various constellations agree with each other. I feel my books seem quite accurate. But it's not that important, as it's not in the Bible. But at least interesting to know and have some idea of what they originally stood for. And some of those meanings can be quite interesting!

 

[p_rehbein]

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All 48 constellation figures from Enoch depict the gospel of Jesus Christ.

The star figures in the sky form a very precise map of the heavens and display many allegories which have been preserved as Greek myths. But much more than that, the Book of Enoch states that the angel Uriel revealed them to the prophet Enoch, long before the Great Flood. When he came to understand their meaning, it records that he exclaimed,

I blessed the Lord of glory, who had made those great and splendid signs, that they might display the magnificence of his works to angels and to the souls of men; and that these might glorify all his works and operations; might see the effect of his power; might glorify the great labor of his hands; and bless him forever." — Enoch 35:3​

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If the constellation signs truly came from God, they then would be of great importance. But could the constellations really be that old? Didn't they originate with the Greeks? It turns out there are scientific ways to date the origin of the entire Greek set of star figures. There is a circle in the southern sky in which no ancient constellations are found because that area always stayed below the horizon of their author (See Figure 1). The circle of invisibility slowly moves, so its location can be used to provide a rather precise date of origin. Its position indicates that the constellations predate the ancient Greeks by some 2,000 years.[1] The origin date of about 2900 BC fits Enoch's lifetime perfectly, supporting the Book of Enoch's claim. If it is true they began with Enoch, then the study of the original set of constellations should prove to be marvelous. Indeed, they would be a testimony of God echoing to us from before the Flood.

 

[bojack]

Astronomy vs astrology .. Not quite the same imo ..
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

 

[JaumeJ]

The earliest astrology was most likely not mytical in any manner except for the occasion intervention of revelation by our Father. Astrophysics , the study of the physical aspects of the universe is strictly what may be learned of the palpable and explicable physical aspects of all that is known to man.
Astrology became more witch craft than what it was original intended to be.

The wise men calculated or perceived where the Savior was to be born in following His star, and this was by no means mystical nor witch craft although God-s Hand played in their knowing how and where to go...…...oh, and most importantly, Who would be there.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

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All 48 constellation figures from Enoch depict the gospel of Jesus Christ.

The star figures in the sky form a very precise map of the heavens and display many allegories which have been preserved as Greek myths. But much more than that, the Book of Enoch states that the angel Uriel revealed them to the prophet Enoch, long before the Great Flood. When he came to understand their meaning, it records that he exclaimed,

I blessed the Lord of glory, who had made those great and splendid signs, that they might display the magnificence of his works to angels and to the souls of men; and that these might glorify all his works and operations; might see the effect of his power; might glorify the great labor of his hands; and bless him forever." — Enoch 35:3​

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If the constellation signs truly came from God, they then would be of great importance. But could the constellations really be that old? Didn't they originate with the Greeks? It turns out there are scientific ways to date the origin of the entire Greek set of star figures. There is a circle in the southern sky in which no ancient constellations are found because that area always stayed below the horizon of their author (See Figure 1). The circle of invisibility slowly moves, so its location can be used to provide a rather precise date of origin. Its position indicates that the constellations predate the ancient Greeks by some 2,000 years.[1] The origin date of about 2900 BC fits Enoch's lifetime perfectly, supporting the Book of Enoch's claim. If it is true they began with Enoch, then the study of the original set of constellations should prove to be marvelous. Indeed, they would be a testimony of God echoing to us from before the Flood.

Yes, I think the study of it can be marvelous, as you say, and as i have also found! I don't take anything to be as trustworthy as the Bible. But if one is careful to have that priority in study of any spiritually - related subjects from the past, I see no harm from studying them. Anything like that can add interest and benefit to one's reading and studying the Bible. I mean help make the Bible more interesting in that way. Anything that helps direct our minds to be increasingly filled with God's Word, is beneficial, i think, as long as one remembers to trust God's Word above all else.

And the themes of the constellations are all good, spiritual themes to think on too. I've found verses in the Bible that refer to the constellations too, that are interesting to me to know. The constellations of the zodiac, picture the progress of God's work on the earth for humanity from the beginning of time until the Lord's return. For example, the offering of animal sacrifices, and then, finally Jesus having been sacrificed for our sins - which was the better sacrifice.

Here are a few interesting Bible verses I know that mention constellations:
Job 38:31-32

31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
KJV
Comment: "Mazzaroth" is another name for the zodiac.

Isa 27:1
27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea
KJV
Comment: I know there is a constellation that pictures that serpent too. Several of them. In one, the character - Hercules - representing Jesus, kneeling with his foot ready to crush the serpent.

Acts 7:49-50

49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
KJV
Comment: I'll look up the constellation that pictures that later. I know the constellation pictures Jesus as a king, with his foot on the North pole.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

The earliest astrology was most likely not mytical in any manner except for the occasion intervention of revelation by our Father. Astrophysics , the study of the physical aspects of the universe is strictly what may be learned of the palpable and explicable physical aspects of all that is known to man.
Astrology became more witch craft than what it was original intended to be.

The wise men calculated or perceived where the Savior was to be born in following His star, and this was by no means mystical nor witch craft although God-s Hand played in their knowing how and where to go...…...oh, and most importantly, Who would be there.

