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What does my Bible mean when it says for the wages of sin is death and when sin is full grown we die? Does this mean if we continue without the atonement of Christ or for all of us. For example a Christian gets murdered. Was it sin of this cause or dying for are faith as a mortar? Can't wrap my head around it and I'm confused.
 
In the field of Neural Plasticity it is known every thought we have creates a protein like structure in the brain in response to whether it is a whole. moral, Godly thought or a faulty protein like structure if it is a thought inverse to Galatians c5, v 22&23.
That is a way sin can enter and thus sickness, disease, lack, accidents, anything that is love, joy, peace, etc.
blessings
 
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In the field of Neural Plasticity it is known every thought we have creates a protein like structure in the brain in response to whether it is a whole. moral, Godly thought or a faulty protein like structure if it is a thought inverse to Galatians c5, v 22&23.
That is a way sin can enter and thus sickness, disease, lack, accidents, anything that is love, joy, peace, etc.
blessings
Thanks
 
Hello @Mwestton, here are a couple of short articles (which are typically 3- 5 minutes long) that address and answer your questions. The article about the verse from Romans 6 includes a video, so you can watch, listen and/or read the article as the text is the same, just FYI.

Romans 6:23
James 1:15

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy (David)
p.s. - Bible Hub is an excellent/helpful online resource as well. See
Romans 6:23 and James 1:15. Both sites are excellent sources to get answers to your theological questions (or, at least, as a place to begin :)).

I hope to return later to discuss some of this with you (Dv), but for now, I've gotta run.
 
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Many misled Christians would tell you that the wages of sin sent you into a fiery hell for eternity. That teaching has twisted the true meaning of the word hell.
 
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Hello @Mwestton, here are a couple of short articles (which are typically 3- 5 minutes long) that address and answer your questions. The article about the verse from Romans 6 includes a video, so you can watch, listen and/or read the article as the text is the same, just FYI.

Romans 6:23
James 1:15

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy (David)
p.s. - Bible Hub is an excellent/helpful online resource as well. See
Romans 6:23 and James 1:15. Both sites are excellent sources to get answers to your theological questions (or, at least, as a place to begin :)).

I hope to return later to discuss some of this with you (Dv), but for now, I've gotta run.
I recommend staying away from gotq. Tons of misinformation there. I've had to straighten them out several times. I was amazed they 'saw the truth'.
 
Hello @Mwestton, here are a couple of short articles (which are typically 3- 5 minutes long) that address and answer your questions. The article about the verse from Romans 6 includes a video, so you can watch, listen and/or read the article as the text is the same, just FYI.


God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy (David)
p.s. - Bible Hub is an excellent/helpful online resource as well. See
Romans 6:23 and James 1:15.

I hope to return later to discuss some of this with you (Dv), but for now, I've gotta run.
I have Bible hub. Ok. I have got questions. K. Just hard to find an
I recommend staying away from gotq. Tons of misinformation there. I've had to straighten them out several times. I was amazed they 'saw the truth'.
Ok. Got questions. I don't do much. Thanks. I will take that advice.
 
Many misled Christians would tell you that the wages of sin sent you into a fiery hell for eternity. That teaching has twisted the true meaning of the word hell.
Hmmm. I know Jesus was and is my only sacrifice for my sin. I was asking the question about sin and found my answer James 1:15. How sin leads us closer to death. That was my concern. I understand what hell is biblically. It has many names. The pit, eternal darkness,lake of fire. I do believe if we don't repent and we think grace will save us we are dead wrong. He is faithful to forgive and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. No excuse at the judgement seat to continue. Faith formula. Admit, repent, receive, believe. Thanks for the advice though.
 
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What does my Bible mean when it says for the wages of sin is death and when sin is full grown we die? Does this mean if we continue without the atonement of Christ or for all of us. For example a Christian gets murdered. Was it sin of this cause or dying for are faith as a mortar? Can't wrap my head around it and I'm confused.

Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation( does not sin): for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life( eternal life), which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death( unless the sin is forgiven).

The wages of sin is death means we will not have eternal life being with God because we are separated from Him.

Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

It has nothing to do with physical death but spiritual death which the wicked are twice dead, physically and spiritually, which the wages of sin is spiritual death.

If we do not have our sins forgiven then we will have spiritual death.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

A Spirit led person will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh which means they have the power to abstain from sin.

So there is no excuse.

They are not under the law for their sins are forgiven, and they are abstaining from sin, therefore the law cannot touch them for prosecution.

If a persons hold on to sin there is no more sacrifice for sins which means the blood of Christ cannot wash it away for God will not take away a sin they hold on to.

Some have a form of godliness but they deny the Spirit leading them and enjoy sin thinking they have salvation, and never come to the truth.

