Ill Gotten Gains

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Genipher

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I've been having an online discussion with folks about that woman who was on Only Fans and then quit and became a Christian.
I've been trying to make the point that if she was truly repentant, she'd be donating or somehow ridding herself of the 9 million she made through her sin. I would think a new Christian, on fire for God, would want to distance herself from her life of sin. That the money would be a dark reminder of her past?

She says she's "giving it all up for Christ" and yet, not a word about giving up the money.

Anyway, I'm looking at the rich man, who refused to give up his wealth for Jesus vs Zacchaeus, who gave back 4x what he cheated out of people and gave up half his possessions to the poor, after being convicted of his sin.

Is there a Biblical precedent for money obtained through sin?

Shouldn't a Christian feel...gross...about keeping money earned in the way she earned it?

I can't help but think that it makes her look like she's just trying to find another venue for fame, using Christianity to stay relevant. It's hard to see her as sincere.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/onlyfans-model-quits-after-finding-jesus-gets-baptized.html

https://churchleaders.com/news/4747...-star-nala-ray-declares-faith-in-jesus.html/2
 
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I don't agree she needs to give up her money. And Jesus asked the rich man to give up his money, not because he was rich, but because money was basically his idol.
Also of she's newly saved she needs time to learn. It seems people expect too much out of newly saved people. All the times I've seen people say a newly saved person should "just know" to do this, feel this way, not do that, etc... it's insane. Growth is a process. Not everyone who gets saved immediately changes everything wrong in their life. Why should she be any different? Even Christians who have long been saved still struggle with sin.
Will she, one day, feel moved to get rid of her money? That's between her and God and Nobody Else. And God will prompt that on His time, not ours.

As for judging her and accusing her of basically trying to scam Christians, with zero evidence, I'll pass. She may he saved. She may not. Her roots could be shallow, or strong. Only time will tell.
But I will say if she's made $9 million off of OF, which apparently most on there make very little money actually, then she must have been at the top of the heap. Why someone leaving at the top of their game and making tons of money, quits to fake being a Christian, is not something I have even a clue about. Numerous sex workers of various kinds, some even popular, have left the field after being saved. None of them are rich from it. No reason for her to think she'll be any different.
 
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Genipher said:
Is there a Biblical precedent for money obtained through sin?
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Zacchaeus: "Then Zacchaeus stood and said to the Lord, 'Look, Lord, I give half of my goods to the poor; and if I have taken anything from anyone by false accusation, I restore fourfold.' And Jesus said to him, 'Today salvation has come to this house, because he also is a son of Abraham;' " Luke 19:8-9
 
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Genipher said:
I've been having an online discussion with folks about that woman who was on Only Fans and then quit and became a Christian.
I've been trying to make the point that if she was truly repentant, she'd be donating or somehow ridding herself of the 9 million she made through her sin. I would think a new Christian, on fire for God, would want to distance herself from her life of sin. That the money would be a dark reminder of her past?

She says she's "giving it all up for Christ" and yet, not a word about giving up the money.

Anyway, I'm looking at the rich man, who refused to give up his wealth for Jesus vs Zacchaeus, who gave back 4x what he cheated out of people and gave up half his possessions to the poor, after being convicted of his sin.

Is there a Biblical precedent for money obtained through sin?

Shouldn't a Christian feel...gross...about keeping money earned in the way she earned it?

I can't help but think that it makes her look like she's just trying to find another venue for fame, using Christianity to stay relevant. It's hard to see her as sincere.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/onlyfans-model-quits-after-finding-jesus-gets-baptized.html

https://churchleaders.com/news/4747...-star-nala-ray-declares-faith-in-jesus.html/2
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You come across as judgemental. You know very little about the woman. Yet you are making judgements based on speculation. She is God's problem now. Who are you to judge the servant of another? (Romans 14:4)
 
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Is she not forgiven unless she gives away her money?
The lady that anointed Jesus' feet with the perfume, how did she get the money to buy that? Judas opined that she wasted her money putting it on Jesus' feet, and tried to tell her what he should've done with it, js.
 
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Genipher said:
I've been having an online discussion with folks about that woman who was on Only Fans and then quit and became a Christian.
I've been trying to make the point that if she was truly repentant, she'd be donating or somehow ridding herself of the 9 million she made through her sin. I would think a new Christian, on fire for God, would want to distance herself from her life of sin. That the money would be a dark reminder of her past?

She says she's "giving it all up for Christ" and yet, not a word about giving up the money.