Yes, it was originally a good thing! But as so often happens in this world - wicked people change good things into things that aren't good! I can think of lots of things through history that this is true of. For example, In Old Testament times, people were to worship God through doing animal sacrifices. But the heathen chose to sacrifice animals in worship to their own gods, instead! Also, I know that in Bible times, there's mention of the fact that the heathen commonly worshiped the constellations and planets. God created those wonderful things, but it was a great sin to worship them!
Rom 1:24-25

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
KJV

 

[MyrtleTrees]

One of the Christian star books I have, said that the star the wise men followed to find Jesus - was in the Virgo constellation - it was the one that represented baby Jesus. The star is called "Coma" - which means "baby."

 

[JaumeJ]

You are right there. I used to have very long discussions with the entire astrophysics department of the U of I Champaign-Urbana, Il. It was wonderful learning about the Galaxy and dthe universe according to their studies. I have maintained BF relations with one, a retired now professor fo the subjects we would discuss. This is where I learned of Astrophysics as opposed to the then popular astrology......withcraft.

I learned of the true forgotten astrology from the Word. I wonder how the original astrologers of Israel were_ They are a lost science for certain.

 

[JaumeJ]

One of the Christian star books I have, said that the star the wise men followed to find Jesus - was in the Virgo constellation - it was the one that represented baby Jesus. The star is called "Coma" - which means "baby."

Not certain, but I have always gone back to the declaration of the Word that they are for signs and seasns. Because of this I believe His Star was put there only for Him by the Father, but then I am partial to His power..

 

[bojack]

One of the Christian star books I have, said that the star the wise men followed to find Jesus - was in the Virgo constellation - it was the one that represented baby Jesus. The star is called "Coma" - which means "baby."

Could be but I think the star was supernatural and more localized .. Herod had all male children 2 and under killed after he found out when the star first appeared to them .. Since stars move in constellations except for the north star that means to me they would probably been going in circles .. jus sayin ..

 

[MyrtleTrees]

Astronomy vs astrology .. Not quite the same imo ..
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights

Could be but I think the star was supernatural and more localized .. Herod had all male children 2 and under killed after he found out when the star first appeared to them .. Since stars move in constellations except for the north star that means to me they would probably been going in circles .. jus sayin ..

n the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

Yes they are two different things, as you say! I just now looked in Wikipedia on the subject of astrology. It said, "Astrology is a pseudoscience that claims to divine information about human affairs and terrestrial events by studying the movements and relative positions of celestial objects."
So according to that, there is no form of astrology that is good.
It's true that the heavens move with time - that's what at least one of the books said. And it said that the Coma one was showing in that area where they lived, and led to Bethlehem, at just the right time to show the wise men how to find Jesus. So maybe that's correct. Though of course, God could have supernaturally led them along with a star, or etc. God has done many great miracles throughout the Bible, I know - so is able to do miracles any time He wants to.

 

[bojack]

Yes they are two different things, as you say! I just now looked in Wikipedia on the subject of astrology. It said, "Astrology is a pseudoscience that claims to divine information about human affairs and terrestrial events by studying the movements and relative positions of celestial objects."
So according to that, there is no form of astrology that is good.
It's true that the heavens move with time - that's what at least one of the books said. And it said that the Coma one was showing in that area where they lived, and led to Bethlehem, at just the right time to show the wise men how to find Jesus. So maybe that's correct. Though of course, God could have supernaturally led them along with a star, or etc. God has done many great miracles throughout the Bible, I know - so is able to do miracles any time He wants to.

God lead the Hebrews with a pillar of fire and a cloud

 

[Prycejosh1987]

I have 2 Christian books about the constellations, written by Christians in ancient times. Before I got the books, some years ago, I hadn't realized that the constellations had any spiritual meanings from God. But now I know - interesting to know!

I won't mention them all as there are so many. But the Latin names of the original ones, still remain, and that's interesting, too. I'll mention a few that I felt were most interesting:
Virgo, means "virgin." And represents Mary, the mother of Jesus. He as a baby, is represented as "Coma."
*Aquarius - is a picture of Jesus pouring out the water of life to fishes, that represent God's people on earth through history, who have accepted God as ruler of their lives.
I realize not all accounts of the ancient meanings that various people have had, of all these various constellations agree with each other. I feel my books seem quite accurate. But it's not that important, as it's not in the Bible. But at least interesting to know and have some idea of what they originally stood for. And some of those meanings can be quite interesting!

I think you should be careful, and watch out, because the devil can use this insight into encouraging you to start reading horoscopes and also leaving the faith, what you currently believe in. Looking at constellations can give the devil a open door to eventually forcing you to start being interested in the dark arts. Personally i dont believe that star signs are always true, they can hold some truth, but God does not like these things and you should not either. The holy spirit doesnt encourage believers to read horoscopes.

 

[SoulWeaver]

One of the Christian star books I have, said that the star the wise men followed to find Jesus - was in the Virgo constellation - it was the one that represented baby Jesus. The star is called "Coma" - which means "baby."

Wow, that is amazing. Thank you for sharing.
I also believe the stars were clustered to tell the story of God's plan in their own ways. That's not like vain astrological attempts to predict the future, nor superstitions, it's more like a token of promise.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

Wow, that is amazing. Thank you for sharing.
I also believe the stars were clustered to tell the story of God's plan in their own ways. That's not like vain astrological attempts to predict the future, nor superstitions, it's more like a token of promise.

Yes, I agree - that's how it looks to me!