These people are still under the law which will prosecute them for they will not let go of sin.

Which Jesus will say He never knew them for they were workers of iniquity.

This is a big problem among many people who claim to be a Christian that they hold on to sin but think they have salvation.
 
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I recommend staying away from gotq. Tons of misinformation there. I've had to straighten them out several times. I was amazed they 'saw the truth'.
Hello Madman, et al, I look at GotQuestions.org as a place to get a quick answer or as a place to begin a more in-depth study of a topic or a passage, etc.

I use them/recommend them to others regularly, but I have never noticed "tons of misinformation" there (or even a little bit of it). If there was, I wouldn't use them/recommend them to others.

The answers they give tend to hang pretty close to beliefs that are typically associated with Christian orthodoxy (particularly Protestant beliefs).

If you could, please post a few examples of the GotQuestions.org's articles that you believe contain misinformation so that we can see it for ourselves.

Thanks :)

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy (David)
 
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What does my Bible mean when it says for the wages of sin is death and when sin is full grown we die? Does this mean if we continue without the atonement of Christ or for all of us. For example a Christian gets murdered. Was it sin of this cause or dying for are faith as a mortar? Can't wrap my head around it and I'm confused.
This verse is not meant for the believer in Christ it is meant for the unbeliever.
When you get to the gates of heaven there will be two people there threee actually God the father Jesus and the devil.

The devil will accuse you of every sin you ever made every bad or evil thought every lie you ever spoke every flaw you have Jesus will be holding a book in his hands and this book will be about you and your life and do you know what he is going to say? he is going to look at you and say I have forgotten all of these and now my child enter into my kingdom.

Because you have placed your faith on the cross and in Jesus that book is going to be blank of all sin all that will be in there is all the times you prayed all the times you did good deeds all the times you chose to trust in God

So do not let the enemies lies fool you with this verse because even the devil knows the word of God by heart and he will if possible try to use it to condemn you or confuse you
 
Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 25:46
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 
Hello Madman, et al, I look at GotQuestions.org as a place to get a quick answer or as a place to begin a more in-depth study of a topic or a passage, etc.

I use them/recommend them to others regularly, but I have never noticed "tons of misinformation" there (or even a little bit of it). If there was, I wouldn't use them/recommend them to others.

The answers they give tend to hang pretty close to beliefs that are typically associated with Christian orthodoxy (particularly Protestant beliefs).

If you could, please post a few examples of the GotQuestions.org's articles that you believe contain misinformation so that we can see it for ourselves.

Thanks :)

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy (David)
 
Many misled Christians would tell you that the wages of sin sent you into a fiery hell for eternity. That teaching has twisted the true meaning of the word hell.
Hello again Madman, could you elaborate a bit for us about this (for instance, what do you believe the true meaning of the word that we transliterate as "Geenna"/translate as "Hell/Gehenna" is in the Bible :unsure: e.g. Matthew 5:22).

Thanks again :)

~Deuteronomy

Matthew 5 (NASB 95')
21 “You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’
22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell" (literally "Gehenna of fire" in this case; "hell fire" in the KJV)
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Ok,

I just went to their site and they have improved tremendously over the years. I haven't been there in probably 10 + years. I did use them back then but did call them out on things and they've done right. On many controversial issues they've taken the middle-road .g
Hello again Madman, could you elaborate a bit for us about this (for instance, what do you believe the true meaning of the word that we transliterate as "Geenna"/translate as "Hell/Gehenna" is in the Bible :unsure: e.g. Matthew 5:22).

Thanks again :)

~Deuteronomy

Matthew 5 (NASB 95')
21 “You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’
22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell" (literally "Gehenna of fire" in this case; "hell fire" in the KJV)
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The word hell is not found in the earliest manuscripts of the bible. It was added, mostly by TRINITARIAN translators. It was, in my view, an attempt to scare people into salvation. Even so, both the NEW and Old Testament word means the GRAVE.

The word means three things.
TARTARUS - A word seldom used to indicate a prison - A PLACE FOR 'FALLEN ANGELS.

SHEOL - Old Testament word for GRAVE. HADES New Testament for grave.

And GEHENNA - a literal garbage dump that's burned. Hell is actually fabricated nonsense.
 
Ok,

I just went to their site and they have improved tremendously over the years. I haven't been there in probably 10 + years. I did use them back then but did call them out on things and they've done right. On many controversial issues they've taken the middle-road .g

The word hell is not found in the earliest manuscripts of the bible. It was added, mostly by TRINITARIAN translators. It was, in my view, an attempt to scare people into salvation. Even so, both the NEW and Old Testament word means the GRAVE.