Anyway, I'm looking at the rich man, who refused to give up his wealth for Jesus vs Zacchaeus, who gave back 4x what he cheated out of people and gave up half his possessions to the poor, after being convicted of his sin.

Is there a Biblical precedent for money obtained through sin?

Shouldn't a Christian feel...gross...about keeping money earned in the way she earned it?

I can't help but think that it makes her look like she's just trying to find another venue for fame, using Christianity to stay relevant. It's hard to see her as sincere.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/onlyfans-model-quits-after-finding-jesus-gets-baptized.html

https://churchleaders.com/news/4747...-star-nala-ray-declares-faith-in-jesus.html/2
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I hope she is genuine. I wouldn't say she has to give up the money, but use it for good.
 
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Mem said:
Is she not forgiven unless she gives away her money?
The lady that anointed Jesus' feet with the perfume, how did she get the money to buy that? Judas opined that she wasted her money putting it on Jesus' feet, and tried to tell her what he should've done with it, js.
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yeh ... how did she get the money for that ? ...
 
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Genipher said:
I've been having an online discussion with folks about that woman who was on Only Fans and then quit and became a Christian.
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@Genipher, it's really none of your or my business what she does with her money. She's found Christ and her sines are forgiven.

If I made a millions in some loathsome business enterprise and then came to Christ, I really don't know what I'd do with it all, but I'm pretty sure I'd keep enough to provide for myself and my family at the very least.

She's a new Christian now and we don't become mature Christians overnight, at least not in most cases. Sanctification is something we experience over our lifetime.
 
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If she uses her money for the cause of Christ - or, helps people, etc. - "does good with it" - I don't see a problem with that...
 
Genipher

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Gideon300 said:
You come across as judgemental. You know very little about the woman. Yet you are making judgements based on speculation. She is God's problem now. Who are you to judge the servant of another? (Romans 14:4)
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Who is she the servant of?
And yes, I realize I'm judging. We're allowed to judge. We can see people's fruits. I'm pretty sure Paul was judged and distrusted by many after his conversion until they realized he was sincere.
 
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Genipher said:
Who is she the servant of?
And yes, I realize I'm judging. We're allowed to judge. We can see people's fruits. I'm pretty sure Paul was judged and distrusted by many after his conversion until they realized he was sincere.
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People had good reason to be suspicious of Paul. And they were entirely wrong. Do you need to make the same mistake? Really?
 
Genipher

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Gideon300 said:
People had good reason to be suspicious of Paul. And they were entirely wrong. Do you need to make the same mistake? Really?
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We have no reason to be suspicious of this woman? Who conveniently converted AFTER making her millions? Okaaay.
 
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Genipher said:
We have no reason to be suspicious of this woman? Who conveniently converted AFTER making her millions? Okaaay.
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I think it is wise to reserve judgement especially when people go on the talk circuit and really cannot clearly articulate the Gospel, aside from "I gave my life to Christ."
 
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Genipher said:
I've been having an online discussion with folks about that woman who was on Only Fans and then quit and became a Christian.
I've been trying to make the point that if she was truly repentant, she'd be donating or somehow ridding herself of the 9 million she made through her sin. I would think a new Christian, on fire for God, would want to distance herself from her life of sin. That the money would be a dark reminder of her past?

She says she's "giving it all up for Christ" and yet, not a word about giving up the money.

Anyway, I'm looking at the rich man, who refused to give up his wealth for Jesus vs Zacchaeus, who gave back 4x what he cheated out of people and gave up half his possessions to the poor, after being convicted of his sin.

Is there a Biblical precedent for money obtained through sin?

Shouldn't a Christian feel...gross...about keeping money earned in the way she earned it?

I can't help but think that it makes her look like she's just trying to find another venue for fame, using Christianity to stay relevant. It's hard to see her as sincere.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/onlyfans-model-quits-after-finding-jesus-gets-baptized.html

https://churchleaders.com/news/4747...-star-nala-ray-declares-faith-in-jesus.html/2
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Psalms 66:18 & 15:5, study.
 
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Genipher said:
We have no reason to be suspicious of this woman? Who conveniently converted AFTER making her millions? Okaaay.
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Presumably you doubt Zaccheus and Lydia. After all, there is no record that Zac did what he promised that he would. Lydia was rich because she traded in purple cloth, a luxury item reserved for nobility. There is no record of what she did with her wealth after she was saved.

There is a difference between judgement as in discerning the truth and being judgemental. You have crossed the line. All you have is suspicion and no evidence. There are many Christians in the entertainment industry. Those at the top are very well paid. Do you doubt the salvation of them also? Do you doubt Denzel Washington, for example?
 
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