The word means three things.
TARTARUS - A word seldom used to indicate a prison - A PLACE FOR 'FALLEN ANGELS.

SHEOL - Old Testament word for GRAVE. HADES New Testament for grave.

And GEHENNA - a literal garbage dump that's burned. Hell is actually fabricated nonsense.


Do you believe Jesus meant temporary fire for the devil and his angels in verse 41?

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


And do you believe Jesus meant temporary punishment in verse 46?

Matthew 25:46
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 
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The word hell is not found in the earliest manuscripts of the bible. It was added, mostly by TRINITARIAN translators. It was, in my view, an attempt to scare people into salvation. Even so, both the NEW and Old Testament word means the GRAVE.
"TRINITARIAN translators" :unsure:

Which Bibles/Bible translation teams have included non-Trinitarian linguists over the years :unsure:

Outside of the JW's and their New World Bible, I can't think of any.

Thanks!

~Deuteronomy
 
What does my Bible mean when it says for the wages of sin is death and when sin is full grown we die? Does this mean if we continue without the atonement of Christ or for all of us. For example a Christian gets murdered. Was it sin of this cause or dying for are faith as a mortar? Can't wrap my head around it and I'm confused.

Your question is very difficult to understand because you linked two different verses from two different writers into one sentence. These two verses are not discussing the same thing within the context of each writers letter. So, let's break it down:

Rom 6:20 For when ye were servants of sin, ( This is every person who has ever been naturally born into this world. We are all born sinners because Adam fell in sin in the Garden and the whole human race is from his seed. Therefore, the human race fell in him.) ye were free in regard of righteousness. ( In other words, you did not care about God's righteousness. )
Rom 6:21 What fruit then had ye at that time in the things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. ( We were incapable of bringing forth good fruit. Fruit is a common word used within the Bible for expressing ones visible actions. Whether they be deeds, speech or personal interactions. All of our fruit was worthy of death. Why? Because they were sin against a thrice Holy God and broke his moral commandments. [ Rom. 1:18-25; 3:9-20 ])
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin and become servants to God, ( Being made free of sin's curse, which is death - both physical and spiritual - by God's grace and calling, we are able to walk with Him, our Lord and Savior as His servants. ) ye now have your fruit unto sanctification, and the end eternal life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord
( In this verse, the writer contrasts "sin" with the "free gift" Sin - both original sin and our committed sins = Death. The Free Gift = Eternal life. When Adam fell in the Garden, his sin against God brought about death unto all mankind. Before then there was no death but now, because of the "fall", all of Adams seed are equally guilty, even if a person did not commit sin. This is why Jesus Christ required a virgin birth. He could have no connection to the seed of Adam. ) .

Now let's examine the other part from your question:


James 1:14 but each man is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed. ( James here, is saying that we are tempted by our own inward "lust" or "desires" for something we either want to do or desire to have. Why? Because we are enticed by it. )
James 1:15 Then the lust, when it hath conceived,
( Unrighteous desires form first in the mind. Just a quick thought perhaps but then our minds can't let it go. Our minds begin to bring purpose to the thought and as it continues to grow, we are about to bring forth a sinful desire. ) brings forth sin: ( Brings forth a fully developed sinful desire and plan. If not corrected at this point it will lead to an act of sin. ) and the sin, when it is full-grown, ( Now that the sin has reached the end of the mental process and has "matured", "finished", become "fully-grown", it leads us into a physical act of sin, which violates God's moral Law; thus, bringing about the need for death as the only acceptable punishment for sin. ) brings forth death. ( This does not mean it brings about a persons death when they commit the sin - for Adam did not die physically in the Garden when he committed sin but he did die spiritually and would now die physically sometime in the future. So also with all of his seed. Every person will die physically, at God's appointed time because flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. )

I hope this helps you. There are many things I discussed here that could be greatly expanded upon but hopefully this is enough to point you in a direction.
 
For example a Christian gets murdered. Was it sin of this cause or dying for are faith as a mortar? Can't wrap my head around it and I'm confused.
When a person is murdered, it is because someone made the conscious decision to end someone's else physical existence.

Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof. Prov 18:21
 
What does my Bible mean when it says for the wages of sin is death and when sin is full grown we die? Does this mean if we continue without the atonement of Christ or for all of us. For example a Christian gets murdered. Was it sin of this cause or dying for are faith as a mortar? Can't wrap my head around it and I'm confused.
Some people told Jesus about a very similar situation:

“There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other]Galileans, because they suffered such things? “I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. “Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? “I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”” (Lu 13:1-5 NKJV)

By the way, what is "faith as a mortar?" Did you perhaps mean, "faith as a martyr?"
 
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